Talking Footy

Fred wrote: Sat Apr 29, 2023 11:43 am

Not sure - do the sun”s own the management rights to the stadium ? That would reduce break even I would suspect. There was a thread on this some time ago I think.

GlobalRugbyLeague wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2023 8:58 am

AFL house will never admit GWS struggles in Western Sydney. Is is bit like the AFL China exhibition matches.
There was virtually nobody of Asian descent of the small crowd in the stadium of the few people at all.. Yet AFL kept claiming it was a roaring success exposing the game to a billion plus people lol...

At least when Rugby League tried with the Wolfpack in Canada. The locals actually turned up to the game.

Quolls2019 wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:38 pm

GlobalRugbyLeague wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2023 8:58 am

AFL house will never admit GWS struggles in Western Sydney. Is is bit like the AFL China exhibition matches.
There was virtually nobody of Asian descent of the small crowd in the stadium of the few people at all.. Yet AFL kept claiming it was a roaring success exposing the game to a billion plus people lol...

At least when Rugby League tried with the Wolfpack in Canada. The locals actually turned up to the game.

Wolfpack who?

The only thing current about them is the IOU’s.

AFLcrap1 wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:14 pm

Quolls2019 wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:38 pm

GlobalRugbyLeague wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2023 8:58 am

AFL house will never admit GWS struggles in Western Sydney. Is is bit like the AFL China exhibition matches.
There was virtually nobody of Asian descent of the small crowd in the stadium of the few people at all.. Yet AFL kept claiming it was a roaring success exposing the game to a billion plus people lol...

At least when Rugby League tried with the Wolfpack in Canada. The locals actually turned up to the game.

Wolfpack who?

The only thing current about them is the IOU’s.

Comprehension fail
He said At least WHEN RL tried .
He never mentioned currently .

leeroy*NRL* wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 2:43 pm

65 Million was handed to the GWS AND SUNS in the year of 2023
which is record
blew previous year out of the water by 7-8million

Fred wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 3:05 pm

I wouldn't say Aussie Rules struggles in QLD - not by a long shot as there is a very large presence - and many players who grow up in QLD who have gone on to play at AFL level - hence the strong presence and numbers - you just have to look at the amount of leagues and amount of clubs. Brisbane doing well with supporter base very strong along with crowds and Suns having a very loyal rusted on supporter base that, when considering how poorly they have been since inception, is quite good and gives a stable base from which to grow.

I do think Western Sydney is struggling though re: Aussie Rules - numbers apparently plateaued at grassroots after an initial spike- GWS not really having a great imprint in the area, and Aussie Rules/AFL miles behind NRL and Soccer I think. I think GWS success on the field reasonably early could have been not the gift the AFL thought it would be - having a lengthy lean period, such as the Suns have had, I think builds, albeit slowly, a good base that isn;t going anywhere - and then when success happens, others jump on board. The Suns will have to make a go of it this time around however - and I'm not convinced this year will be the year - just going by the third quarter against what was a very weak side.


On "handouts" Leroy - would you also have to take into account the extra revenue the two sides generate in TV rights?

Fred wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 3:05 pm

I wouldn't say Aussie Rules struggles in QLD - not by a long shot as there is a very large presence - and many players who grow up in QLD who have gone on to play at AFL level - hence the strong presence and numbers - you just have to look at the amount of leagues and amount of clubs. Brisbane doing well with supporter base very strong along with crowds and Suns having a very loyal rusted on supporter base that, when considering how poorly they have been since inception, is quite good and gives a stable base from which to grow.

I do think Western Sydney is struggling though re: Aussie Rules - numbers apparently plateaued at grassroots after an initial spike- GWS not really having a great imprint in the area, and Aussie Rules/AFL miles behind NRL and Soccer I think. I think GWS success on the field reasonably early could have been not the gift the AFL thought it would be - having a lengthy lean period, such as the Suns have had, I think builds, albeit slowly, a good base that isn;t going anywhere - and then when success happens, others jump on board. The Suns will have to make a go of it this time around however - and I'm not convinced this year will be the year - just going by the third quarter against what was a very weak side.


On "handouts" Leroy - would you also have to take into account the extra revenue the two sides generate in TV rights?

Fred wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:45 pm

When is the next deal being stuck - didn't seven do a 6 or 7 year deal just recently?

azif wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:21 pm

Fred wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 3:05 pm

I wouldn't say Aussie Rules struggles in QLD - not by a long shot as there is a very large presence - and many players who grow up in QLD who have gone on to play at AFL level - hence the strong presence and numbers - you just have to look at the amount of leagues and amount of clubs. Brisbane doing well with supporter base very strong along with crowds and Suns having a very loyal rusted on supporter base that, when considering how poorly they have been since inception, is quite good and gives a stable base from which to grow.

I do think Western Sydney is struggling though re: Aussie Rules - numbers apparently plateaued at grassroots after an initial spike- GWS not really having a great imprint in the area, and Aussie Rules/AFL miles behind NRL and Soccer I think. I think GWS success on the field reasonably early could have been not the gift the AFL thought it would be - having a lengthy lean period, such as the Suns have had, I think builds, albeit slowly, a good base that isn;t going anywhere - and then when success happens, others jump on board. The Suns will have to make a go of it this time around however - and I'm not convinced this year will be the year - just going by the third quarter against what was a very weak side.


On "handouts" Leroy - would you also have to take into account the extra revenue the two sides generate in TV rights?

both elite AFL clubs in QLD are financial basket cases , the Lions even allowing for their success on field are the 3rd most funded team in the comp not that far behind those 2 above who are money vaccume cleaners , were from day one & it appears its getting worse.
Stating how well the code is going at grass roots level is irrelevant , soccer dwarfs AFL in qld .. but its a league club is broke & the benefits of juniors is not translating. The AFL is being drained of resources by these QLD clubs & GWS because the sport is struggling there .. not penetrating the market where it matters.