Talking Footy

Raiderdave wrote:

lets asses shall we

the VFL ... 1.253 Billion FTA .. Pay ... Online
150 Million contra

1.1 Billion in cash
minus 250 Million to set up 2 new sides & sustain them for the 5 year period of this deal ...
leaving them 850 Million cash for all other forms of spending for development & growth .. club grants ( paying the salary cap for its clubs etc ) ova the 5 years

NRL ... 1.205 Billion FTA , Pay ... online ( I've taken out 25 Million for naming rights as I'd say this is the component in the new telstra deal )
100 Million contra
1.105 Billion in cash

leaving them .... .. well ... every cent of this .... for all other forms of spending for development & growth .. club grants ( paying the salary cap for its clubs etc ) ova the 5 years


255 million more ... in disposable cash
F me
wot a hammering .............

The_Wookie wrote:

wait so we get to add on the Toyota naming rights for the AFL too now right? gotta be apples with apples...thats more than 10 million per season according to the Heraldsun - in 2008 mind you, and that deal is ongoing., so we can tack on aother 50 million for the AFL right - and we should have done that for 2007-2011 as well just so we stay on the even keel here as it were.

and clarification on the Telstra deal it does indeed seem to include new media as well as naming rights - the slight increase to 100 million from 90 million may be a result of Fox taking IPTV rights for its 5 matches. However NO ONE is reporting over 100 million for NZ rights, it seems to be common knowledge that the NZ broadcaster doesnt want to pay more than it is already (14 million per year), and 100 million is the most optimistic guess Ive seen anywhere.

The_Wookie wrote:

Xman wrote:

eelofwest wrote:

Yes but take into account the AFL are funding expansion of 220m over 5 years with the deal they have and we smash you guys to bits.

NRL 1.225m

AFL 1.033M

Now that is a slaughter... =D> =D>

So the NRL arent spending any?

What about their own futures fund? Increased grants to all clubs?

Face it, even with NZ thrown in the NRLs deal is worth less irrespective of what each code chooses to spend their money on.

Just on this - and I havent troubled myself to read the whole thread

Im almost certain there is a bit of a deal at the moment where the rugby league players union are concerned they arent getting their mites out of the future fund. The Commission has set aside $225 million for the NRL future fund - done specifically with the amount set aside by the AFL in mind.

The Telstra deal as reported today includes a 5 year extension of the 15 million a year naming rights deal, meaning that Telstras mobile and 3 game IPTV deal would be worth $5 million a year or 25 mllion in total (as opposed to the 155 million paid to the AFL). The NZ deal has been reported as having an upper likelihood of 100 million (as opposed to the pennies if anything that the AFL get for them), radio rights will add 2 million according to Roy Masters (as opposed to the 23.2 million paid to the AFL). The known - but as yet not completely finalised version of the nrls media rights is worth 1.025 billion (+ a possible 30 million for an extra thursday game apparently paid for by Channel 9, kept secret from Foxtel, and not in the heads of agreement signed in August). With that in mind, and based on presently reported figures if they signed as they are:

NRL total: 1.152 Billion (includes Origin and 4 nations, Toyota Cup, NSW Cup, QLD Cup, NSW Schoolboys Cup, Premiership season, City v Country, Anzac test, Anzac Day match, + 2 hours of rugby league content on a 9 digital channel per day)
AFL Total: 1.272 Billion (includes Foxtel Cup, UNder 18s Championship, Premiership Season, NAB Cup, International Rules).

eelofwest wrote:

The_Wookie wrote:

Xman wrote:

So the NRL arent spending any?

What about their own futures fund? Increased grants to all clubs?

Face it, even with NZ thrown in the NRLs deal is worth less irrespective of what each code chooses to spend their money on.

Just on this - and I havent troubled myself to read the whole thread

Im almost certain there is a bit of a deal at the moment where the rugby league players union are concerned they arent getting their mites out of the future fund. The Commission has set aside $225 million for the NRL future fund - done specifically with the amount set aside by the AFL in mind.

The Telstra deal as reported today includes a 5 year extension of the 15 million a year naming rights deal, meaning that Telstras mobile and 3 game IPTV deal would be worth $5 million a year or 25 mllion in total (as opposed to the 155 million paid to the AFL). The NZ deal has been reported as having an upper likelihood of 100 million (as opposed to the pennies if anything that the AFL get for them), radio rights will add 2 million according to Roy Masters (as opposed to the 23.2 million paid to the AFL). The known - but as yet not completely finalised version of the nrls media rights is worth 1.025 billion (+ a possible 30 million for an extra thursday game apparently paid for by Channel 9, kept secret from Foxtel, and not in the heads of agreement signed in August). With that in mind, and based on presently reported figures if they signed as they are:

NRL total: 1.152 Billion (includes Origin and 4 nations, Toyota Cup, NSW Cup, QLD Cup, NSW Schoolboys Cup, Premiership season, City v Country, Anzac test, Anzac Day match, + 2 hours of rugby league content on a 9 digital channel per day)
AFL Total: 1.272 Billion (includes Foxtel Cup, UNder 18s Championship, Premiership Season, NAB Cup, International Rules).

You are spot on Wookie, but if you take away the fact that the AFL has got the money they have through expansion with 2 new teams then you would have to add the amount of money these 2 teams are costing the AFL over the 5 year period which is in the vicinity of 220m over 5 years.

So it looks more like this.

NRL total: 1.152 Billion (includes Origin and 4 nations, Toyota Cup, NSW Cup, QLD Cup, NSW Schoolboys Cup, Premiership season, City v Country, Anzac test, Anzac Day match, + 2 hours of rugby league content on a 9 digital channel per day)

AFL Total: 1.272 Billion (includes Foxtel Cup, UNder 18s Championship, Premiership Season, NAB Cup, International Rules). now take away the Cost of expansion
AFL Total: 1.050 Billion

The_Wookie wrote:

wait so we get to add on the Toyota naming rights for the AFL too now right? gotta be apples with apples...thats more than 10 million per season according to the Heraldsun - in 2008 mind you, and that deal is ongoing., so we can tack on aother 50 million for the AFL right - and we should have done that for 2007-2011 as well just so we stay on the even keel here as it were.

However NO ONE is reporting over 100 million for NZ rights, it seems to be common knowledge that the NZ broadcaster doesnt want to pay more than it is already (14 million per year), and 100 million is the most optimistic guess Ive seen anywhere.

Xman wrote:

eelofwest wrote:

The_Wookie wrote:

Just on this - and I havent troubled myself to read the whole thread

Im almost certain there is a bit of a deal at the moment where the rugby league players union are concerned they arent getting their mites out of the future fund. The Commission has set aside $225 million for the NRL future fund - done specifically with the amount set aside by the AFL in mind.

The Telstra deal as reported today includes a 5 year extension of the 15 million a year naming rights deal, meaning that Telstras mobile and 3 game IPTV deal would be worth $5 million a year or 25 mllion in total (as opposed to the 155 million paid to the AFL). The NZ deal has been reported as having an upper likelihood of 100 million (as opposed to the pennies if anything that the AFL get for them), radio rights will add 2 million according to Roy Masters (as opposed to the 23.2 million paid to the AFL). The known - but as yet not completely finalised version of the nrls media rights is worth 1.025 billion (+ a possible 30 million for an extra thursday game apparently paid for by Channel 9, kept secret from Foxtel, and not in the heads of agreement signed in August). With that in mind, and based on presently reported figures if they signed as they are:

NRL total: 1.152 Billion (includes Origin and 4 nations, Toyota Cup, NSW Cup, QLD Cup, NSW Schoolboys Cup, Premiership season, City v Country, Anzac test, Anzac Day match, + 2 hours of rugby league content on a 9 digital channel per day)
AFL Total: 1.272 Billion (includes Foxtel Cup, UNder 18s Championship, Premiership Season, NAB Cup, International Rules).

You are spot on Wookie, but if you take away the fact that the AFL has got the money they have through expansion with 2 new teams then you would have to add the amount of money these 2 teams are costing the AFL over the 5 year period which is in the vicinity of 220m over 5 years.

So it looks more like this.

NRL total: 1.152 Billion (includes Origin and 4 nations, Toyota Cup, NSW Cup, QLD Cup, NSW Schoolboys Cup, Premiership season, City v Country, Anzac test, Anzac Day match, + 2 hours of rugby league content on a 9 digital channel per day)

AFL Total: 1.272 Billion (includes Foxtel Cup, UNder 18s Championship, Premiership Season, NAB Cup, International Rules). now take away the Cost of expansion
AFL Total: 1.050 Billion

the AFL pay for expansion teams with futures funding. Can we minus the NRLs 200m futures fund from their total?

Raiderdave wrote:

The_Wookie wrote:

wait so we get to add on the Toyota naming rights for the AFL too now right? gotta be apples with apples...thats more than 10 million per season according to the Heraldsun - in 2008 mind you, and that deal is ongoing., so we can tack on aother 50 million for the AFL right - and we should have done that for 2007-2011 as well just so we stay on the even keel here as it were.

However NO ONE is reporting over 100 million for NZ rights, it seems to be common knowledge that the NZ broadcaster doesnt want to pay more than it is already (14 million per year), and 100 million is the most optimistic guess Ive seen anywhere.

when one considers the accuracy singletballers have displayed with every single component of the NRL's rights deal
I mean .... they haven't been close on any of it

they still are making predictions .....

I'd give up if I were them ..as they clearly know sweet FA about it

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

eelofwest wrote:

You are spot on Wookie, but if you take away the fact that the AFL has got the money they have through expansion with 2 new teams then you would have to add the amount of money these 2 teams are costing the AFL over the 5 year period which is in the vicinity of 220m over 5 years.

So it looks more like this.

NRL total: 1.152 Billion (includes Origin and 4 nations, Toyota Cup, NSW Cup, QLD Cup, NSW Schoolboys Cup, Premiership season, City v Country, Anzac test, Anzac Day match, + 2 hours of rugby league content on a 9 digital channel per day)

AFL Total: 1.272 Billion (includes Foxtel Cup, UNder 18s Championship, Premiership Season, NAB Cup, International Rules). now take away the Cost of expansion
AFL Total: 1.050 Billion

the AFL pay for expansion teams with futures funding. Can we minus the NRLs 200m futures fund from their total?

ah no .... this 200 Million plus is EXTRA ... on top of ... not included in ... is seperate from

got it d head ?
NRL ... 250 Million more disposable cash

Raiderdave wrote:

The_Wookie wrote:

wait so we get to add on the Toyota naming rights for the AFL too now right? gotta be apples with apples...thats more than 10 million per season according to the Heraldsun - in 2008 mind you, and that deal is ongoing., so we can tack on aother 50 million for the AFL right - and we should have done that for 2007-2011 as well just so we stay on the even keel here as it were.

However NO ONE is reporting over 100 million for NZ rights, it seems to be common knowledge that the NZ broadcaster doesnt want to pay more than it is already (14 million per year), and 100 million is the most optimistic guess Ive seen anywhere.

when one considers the accuracy singletballers have displayed with every single component of the NRL's rights deal
I mean .... they haven't been close on any of it

they still are making predictions .....

I'd give up if I were them ..as they clearly know sweet FA about it

National Rugby League clubs should be able to become operationally profitable on the back of the bumper new broadcast rights deal for Australia’s top rugby league competition, according to the body that represents the clubs.

NRL Club Council spokesman David Trodden told the Australian newspaper that the new five-year deals brokered by the Australian Rugby League Commission (ARLC) will transform the financial fortunes of its 16 member clubs. Fox Sports and Nine retained the domestic rights to the league in deals totalling A$205 million (US$215 million) per year from 2013-17 – more than double the existing deals totalling A$100 million per year.

“There was always a view in club land about the TV deal delivering long-term financial viability for the clubs and the game,” NRL Club Council spokesman David Trodden told the Australian newspaper. “I think that this deal will do that. Fifteen out of 16 clubs have been operating at a loss and I think that this provides an opportunity for 16 of the 16 clubs to be on a solid financial footing and not make losses any more. It’s a pivotal moment in the history of the game.”

The broadcast and new media rights in New Zealand and the new media rights in Australia are yet to be sold by the ARLC, and could generate a further A$175 million over five years, according to various reports. The current total of A$1.025 billion over five years falls short of the five-year broadcast deal struck by the NRL’s arch-rival, the Australian Football League. However, Nine chief executive David Gyngell said the NRL was worth more “pound for pound” than the A$1.25 billion deal for the country’s top Australian rules competition from 2012-15.

Gyngell, whose network made a losing bid for the AFL rights, told Reuters: “As a television executive, they (the NRL) have struck a better deal in total than the AFL. (NRL) is the best sporting code on TV. It has the best ratings. We’re in good shape to give the AFL a run for their money.”

Raiderdave wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

This is quite interesting. The NRL had already sold quite a bit of their online rights to fox probabaly in order to show a 1 billion dollar TV deal (a bit of spin). I still thought that they would have gotten more then 25 million for the rest of it, but perhaps the FTA component is not worth that much with it easily streamed through devices similar to the optus one and with only one game live.
Just out of curiousity how much did the AFL get for their naming rights?

so you cockheads believe what that ...we only got 25m for our online rights

what ?..... you think we got nothing for them in the previous 6 years .... & the 15 million a year from Telstra was entirely for naming rights



once again for our slow witted singlet wearing morons

2007 to 2012 Telstra paid 90 million for 8 games a week exclusive online & naming rights
2013 to 2017 Tesltra will pay OVA 100 Million for 3 games a week online & naming rights

who's to say the naming rights aren't 5 million a year .... & the online rights aren't worth 15 million plus a year to telstra

eelofwest wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

The_Wookie wrote:

wait so we get to add on the Toyota naming rights for the AFL too now right? gotta be apples with apples...thats more than 10 million per season according to the Heraldsun - in 2008 mind you, and that deal is ongoing., so we can tack on aother 50 million for the AFL right - and we should have done that for 2007-2011 as well just so we stay on the even keel here as it were.

However NO ONE is reporting over 100 million for NZ rights, it seems to be common knowledge that the NZ broadcaster doesnt want to pay more than it is already (14 million per year), and 100 million is the most optimistic guess Ive seen anywhere.

when one considers the accuracy singletballers have displayed with every single component of the NRL's rights deal
I mean .... they haven't been close on any of it

they still are making predictions .....

I'd give up if I were them ..as they clearly know sweet FA about it

http://sportsbusinessinsider.com.au/int ... -finances/

I think you will find Wookie you have not looked hard enough, rumors are that the NZ Sky deal could be worth up to 170m now with the Arrival of very popular All Black Sunny Bill williams.

National Rugby League clubs should be able to become operationally profitable on the back of the bumper new broadcast rights deal for Australia’s top rugby league competition, according to the body that represents the clubs.

NRL Club Council spokesman David Trodden told the Australian newspaper that the new five-year deals brokered by the Australian Rugby League Commission (ARLC) will transform the financial fortunes of its 16 member clubs. Fox Sports and Nine retained the domestic rights to the league in deals totalling A$205 million (US$215 million) per year from 2013-17 – more than double the existing deals totalling A$100 million per year.

“There was always a view in club land about the TV deal delivering long-term financial viability for the clubs and the game,” NRL Club Council spokesman David Trodden told the Australian newspaper. “I think that this deal will do that. Fifteen out of 16 clubs have been operating at a loss and I think that this provides an opportunity for 16 of the 16 clubs to be on a solid financial footing and not make losses any more. It’s a pivotal moment in the history of the game.”

The broadcast and new media rights in New Zealand and the new media rights in Australia are yet to be sold by the ARLC, and could generate a further A$175 million over five years, according to various reports. The current total of A$1.025 billion over five years falls short of the five-year broadcast deal struck by the NRL’s arch-rival, the Australian Football League. However, Nine chief executive David Gyngell said the NRL was worth more “pound for pound” than the A$1.25 billion deal for the country’s top Australian rules competition from 2012-15.

Gyngell, whose network made a losing bid for the AFL rights, told Reuters: “As a television executive, they (the NRL) have struck a better deal in total than the AFL. (NRL) is the best sporting code on TV. It has the best ratings. We’re in good shape to give the AFL a run for their money.”

The_Wookie wrote:

eelofwest wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

when one considers the accuracy singletballers have displayed with every single component of the NRL's rights deal
I mean .... they haven't been close on any of it

they still are making predictions .....

I'd give up if I were them ..as they clearly know sweet FA about it

http://sportsbusinessinsider.com.au/int ... -finances/

I think you will find Wookie you have not looked hard enough, rumors are that the NZ Sky deal could be worth up to 170m now with the Arrival of very popular All Black Sunny Bill williams.

National Rugby League clubs should be able to become operationally profitable on the back of the bumper new broadcast rights deal for Australia’s top rugby league competition, according to the body that represents the clubs.

NRL Club Council spokesman David Trodden told the Australian newspaper that the new five-year deals brokered by the Australian Rugby League Commission (ARLC) will transform the financial fortunes of its 16 member clubs. Fox Sports and Nine retained the domestic rights to the league in deals totalling A$205 million (US$215 million) per year from 2013-17 – more than double the existing deals totalling A$100 million per year.

“There was always a view in club land about the TV deal delivering long-term financial viability for the clubs and the game,” NRL Club Council spokesman David Trodden told the Australian newspaper. “I think that this deal will do that. Fifteen out of 16 clubs have been operating at a loss and I think that this provides an opportunity for 16 of the 16 clubs to be on a solid financial footing and not make losses any more. It’s a pivotal moment in the history of the game.”

The broadcast and new media rights in New Zealand and the new media rights in Australia are yet to be sold by the ARLC, and could generate a further A$175 million over five years, according to various reports. The current total of A$1.025 billion over five years falls short of the five-year broadcast deal struck by the NRL’s arch-rival, the Australian Football League. However, Nine chief executive David Gyngell said the NRL was worth more “pound for pound” than the A$1.25 billion deal for the country’s top Australian rules competition from 2012-15.

Gyngell, whose network made a losing bid for the AFL rights, told Reuters: “As a television executive, they (the NRL) have struck a better deal in total than the AFL. (NRL) is the best sporting code on TV. It has the best ratings. We’re in good shape to give the AFL a run for their money.”

Cheers for that, I hadnt seen that. Its got to be tempered though by other reports that Sky doesnt want to pay more than it already is. I guess we'll play wait and see on it.

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

the AFL pay for expansion teams with futures funding. Can we minus the NRLs 200m futures fund from their total?

ah no .... this 200 Million plus is EXTRA ... on top of ... not included in ... is seperate from

got it d head ?
NRL ... 250 Million more disposable cash

ah no. The AFL earn more cash, they just chose to spend it on things like new teams, stadiums, development etc.. The NRL will spend theirs also. When they do can we subtract it like you fools do?

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

ah no .... this 200 Million plus is EXTRA ... on top of ... not included in ... is seperate from

got it d head ?
NRL ... 250 Million more disposable cash

ah no. The AFL earn more cash, they just chose to spend it on things like new teams, stadiums, development etc.. The NRL will spend theirs also. When they do can we subtract it like you fools do?

we've got 225 million set aside for our future fund

so thats 880 Million left from our total cash revenue from our rights deal


the VFL has a future fund of a similar size I'd say
225 to 250 Million

&
another 225 million on its 2 new sides who are hoovering the cash out like its free

do the math d head
who's got more dough ...

talk about closing a gap overnight .....