Talking Footy

King-Eliagh wrote:

The GC and GWS surely require significantly more funding than any of the poor NRL clubs...

Chuck in Port and Demons and they have a huge problem.

NRL has the storm only who are loosing anything near these 4 AFL clubs.

Black hole clubs for the AFL and NRL.

1. GWS 150million over 5 years. Issy Falou 6million
2. Suns 150million over 5 years. Karmicheal hunt millions
3. Port i hear are loosing 7 million or so PA.
4. Demons are loosing about 7 PA.
5. Storm are loosing about 7 PA.

Feel free to add to this blackhole list, i am unsure if there are any bigger then these 5.

That is the order of the highest black holes in the AFL and NRL

AFL 1.250m minus 300million for GWS 6m for issy falou over 5 years, Suns karmicheal 6m over 5 years, Port handouts 35m over 5 years, demons 35m over 5 years handouts = 868million.
NRL 1.025million + NZ sky 100m appox + 150m for internet rights - The Storm 35million over 5 years = 1240million.

King-Eliagh wrote:

Well I'm not too phased as I dont really care to be watching more than two/three games a week. Also alot of the cashish will hopefully be spent on development, which is never a bad thing, except if they decided to go to mongolia with the game and waste a few mil, like the AFL basically did. I can see the point though with live matches. It wouldve been better if they went for getting the sunday game live and added a saturday live match on FTA also...

Delayed footy doesnt work anymore.Every code in the world knows this.And honestly not having a free to air game on Saturday while the AFL gets a free hit is a debacle.The money wont do much the clubs will eat it up just like they have in the AFL.The money will be spent to the last dollar then these idiots will cry poor.The next big blue in the AFL will be to place a cap on footy department spending.Colling wood spend over 30 million on there footy department alone it is out of hand.This is what you hear Demitriou hinting at now.You can see by the other codes in Australia no free to air coverage is death.The AFL will show the way again set up its own production house team up with telstra and get rid of these greedy muts who ream both our games.Then the free to air networks will be begging for content.I still cant believe that Gyngell suck declaring we bought it well do what we like.Hope the codes team up on these arseholes mand bypass them completely.The Nfl are doing it now and the AFL will follow(we always do).

And the rest of the NRL clubs, Eel, you idiot! Only one (maybe three) are in the black! The Broncos! (And maybe St.George/Illa and NZ) And unlike the AFL clubs they can't service the debt because they don't have the income!! Due to LACK OF CROWD NUMBERS!!

I want to see the figures for all the NRL clubs. And didn't I read somewhere that the Storm debt was actuall $25 million??

pookus wrote:

King-Eliagh wrote:

Well I'm not too phased as I dont really care to be watching more than two/three games a week. Also alot of the cashish will hopefully be spent on development, which is never a bad thing, except if they decided to go to mongolia with the game and waste a few mil, like the AFL basically did. I can see the point though with live matches. It wouldve been better if they went for getting the sunday game live and added a saturday live match on FTA also...

Delayed footy doesnt work anymore.Every code in the world knows this.And honestly not having a free to air game on Saturday while the AFL gets a free hit is a debacle.The money wont do much the clubs will eat it up just like they have in the AFL.The money will be spent to the last dollar then these idiots will cry poor.The next big blue in the AFL will be to place a cap on footy department spending.Colling wood spend over 30 million on there footy department alone it is out of hand.This is what you hear Demitriou hinting at now.You can see by the other codes in Australia no free to air coverage is death.The AFL will show the way again set up its own production house team up with telstra and get rid of these greedy muts who ream both our games.Then the free to air networks will be begging for content.I still cant believe that Gyngell suck declaring we bought it well do what we like.Hope the codes team up on these arseholes mand bypass them completely.The Nfl are doing it now and the AFL will follow(we always do).

The NRL is looking at Live streaming to phones and tablets next year.

AFL is looking at operating there own AFL.com in the near future.

Both codes understand that eventually they will have to lock out the middle man which is Nine and Seven to make a tone of money in the future.

Broadcast rights are going to be a thing of the past in 30 years time imo.

eelofwest wrote:

King-Eliagh wrote:

The GC and GWS surely require significantly more funding than any of the poor NRL clubs...

Chuck in Port and Demons and they have a huge problem.

NRL has the storm only who are loosing anything near these 4 AFL clubs.

Black hole clubs for the AFL and NRL.

1. GWS 150million over 5 years. Issy Falou 6million
2. Suns 150million over 5 years. Karmicheal hunt millions
3. Port i hear are loosing 7 million or so PA.
4. Demons are loosing about 7 PA.
5. Storm are loosing about 7 PA.

Feel free to add to this blackhole list, i am unsure if there are any bigger then these 5.

That is the order of the highest black holes in the AFL and NRL

AFL 1.250m minus 300million for GWS 6m for issy falou over 5 years, Suns karmicheal 6m over 5 years, Port handouts 35m over 5 years, demons 35m over 5 years handouts = 868million.
NRL 1.025million + NZ sky 100m appox + 150m for internet rights - The Storm 35million over 5 years = 1240million.

TPG the rest of the clubs loosing money in the AFL and NRL are not even close to these 5 clubs so it want change the fact that the NRL has 1240million from its broadcast deal and the AFL has 868million left from its broadcast deal after paying handouts to these blackhole clubs.

eelofwest wrote:

King-Eliagh wrote:

The GC and GWS surely require significantly more funding than any of the poor NRL clubs...

Chuck in Port and Demons and they have a huge problem.

NRL has the storm only who are loosing anything near these 4 AFL clubs.

Black hole clubs for the AFL and NRL.

1. GWS 150million over 5 years. Issy Falou 6million
2. Suns 150million over 5 years. Karmicheal hunt millions
3. Port i hear are loosing 7 million or so PA.
4. Demons are loosing about 7 PA.
5. Storm are loosing about 7 PA.

Feel free to add to this blackhole list, i am unsure if there are any bigger then these 5.

That is the order of the highest black holes in the AFL and NRL

AFL 1.250m minus 300million for GWS 6m for issy falou over 5 years, Suns karmicheal 6m over 5 years, Port handouts 35m over 5 years, demons 35m over 5 years handouts = 868million.
NRL 1.025million + NZ sky 100m appox + 150m for internet rights - The Storm 35million over 5 years = 1240million.

Where do you get these numbers from.They are all wrong.The expansion will cost about 60 million in the next five years.Port lost 2 Melbourne just over one and the Suns claimed a small profit.It was declared that every league club apart from the Broncs loses money.They said it loud and clear at the press conferance.This was to get everyone prepared for the fact that the clubs will take nearly all the money you guys just recieved.As I said before if your going to put down some kind of contrived spread sheet then get it right.Buddy the AFL are still 100's of millions ahead,expanding,live and owned by the game.League can only dream.

pookus wrote:

eelofwest wrote:

King-Eliagh wrote:

The GC and GWS surely require significantly more funding than any of the poor NRL clubs...

Chuck in Port and Demons and they have a huge problem.

NRL has the storm only who are loosing anything near these 4 AFL clubs.

Black hole clubs for the AFL and NRL.

1. GWS 150million over 5 years. Issy Falou 6million
2. Suns 150million over 5 years. Karmicheal hunt millions
3. Port i hear are loosing 7 million or so PA.
4. Demons are loosing about 7 PA.
5. Storm are loosing about 7 PA.

Feel free to add to this blackhole list, i am unsure if there are any bigger then these 5.

That is the order of the highest black holes in the AFL and NRL

AFL 1.250m minus 300million for GWS 6m for issy falou over 5 years, Suns karmicheal 6m over 5 years, Port handouts 35m over 5 years, demons 35m over 5 years handouts = 868million.
NRL 1.025million + NZ sky 100m appox + 150m for internet rights - The Storm 35million over 5 years = 1240million.

Where do you get these numbers from.They are all wrong.The expansion will cost about 60 million in the next five years.Port lost 2 Melbourne just over one and the Suns claimed a small profit.It was declared that every league club apart from the Broncs loses money.They said it loud and clear at the press conferance.This was to get everyone prepared for the fact that the clubs will take nearly all the money you guys just recieved.As I said before if your going to put down some kind of contrived spread sheet then get it right.Buddy the AFL are still 100's of millions ahead,expanding,live and owned by the game.League can only dream.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/AFL/AFL-pre ... 6274854353

AFL chief Andrew Demetriou reveals debt of all 18 clubs is the worst in competition's history

Andrew Demetriou

Looking to the future ... Demetriou wants to work with the clubs to help rid the game of debt. Source: News Limited

AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou has revealed the debt of the 18 clubs - understood to be more than $40 million - is the worst it has been in the competition's history.

Demetriou admitted the level of collective debt at club level had to be addressed as a matter of urgency, saying Port Adelaide was the club that worried him most.

"It is a real concern," he said this week in an exclusive interview with Sunday Herald Sun columnist Shane Crawford.

"The total debt of the clubs in the competition today is the highest it has ever been.

"We have flagged that this is a year of consolidation. We have brought in two new clubs, we have a CBA, we have done the broadcast deal, we have re-signed all our sponsors. We have done all our big deals.

"Now we have to look after the existing clubs and help them get some control over their debt."

The AFL will relay the actual figure to its clubs within the next week, but it is understood to be between $40 million and $50 million.


50 million debt from the clubs last year......mmmm yes AFL are all profitable...

ParraEelsNRL wrote:

Hahaha, Bea, x-woman, pies (4 n 20 man) and all the rest are really butthurt over this deal =D>

Yeah, we hate watching 9 live HD games a week with 4 live on FTA. Hate it I tell ya!

Thats what Im talking about more money means theyll spend more money simple.The NRL are in the same boat but with a lot less to play with.You dont need to worry about AFL they are asset rich and cashed up.But the clubs will push it always same as NRL.So the point being made is was it better that you got cash so it can be eaten by the greedy or would it have been better to expose your game to new revenue streams.I think we all know the real answer to that.

eelofwest wrote:

pookus wrote:

eelofwest wrote:

Chuck in Port and Demons and they have a huge problem.

NRL has the storm only who are loosing anything near these 4 AFL clubs.

Black hole clubs for the AFL and NRL.

1. GWS 150million over 5 years. Issy Falou 6million
2. Suns 150million over 5 years. Karmicheal hunt millions
3. Port i hear are loosing 7 million or so PA.
4. Demons are loosing about 7 PA.
5. Storm are loosing about 7 PA.

Feel free to add to this blackhole list, i am unsure if there are any bigger then these 5.

That is the order of the highest black holes in the AFL and NRL

AFL 1.250m minus 300million for GWS 6m for issy falou over 5 years, Suns karmicheal 6m over 5 years, Port handouts 35m over 5 years, demons 35m over 5 years handouts = 868million.
NRL 1.025million + NZ sky 100m appox + 150m for internet rights - The Storm 35million over 5 years = 1240million.

Where do you get these numbers from.They are all wrong.The expansion will cost about 60 million in the next five years.Port lost 2 Melbourne just over one and the Suns claimed a small profit.It was declared that every league club apart from the Broncs loses money.They said it loud and clear at the press conferance.This was to get everyone prepared for the fact that the clubs will take nearly all the money you guys just recieved.As I said before if your going to put down some kind of contrived spread sheet then get it right.Buddy the AFL are still 100's of millions ahead,expanding,live and owned by the game.League can only dream.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/AFL/AFL-pre ... 6274854353

AFL chief Andrew Demetriou reveals debt of all 18 clubs is the worst in competition's history

Andrew Demetriou

Looking to the future ... Demetriou wants to work with the clubs to help rid the game of debt. Source: News Limited

AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou has revealed the debt of the 18 clubs - understood to be more than $40 million - is the worst it has been in the competition's history.

Demetriou admitted the level of collective debt at club level had to be addressed as a matter of urgency, saying Port Adelaide was the club that worried him most.

"It is a real concern," he said this week in an exclusive interview with Sunday Herald Sun columnist Shane Crawford.

"The total debt of the clubs in the competition today is the highest it has ever been.

"We have flagged that this is a year of consolidation. We have brought in two new clubs, we have a CBA, we have done the broadcast deal, we have re-signed all our sponsors. We have done all our big deals.

"Now we have to look after the existing clubs and help them get some control over their debt."

The AFL will relay the actual figure to its clubs within the next week, but it is understood to be between $40 million and $50 million.


50 million debt from the clubs last year......mmmm yes AFL are all profitable...

You stupid donkey!

Theres nothing wrong with debt. We went over this at the time. The vast majority of debt in that report is for Collingwood, Hawthorn and Carlton, which are rolling in money. They cover the debt repayments easily. Its like saying people with a mortgage are broke!

Debt on its own bad you dumbarse. Its only bad if you cant make the repayments. You know, like making a loss each year. You know, like 15 of 16 NRL clubs.

pookus wrote:

Thats what Im talking about more money means theyll spend more money simple.The NRL are in the same boat but with a lot less to play with.You dont need to worry about AFL they are asset rich and cashed up.But the clubs will push it always same as NRL.So the point being made is was it better that you got cash so it can be eaten by the greedy or would it have been better to expose your game to new revenue streams.I think we all know the real answer to that.

This article was written way back in 08 and they were planning to spend 150m on these teams.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-07-16/a ... 50m/441130

This has blown out and is now costing them 220m to make it the next deal.

http://m.smh.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/gws-bo ... 23ktu.html

The Giants - like all clubs - will continue to be subsidised by AFL headquarters. The chief executive, Andrew Demetriou, said the code's expansion with its 17th and 18th teams would cost $220 million.

While all clubs agreed to the introduction of the Gold Coast Suns and Giants, there is some agitation over how long the substantial handouts to the new clubs should continue.

It will be a long road for the AFL trust me on that, i live in the west of sydney and there is jack all interest or talk about the Giants...

Xman wrote:

ParraEelsNRL wrote:

Hahaha, Bea, x-woman, pies (4 n 20 man) and all the rest are really butthurt over this deal =D>

Yeah, we hate watching 9 live HD games a week with 4 live on FTA. Hate it I tell ya!

Yeah better than over exposure where people start getting the shits with your product and turning over

eelofwest wrote:

pookus wrote:

King-Eliagh wrote:

Well I'm not too phased as I dont really care to be watching more than two/three games a week. Also alot of the cashish will hopefully be spent on development, which is never a bad thing, except if they decided to go to mongolia with the game and waste a few mil, like the AFL basically did. I can see the point though with live matches. It wouldve been better if they went for getting the sunday game live and added a saturday live match on FTA also...

Delayed footy doesnt work anymore.Every code in the world knows this.And honestly not having a free to air game on Saturday while the AFL gets a free hit is a debacle.The money wont do much the clubs will eat it up just like they have in the AFL.The money will be spent to the last dollar then these idiots will cry poor.The next big blue in the AFL will be to place a cap on footy department spending.Colling wood spend over 30 million on there footy department alone it is out of hand.This is what you hear Demitriou hinting at now.You can see by the other codes in Australia no free to air coverage is death.The AFL will show the way again set up its own production house team up with telstra and get rid of these greedy muts who ream both our games.Then the free to air networks will be begging for content.I still cant believe that Gyngell suck declaring we bought it well do what we like.Hope the codes team up on these arseholes mand bypass them completely.The Nfl are doing it now and the AFL will follow(we always do).

The NRL is looking at Live streaming to phones and tablets next year.

AFL is looking at operating there own AFL.com in the near future.

Both codes understand that eventually they will have to lock out the middle man which is Nine and Seven to make a tone of money in the future.

Broadcast rights are going to be a thing of the past in 30 years time imo.

30 years are you kidding it is happening right now and everything the AFL are doing is heading down that path.You can already get all AFL games on your tablet phone or TBOX.The next deal the AFL will have the power to tell the networks to shove it.Smart TV is the future buddy but it seems like most things the NRL are behind the 8 ball.

eelofwest wrote:

pookus wrote:

Thats what Im talking about more money means theyll spend more money simple.The NRL are in the same boat but with a lot less to play with.You dont need to worry about AFL they are asset rich and cashed up.But the clubs will push it always same as NRL.So the point being made is was it better that you got cash so it can be eaten by the greedy or would it have been better to expose your game to new revenue streams.I think we all know the real answer to that.

This article was written way back in 08 and they were planning to spend 150m on these teams.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-07-16/a ... 50m/441130

This has blown out and is now costing them 220m to make it the next deal.

http://m.smh.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/gws-bo ... 23ktu.html

The Giants - like all clubs - will continue to be subsidised by AFL headquarters. The chief executive, Andrew Demetriou, said the code's expansion with its 17th and 18th teams would cost $220 million.

While all clubs agreed to the introduction of the Gold Coast Suns and Giants, there is some agitation over how long the substantial handouts to the new clubs should continue.

It will be a long road for the AFL trust me on that, i live in the west of sydney and there is jack all interest or talk about the Giants...

You just make this shit up.Those numbers are quoted over 10 years and the AFL are wrapped at the revenue income especially from the suns.They posted a profit.

pookus wrote:

eelofwest wrote:

pookus wrote:

Thats what Im talking about more money means theyll spend more money simple.The NRL are in the same boat but with a lot less to play with.You dont need to worry about AFL they are asset rich and cashed up.But the clubs will push it always same as NRL.So the point being made is was it better that you got cash so it can be eaten by the greedy or would it have been better to expose your game to new revenue streams.I think we all know the real answer to that.

This article was written way back in 08 and they were planning to spend 150m on these teams.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-07-16/a ... 50m/441130

This has blown out and is now costing them 220m to make it the next deal.

http://m.smh.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/gws-bo ... 23ktu.html

The Giants - like all clubs - will continue to be subsidised by AFL headquarters. The chief executive, Andrew Demetriou, said the code's expansion with its 17th and 18th teams would cost $220 million.

While all clubs agreed to the introduction of the Gold Coast Suns and Giants, there is some agitation over how long the substantial handouts to the new clubs should continue.

It will be a long road for the AFL trust me on that, i live in the west of sydney and there is jack all interest or talk about the Giants...

You just make this **** up.Those numbers are quoted over 10 years and the AFL are wrapped at the revenue income especially from the suns.They posted a profit.

Mate do you even read....

http://m.smh.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/gws-bo ... 23ktu.html

Chuck in Port and Demons and they have a huge problem.

NRL has the storm only who are loosing anything near these 4 AFL clubs.

Black hole clubs for the AFL and NRL.

1. GWS 120million over 5 years. Issy Falou 6million
2. Suns 120million over 5 years. Karmicheal hunt millions
3. Port i hear are loosing 7 million or so PA.
4. Demons are loosing about 7 PA.
5. Storm are loosing about 7 PA.

Feel free to add to this blackhole list, i am unsure if there are any bigger then these 5.

That is the order of the highest black holes in the AFL and NRL

AFL 1.250m minus 220million expansion, GWS 6m for issy falou over 5 years, Suns karmicheal 6m over 5 years, Port handouts 35m over 5 years, demons 35m over 5 years handouts = 928million.
NRL 1.025million + NZ sky 100m appox + 150m for internet rights - The Storm 35million over 5 years = 1240million.