the VFL , officially a disgrace

[Xman]

Illicit drug use is a community issue and rife amongst young people.

Its a topic that is repeatedly discussed in AFL circles including with industry experts, and their drugs policy is reviewed regularly in view of new evidence or findings. The AFLs results are even published for public scrutiny.

And what of the NRL?

No talk, no published results, just silence...the testing is left to the clubs and is shrouded in secrecy.

THE NRL may or may not have a problem with illicit drugs. We don't know because the game's administration has decided not to tell us. Drug use could be rampant, but the NRL keeps us in the dark because under the terms of its illicit drug-testing policy - carried out by the clubs and endorsed by the players union - confidentiality is ensured.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/o ... 1117914212

Yet it wasnt too long ago that it was shown some nRL clubs werent even following the required testing regime

About two months ago, The Australian was told internal audits had revealed at least four clubs failed to meet their requirements under the NRL's in-house testing policy up until that point of the season.
We asked the NRL whether this was correct. We were told it wasn't. Guess what happened when we asked for proof? Sorry, can't help you. We went to the players union. Again, no help.
Where drug testing is concerned, the NRL and its players union subscribe to the old adage: Tell them nothing and give them even less.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/n ... 5811536274

But we all know these issues affect the NRL as well

The National Rugby League has had its fair share of illicit drugs battles.
Former Newcastle Knights player Danny Wicks was charged with supplying illicit recreational drugs, specifically for dealing “a full tank of gas” or “another gas bottle” as read his text messages.
Other league players have also spoken out against a culture mixing recreational drugs and alcohol with painkillers.
The real issue is that, as one leading rugby league player who wanted to remain anonymous puts it, “clubs are turning a blind eye to it”.
I’ve had ties with a rugby league club that was forced to sanction players from their Toyota Cup and NSW Cup squads for failing drug tests. Some players were sacked, others were allowed to continue representing their club.
I’ve been to end of season parties with clubs of the NRL where players are openly gloating about their drug use, both in Australia and on overseas trips. As if they feel they are unrestrained by the regulations of their respective sporting body.
Our sporting institutions KNOW this is happening. But their administrators know the brands of their respective codes will be severely damaged if they lose some of their greatest stars, which can potentially lead to a decline in audiences and effectively marketing opportunities.

http://au.sports.yahoo.com/league/blogs ... ig-sports/

So, as i said, ilicit drug use is a community problem and is prevelent in all sports. But which would you rather? A code that is proactive and determined to discuss these matters and reveal the results of their policies for review? Or a code that wants to hush it all up and essentially refuses to discuss it?

Shocking! Sweep sweep NRL!

[Stewie]

Well done to the AFL for tackling the issue head on. What does the nRL do? Sit on its hands because it knows the code has a huge drug culture and they don't want the negative publicity.

The nRL is a disgrace.

[eelofwest]

Footy's drug summit will be told some teenage AFL recruits are already schooled in illegal drug use when they join the game's top ranks.

It can be revealed a senior club figure raised the drugs problem at a meeting with Victorian Sports Minister Hugh Delahunty last week.

The AFL releases the 2013 season fixture, every regular season game live on Fox Sports.


He told the Minister some recruits already knew of ways to avoid detection in drug tests when they arrived in the AFL system.

At least one Victorian club will allege at an industry-wide drugs symposium to be held in January that draftees are running the gauntlet on drugs in their first season in the AFL.

The summit was called after Collingwood chief executive Gary Pert warned of "volcanic behaviour" among footballers on their off-season breaks.

The under-18 TAC Cup competition is the major recruiting ground for AFL clubs, providing the bulk of talent at the national draft.

One AFL club boss said: "I know it to be. Have a look at schoolies. I think the kids are turning to these things earlier on, and not necessarily out of recreation, but because of their backgrounds.

It's hard out there in the suburbs for a lot of kids and they do turn to drugs. I think they are more accepted at a younger age now.

"Schools are beside themselves - from the best schools to the most working-class, so why would we think that just because they are in the First XVIII they are not doing it?"

Clubs will use January's meeting to push for greater control of the contentious three-strikes illicit drug testing regime and the right to know which players have recorded strikes.

Under existing rules, only the club doctor is informed of positive tests.

A rise in the number of AFL players self-reporting the use of substances to avoid drug strikes will also be tabled.

The Herald Sun has detailed a spike in players self-reporting the use of drugs to AFL medical directors Dr Peter Harcourt and Dr Harry Unglik.

By self-reporting, players avoid registering a positive drug test and a strike against their name.

The concern is restricted to a small number of players, most from the same Melbourne club.

Allegations of players supplying drugs to teammates will also be raised.

The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority conducts some drug tests at the under-18 national championships, but not the lower grades.

Veteran Geelong Falcons regional manager Michael Turner said he took offence at the notion of illicit drug use in the TAC Cup.

"Categorically, absolutely not. I have run the Geelong Falcons for AFL Victoria and the AFL for 18 years and they are fantastic kids - very disciplined kids," Turner said.

"In my time I have never seen any evidence of anything like that. So for anyone to say that ... it's absolute rubbish. I'm offended by it."

Turner said TAC Cup players received the same education on drugs, alcohol, racism and respect and responsibility as AFL footballers.

"What happens after they get drafted and they grow up is an issue for whatever club and environment they are in. So I can't speak for that, because they are adults."

Federal legislation states that ASADA agents can drug test any sporting competition at any level at any time.

A memo to TAC Cup clubs last year said testing was "unlikely to occur" at club level, but would take place at the elite national championships.

Dandenong Stingrays regional manager Mark Wheeler said he had never encountered drug use among his players.

But another TAC Cup official, who asked not be named, said club's would be naive to think junior players were not experimenting with drugs, alcohol and gambling.

"There is a lot of temptation out there - that's just a reality," he said.

But he said the structure and discipline of junior sport gave troubled kids a better chance in life.

Asked about the drugs in football debate, Delahunty said: "Drugs of any kind are not welcome in sport. However, this is a matter for the AFL as the controlling body."



They all want to be like Cousins.........


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/top-stories/clai ... z2ElUsgb2V

THE AFL's inquiry into tanking at Melbourne is likely to drag into February after the league's last chance to charge the club this year elapsed yesterday. Oh what a surprise who would have thought..................

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/AFL ... 6534040794

AFL commission sitting on its hand with this issue..........

[Xman]

Again, why would they rush such a serious investigation that is so hard to prove? Its not like salary cap cheating. How do you prove someone deliberately lost? As far as I'm concerned they should take as long as they need, as long as they get the decision right.

[Raiderdave]

Again, why would they rush such a serious investigation that is so hard to prove? Its not like salary cap cheating. How do you prove someone deliberately lost? As far as I'm concerned they should take as long as they need, as long as they get the decision right.

but but but

FMD what a farce .......... match fixing , is there anything more serious or harmful to a sports integrity

yet the VFL does nothing

its official .... the VFL is a disgrace

[Xman]

Again, why would they rush such a serious investigation that is so hard to prove? Its not like salary cap cheating. How do you prove someone deliberately lost? As far as I'm concerned they should take as long as they need, as long as they get the decision right.

but but but

FMD what a farce .......... match fixing , is there anything more serious or harmful to a sports integrity

yet the VFL does nothing

its official .... the VFL is a disgrace

Hmmm, the NRL took over a year to investigate the storms cheating, and they won a GF in that time. In comparison the AFL have only investigated Melbourne for 6 months.

Noce self ownage there Dave!

[Xman]

The AFL has asked Melbourne to respond to evidence which could lead to the club being charged with tanking for draft picks in 2009.

The AFL said any charges that resulted were expected to be laid in late January, after the Demons have had time to respond.

"Evidence gathered during the investigation will this week be provided to relevant parties to give them an opportunity to comment," the league said in a statement on Wednesday night.

"It is expected that a final decision regarding whether any charges under AFL rules are warranted will be made in late January 2013."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-19/d ... tion=sport

[Stewie]

Well done to the AFL for tackling the issue straight away and not taking a year to investigate like the nRL did with the Storm =D>

[eelofwest]

Well done to the AFL for tackling the issue straight away and not taking a year to investigate like the nRL did with the Storm =D>

October 2009

The Victorian Commission for Gambling Regulation asks for assurances that tanking is not occurring. It later says it is satisfied with the measures the league had in place to ensure the integrity of games.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/a-ti ... z2FaITFHN3

July 2010

Sydney coach Paul Roos infers a culture of tanking exists among lowly-placed teams late in the season when, in the lead-up to a round 17 game against Melbourne, he says

August 2011

After a 186-point defeat to Geelong, Bailey is sacked as Melbourne coach. He tells his farewell press conference two days later he had coached early in his tenure to ensure the Demons had the best draft picks. "I was asked to do the best thing by the Melbourne Football Club and I did it. I put players in different positions to enable them (to develop) ... I think the whole football club agreed we wanted to develop our players, so we did." The AFL questions Bailey over his comments but is satisfied tanking did not take place.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/a-ti ... z2FaExKb9G


December 2012

Still asking the demons to front up to the evidence, when will this Farce end.......


Yes they acted quickly alright..................... It took them well over a year to admit there is a problem and still no punishment handed down...... =D>

Melbourne Storm rorts

November, 2009 NRL salary cap auditor Ian Schubert discovers breach at Storm after checking club accounts.

April 22 2010 , afternoon David Gallop announces the Storm have kept two sets of books, rorting the salary cap by $1.7m over five years. Hartigan places the blame squarely with Waldron. The club is stripped of 2007 and 2009 NRL premierships, 2006, 2007 and 2008 minor premierships, all 2010 competition points and cannot accrue further points in 2010, fined $500,000 and forced to hand back $1.1 million in prizemoney to be distributed evenly among the other NRL clubs. AFL says it will investigate St Kilda players' contracts during Waldron's time at the club from 2002 to 2004.

Took the NRL 5-6 months to Fix the problem and lay down the law.......................mmmm i wander who acted more precisely out of the 2............ =D>

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z2FaFzGgca



Time to step down Mr Demetrioa................ Oh Gillon McLachlan has been promoted to the new role of AFL deputy chief executive officer today.........all starts to make sense now... =D> =D>



New role sparks debate on AFL chief

Well well well, looks like your on the outer Mr Demetrioa and for good reason.

http://www.theage.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/n ... 2bncd.html

[Xman]

Moron.

The AFL were questioned over tanking before but no one was willing to give evidence. Without evidence how do you prove it?

An ex Melbourne player claimed they were tanking when he played there in late July. After an extensive investigation they will probably announce a result 6 months later. =D> =D>

The nrl began to investigate the storm in early 2009 and didnt finish for a year. In that time the storm won a GF and made a mockery of that season.

Hmmmmm

[eelofwest]

Moron.

The AFL were questioned over tanking before but no one was willing to give evidence. Without evidence how do you prove it?

An ex Melbourne player claimed they were tanking when he played there in late July. After an extensive investigation they will probably announce a result 6 months later. =D> =D>

The nrl began to investigate the storm in early 2009 and didnt finish for a year. In that time the storm won a GF and made a mockery of that season.

Hmmmmm

Ah no Moron it started in November 2009 ended in april 2010, that is 5 months........


November, 2009 NRL salary cap auditor Ian Schubert discovers breach at Storm after checking club accounts.

April 22 2010 , afternoon David Gallop announces the Storm have kept two sets of books, rorting the salary cap by $1.7m over five years. Hartigan places the blame squarely with Waldron. The club is stripped of 2007 and 2009 NRL premierships, 2006, 2007 and 2008 minor premierships, all 2010 competition points and cannot accrue further points in 2010, fined $500,000 and forced to hand back $1.1 million in prizemoney to be distributed evenly among the other NRL clubs. AFL says it will investigate St Kilda players' contracts during Waldron's time at the club from 2002 to 2004.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z2FaFzGgca

"It is expected that a final decision regarding whether any charges under AFL rules are warranted will be made in late January 2013."

Wow nearly 4 years to put this issue to bed..............

[Raiderdave]

5 months

to

4 years


yep ..... that seems about right
the NRL would have 8 times the integrity of the VFL ....

[Xman]

Moron.

The AFL were questioned over tanking before but no one was willing to give evidence. Without evidence how do you prove it?

An ex Melbourne player claimed they were tanking when he played there in late July. After an extensive investigation they will probably announce a result 6 months later. =D> =D>

The nrl began to investigate the storm in early 2009 and didnt finish for a year. In that time the storm won a GF and made a mockery of that season.

Hmmmmm

Ah no Moron it started in November 2009 ended in april 2010, that is 5 months........


November, 2009 NRL salary cap auditor Ian Schubert discovers breach at Storm after checking club accounts.

April 22 2010 , afternoon David Gallop announces the Storm have kept two sets of books, rorting the salary cap by $1.7m over five years. Hartigan places the blame squarely with Waldron. The club is stripped of 2007 and 2009 NRL premierships, 2006, 2007 and 2008 minor premierships, all 2010 competition points and cannot accrue further points in 2010, fined $500,000 and forced to hand back $1.1 million in prizemoney to be distributed evenly among the other NRL clubs. AFL says it will investigate St Kilda players' contracts during Waldron's time at the club from 2002 to 2004.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z2FaFzGgca

"It is expected that a final decision regarding whether any charges under AFL rules are warranted will be made in late January 2013."

Wow nearly 4 years to put this issue to bed..............

“After a year-long investigation into the Storm, supported by clear admissions from the Club Chairman and Chief Executive, the NRL had sufficient information on which to base a penalty in April 2010 – indeed given what we knew at that time there was no other option.
http://www.nrl.com/final-report-storm-s ... fault.aspx

[eelofwest]

Moron.

The AFL were questioned over tanking before but no one was willing to give evidence. Without evidence how do you prove it?

An ex Melbourne player claimed they were tanking when he played there in late July. After an extensive investigation they will probably announce a result 6 months later. =D> =D>

The nrl began to investigate the storm in early 2009 and didnt finish for a year. In that time the storm won a GF and made a mockery of that season.

Hmmmmm

Ah no Moron it started in November 2009 ended in april 2010, that is 5 months........


November, 2009 NRL salary cap auditor Ian Schubert discovers breach at Storm after checking club accounts.

April 22 2010 , afternoon David Gallop announces the Storm have kept two sets of books, rorting the salary cap by $1.7m over five years. Hartigan places the blame squarely with Waldron. The club is stripped of 2007 and 2009 NRL premierships, 2006, 2007 and 2008 minor premierships, all 2010 competition points and cannot accrue further points in 2010, fined $500,000 and forced to hand back $1.1 million in prizemoney to be distributed evenly among the other NRL clubs. AFL says it will investigate St Kilda players' contracts during Waldron's time at the club from 2002 to 2004.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z2FaFzGgca

"It is expected that a final decision regarding whether any charges under AFL rules are warranted will be made in late January 2013."

Wow nearly 4 years to put this issue to bed..............

“After a year-long investigation into the Storm, supported by clear admissions from the Club Chairman and Chief Executive, the NRL had sufficient information on which to base a penalty in April 2010 – indeed given what we knew at that time there was no other option.
http://www.nrl.com/final-report-storm-s ... fault.aspx

Wait 1 year at most compared to 3 years and the AFL sweeping the issue under the carpet.......

[Xman]

Ah no Moron it started in November 2009 ended in april 2010, that is 5 months........


November, 2009 NRL salary cap auditor Ian Schubert discovers breach at Storm after checking club accounts.

April 22 2010 , afternoon David Gallop announces the Storm have kept two sets of books, rorting the salary cap by $1.7m over five years. Hartigan places the blame squarely with Waldron. The club is stripped of 2007 and 2009 NRL premierships, 2006, 2007 and 2008 minor premierships, all 2010 competition points and cannot accrue further points in 2010, fined $500,000 and forced to hand back $1.1 million in prizemoney to be distributed evenly among the other NRL clubs. AFL says it will investigate St Kilda players' contracts during Waldron's time at the club from 2002 to 2004.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z2FaFzGgca


Wow nearly 4 years to put this issue to bed..............

“After a year-long investigation into the Storm, supported by clear admissions from the Club Chairman and Chief Executive, the NRL had sufficient information on which to base a penalty in April 2010 – indeed given what we knew at that time there was no other option.
http://www.nrl.com/final-report-storm-s ... fault.aspx

Wait 1 year at most compared to 3 years and the AFL sweeping the issue under the carpet.......

except that evidence only arose against Melbourne demons in late July. Seems the AFL are well ahead of the blundering NRL