Tanking Continues To Be a Problem!

[Xman]

I'm saying that ALL sporting clubs are NOT squeaky clean! League, Union, Soccer, Football, Cricket and so on! You denied that!

well clubs have a selfish interest and are often driven by passionate support. Its pretty obvious with salary cap breaches that they have some corruption. The AFL itself though appears pretty respectable to me

[eelofwest]

GRANT Thomas has called for the AFL to open an amnesty on tanking, and believes the league is in danger of becoming an ''orchestrated theatre company'' because of its rulings.

Thomas has appeared to re-open his feud with AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou, declaring the AFL boss would not want to appear in court to justify claims that Melbourne had tanked in 2009.

The former St Kilda coach suggested late last year he would no longer participate in media debate after stepping down from his role on Channel Nine's Footy Classified.

But Thomas was prompted to turn his focus on the AFL after Fairfax Media revealed details of an 800-page report by league investigators into claims the Demons had worked to lose matches.

The club has until the end of January to respond.

Lawyers for Melbourne argue there is no clear definition of tanking, and believe the club would win any court case if the league confirms charges against former coach Dean Bailey, now an assistant coach at Adelaide, former football manager Chris Connolly and chief executive Cameron Schwab.

The lawyers argue that other clubs should also be targeted.

Thomas told Fairfax Media the AFL would be wise to avoid possible legal action and said priority draft picks in their former guise were no longer needed.

''The AFL should just call an amnesty and say, 'OK, we recognise it's probably past its use-by date, it served a purpose, it then became exploited by teams and clubs, not just one, and given the exploitation and pushing the spirit of the strategy, it probably warrants that we take it off the table and move on','' he said.

''That's all they need to do. They don't need to make this mountain out of a molehill and grandstand.

''I see Andrew Demetriou has said things like, 'If he finds anyone tampering with the game results, they won't have a job in the AFL'. I find that a very interesting comment given the lengths the AFL go to to manipulate results, directly and indirectly.

''If we are not careful we will go from being a competition to a manipulated, orchestrated theatre production. That's what my concern is.

''For them to grandstand now and beat the desk and say, 'If there are any integrity issues we will take them to task', if I was Melbourne I would say, 'Whistle Dixie AFL, we will see you in court'.''

Thomas had earlier tweeted that the AFL would not want to head to court. ''AFL is putting themselves into a corner with tanking saga that will eventually expose their own behavior & test their strategies legally,'' he tweeted. ''Any decent senior counsel would be able to rip the AFL apart in a witness box. Honorable Andy won't want to get in the box - GUARANTEED!''

Thomas said players were determined to win but club officials could affect the outcome of games. He also said the lure of priority picks was to blame for tanking.

Under AFL rules at the time, the Demons received draft picks one and two after two successive seasons of managing no more than 16 premiership points. They used these selections on Tom Scully, now with Greater Western Sydney, and Jack Trengove.

''It's impractical for them [AFL] to level that accusation [tanking] against someone or an organization when you have a scenario that when you are on four [winning] games and you win another one, you don't get the draft pick,'' Thomas said.

That method of securing priority picks has been abolished. It is now up to the AFL Commission to decide on a case-by-case basis.

The AFL's head office is closed until next week.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/c ... z2HVQTPds2

No longer any integrity in the Sport of AFL, A Theater company and not a sporting competition, could not have put it better myself...................... =D> =D>

[Xman]

Scanning....Grant Thomas

Would say anything to have a crack at AFL house. Credibility zero.

Also, he says "if we are not careful..."

[Raiderdave]

GRANT Thomas has called for the AFL to open an amnesty on tanking, and believes the league is in danger of becoming an ''orchestrated theatre company'' because of its rulings.

Thomas has appeared to re-open his feud with AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou, declaring the AFL boss would not want to appear in court to justify claims that Melbourne had tanked in 2009.

The former St Kilda coach suggested late last year he would no longer participate in media debate after stepping down from his role on Channel Nine's Footy Classified.

But Thomas was prompted to turn his focus on the AFL after Fairfax Media revealed details of an 800-page report by league investigators into claims the Demons had worked to lose matches.

The club has until the end of January to respond.

Lawyers for Melbourne argue there is no clear definition of tanking, and believe the club would win any court case if the league confirms charges against former coach Dean Bailey, now an assistant coach at Adelaide, former football manager Chris Connolly and chief executive Cameron Schwab.

The lawyers argue that other clubs should also be targeted.

Thomas told Fairfax Media the AFL would be wise to avoid possible legal action and said priority draft picks in their former guise were no longer needed.

''The AFL should just call an amnesty and say, 'OK, we recognise it's probably past its use-by date, it served a purpose, it then became exploited by teams and clubs, not just one, and given the exploitation and pushing the spirit of the strategy, it probably warrants that we take it off the table and move on','' he said.

''That's all they need to do. They don't need to make this mountain out of a molehill and grandstand.

''I see Andrew Demetriou has said things like, 'If he finds anyone tampering with the game results, they won't have a job in the AFL'. I find that a very interesting comment given the lengths the AFL go to to manipulate results, directly and indirectly.

''If we are not careful we will go from being a competition to a manipulated, orchestrated theatre production. That's what my concern is.

''For them to grandstand now and beat the desk and say, 'If there are any integrity issues we will take them to task', if I was Melbourne I would say, 'Whistle Dixie AFL, we will see you in court'.''

Thomas had earlier tweeted that the AFL would not want to head to court. ''AFL is putting themselves into a corner with tanking saga that will eventually expose their own behavior & test their strategies legally,'' he tweeted. ''Any decent senior counsel would be able to rip the AFL apart in a witness box. Honorable Andy won't want to get in the box - GUARANTEED!''

Thomas said players were determined to win but club officials could affect the outcome of games. He also said the lure of priority picks was to blame for tanking.

Under AFL rules at the time, the Demons received draft picks one and two after two successive seasons of managing no more than 16 premiership points. They used these selections on Tom Scully, now with Greater Western Sydney, and Jack Trengove.

''It's impractical for them [AFL] to level that accusation [tanking] against someone or an organization when you have a scenario that when you are on four [winning] games and you win another one, you don't get the draft pick,'' Thomas said.

That method of securing priority picks has been abolished. It is now up to the AFL Commission to decide on a case-by-case basis.

The AFL's head office is closed until next week.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/c ... z2HVQTPds2

No longer any integrity in the Sport of AFL, A Theater company and not a sporting competition, could not have put it better myself...................... =D> =D>

=D> =D> =D>
exactly what Leaguies have been accusing the VFL of being for years .... a manipulated ... orchestrated .... pile of puke
from clubs not being on the same salary cap
to rigging the draw
to rigging the draft
to rigging games

and now people within the sport are saying the same thing

when will the brain washed gimps who follow this tripe of a comp ... wake the Fuck up

[piesman2011]

GRANT Thomas has called for the AFL to open an amnesty on tanking, and believes the league is in danger of becoming an ''orchestrated theatre company'' because of its rulings.

Thomas has appeared to re-open his feud with AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou, declaring the AFL boss would not want to appear in court to justify claims that Melbourne had tanked in 2009.

The former St Kilda coach suggested late last year he would no longer participate in media debate after stepping down from his role on Channel Nine's Footy Classified.

But Thomas was prompted to turn his focus on the AFL after Fairfax Media revealed details of an 800-page report by league investigators into claims the Demons had worked to lose matches.

The club has until the end of January to respond.

Lawyers for Melbourne argue there is no clear definition of tanking, and believe the club would win any court case if the league confirms charges against former coach Dean Bailey, now an assistant coach at Adelaide, former football manager Chris Connolly and chief executive Cameron Schwab.

The lawyers argue that other clubs should also be targeted.

Thomas told Fairfax Media the AFL would be wise to avoid possible legal action and said priority draft picks in their former guise were no longer needed.

''The AFL should just call an amnesty and say, 'OK, we recognise it's probably past its use-by date, it served a purpose, it then became exploited by teams and clubs, not just one, and given the exploitation and pushing the spirit of the strategy, it probably warrants that we take it off the table and move on','' he said.

''That's all they need to do. They don't need to make this mountain out of a molehill and grandstand.

''I see Andrew Demetriou has said things like, 'If he finds anyone tampering with the game results, they won't have a job in the AFL'. I find that a very interesting comment given the lengths the AFL go to to manipulate results, directly and indirectly.

''If we are not careful we will go from being a competition to a manipulated, orchestrated theatre production. That's what my concern is.

''For them to grandstand now and beat the desk and say, 'If there are any integrity issues we will take them to task', if I was Melbourne I would say, 'Whistle Dixie AFL, we will see you in court'.''

Thomas had earlier tweeted that the AFL would not want to head to court. ''AFL is putting themselves into a corner with tanking saga that will eventually expose their own behavior & test their strategies legally,'' he tweeted. ''Any decent senior counsel would be able to rip the AFL apart in a witness box. Honorable Andy won't want to get in the box - GUARANTEED!''

Thomas said players were determined to win but club officials could affect the outcome of games. He also said the lure of priority picks was to blame for tanking.

Under AFL rules at the time, the Demons received draft picks one and two after two successive seasons of managing no more than 16 premiership points. They used these selections on Tom Scully, now with Greater Western Sydney, and Jack Trengove.

''It's impractical for them [AFL] to level that accusation [tanking] against someone or an organization when you have a scenario that when you are on four [winning] games and you win another one, you don't get the draft pick,'' Thomas said.

That method of securing priority picks has been abolished. It is now up to the AFL Commission to decide on a case-by-case basis.

The AFL's head office is closed until next week.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/c ... z2HVQTPds2

No longer any integrity in the Sport of AFL, A Theater company and not a sporting competition, could not have put it better myself...................... =D> =D>

=D> =D> =D>
exactly what Leaguies have been accusing the VFL of being for years .... a manipulated ... orchestrated .... pile of puke
from clubs not being on the same salary cap to rigging the draw
to rigging the draft
to rigging games

and now people within the sport are saying the same thing

when will the brain washed gimps who follow this tripe of a comp ... wake the Fuck up

Some Aussie footy supporters have been saying that RL is an unskilled boring run forward pass backward load of crap, played by no neck fat men who like to stick fingers up each others bums. But what would people like that know about your sport? same goes for RL supporters commentating on Aussie rules. RL supporters dont know what they are talking about because they are commentating on something you dont even watch.

[Xman]

GRANT Thomas has called for the AFL to open an amnesty on tanking, and believes the league is in danger of becoming an ''orchestrated theatre company'' because of its rulings.

Thomas has appeared to re-open his feud with AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou, declaring the AFL boss would not want to appear in court to justify claims that Melbourne had tanked in 2009.

The former St Kilda coach suggested late last year he would no longer participate in media debate after stepping down from his role on Channel Nine's Footy Classified.

But Thomas was prompted to turn his focus on the AFL after Fairfax Media revealed details of an 800-page report by league investigators into claims the Demons had worked to lose matches.

The club has until the end of January to respond.

Lawyers for Melbourne argue there is no clear definition of tanking, and believe the club would win any court case if the league confirms charges against former coach Dean Bailey, now an assistant coach at Adelaide, former football manager Chris Connolly and chief executive Cameron Schwab.

The lawyers argue that other clubs should also be targeted.

Thomas told Fairfax Media the AFL would be wise to avoid possible legal action and said priority draft picks in their former guise were no longer needed.

''The AFL should just call an amnesty and say, 'OK, we recognise it's probably past its use-by date, it served a purpose, it then became exploited by teams and clubs, not just one, and given the exploitation and pushing the spirit of the strategy, it probably warrants that we take it off the table and move on','' he said.

''That's all they need to do. They don't need to make this mountain out of a molehill and grandstand.

''I see Andrew Demetriou has said things like, 'If he finds anyone tampering with the game results, they won't have a job in the AFL'. I find that a very interesting comment given the lengths the AFL go to to manipulate results, directly and indirectly.

''If we are not careful we will go from being a competition to a manipulated, orchestrated theatre production. That's what my concern is.

''For them to grandstand now and beat the desk and say, 'If there are any integrity issues we will take them to task', if I was Melbourne I would say, 'Whistle Dixie AFL, we will see you in court'.''

Thomas had earlier tweeted that the AFL would not want to head to court. ''AFL is putting themselves into a corner with tanking saga that will eventually expose their own behavior & test their strategies legally,'' he tweeted. ''Any decent senior counsel would be able to rip the AFL apart in a witness box. Honorable Andy won't want to get in the box - GUARANTEED!''

Thomas said players were determined to win but club officials could affect the outcome of games. He also said the lure of priority picks was to blame for tanking.

Under AFL rules at the time, the Demons received draft picks one and two after two successive seasons of managing no more than 16 premiership points. They used these selections on Tom Scully, now with Greater Western Sydney, and Jack Trengove.

''It's impractical for them [AFL] to level that accusation [tanking] against someone or an organization when you have a scenario that when you are on four [winning] games and you win another one, you don't get the draft pick,'' Thomas said.

That method of securing priority picks has been abolished. It is now up to the AFL Commission to decide on a case-by-case basis.

The AFL's head office is closed until next week.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/c ... z2HVQTPds2

No longer any integrity in the Sport of AFL, A Theater company and not a sporting competition, could not have put it better myself...................... =D> =D>

=D> =D> =D>
exactly what Leaguies have been accusing the VFL of being for years .... a manipulated ... orchestrated .... pile of puke
from clubs not being on the same salary cap
to rigging the draw
to rigging the draft
to rigging games

and now people within the sport are saying the same thing

when will the brain washed gimps who follow this tripe of a comp ... wake the Fuck up

Except he doesn't actually say this. He suggest it may happen if things rant addressed

The NRL is rigged to benefit the storm and the broncos, shafting teams like the raiders.

[Raiderdave]

No longer any integrity in the Sport of AFL, A Theater company and not a sporting competition, could not have put it better myself...................... =D> =D>

=D> =D> =D>
exactly what Leaguies have been accusing the VFL of being for years .... a manipulated ... orchestrated .... pile of puke
from clubs not being on the same salary cap to rigging the draw
to rigging the draft
to rigging games

and now people within the sport are saying the same thing

when will the brain washed gimps who follow this tripe of a comp ... wake the Fuck up

Some Aussie footy supporters have been saying that RL is an unskilled boring run forward pass backward load of crap, played by no neck fat men who like to stick fingers up each others bums. But what would people like that know about your sport? same goes for RL supporters commentating on Aussie rules. RL supporters dont know what they are talking about because they are commentating on something you dont even watch.

ah.... thats an opinion

it has nothing to do with facts
& it is a fact .... that the VFL is a manipulated ... orchestrated .... pile of puke

for the reasons mentioned
now
VFL coaches & officials are saying the same thing

Vlad

" if anyone manipulates a result in the VFL .. they'll be hell to pay "

VFL coaches
" ahhhh.... Vlad , the V FL has been doing that for 30 years !!"





VFL... a pile of puke

[Raiderdave]

No longer any integrity in the Sport of AFL, A Theater company and not a sporting competition, could not have put it better myself...................... =D> =D>

=D> =D> =D>
exactly what Leaguies have been accusing the VFL of being for years .... a manipulated ... orchestrated .... pile of puke
from clubs not being on the same salary cap
to rigging the draw
to rigging the draft
to rigging games

and now people within the sport are saying the same thing

when will the brain washed gimps who follow this tripe of a comp ... wake the Fuck up

The NRL is rigged to benefit the storm and the broncos, shafting teams like the raiders.

what rot..

we don't have a draft so our sides don't need to run " soft"
we don't allow sides to have a larger salary cap ... not a penny more to any side in our comp
& any side that gets shafted in the draw seemingly overcomes this to make the 8 anyway ... Sharks / Raiders etc

NRL.... integrity
VFL... a pile of puke

[Stewie]

Those poor Raiders On LU it looks like they've all had enough with the nRL administration who continue to forget about their fans.

[Xman]

=D> =D> =D>
exactly what Leaguies have been accusing the VFL of being for years .... a manipulated ... orchestrated .... pile of puke
from clubs not being on the same salary cap
to rigging the draw
to rigging the draft
to rigging games

and now people within the sport are saying the same thing

when will the brain washed gimps who follow this tripe of a comp ... wake the Fuck up

The NRL is rigged to benefit the storm and the broncos, shafting teams like the raiders.

what rot..

we don't have a draft so our sides don't need to run " soft"
we don't allow sides to have a larger salary cap ... not a penny more to any side in our comp
& any side that gets shafted in the draw seemingly overcomes this to make the 8 anyway ... Sharks / Raiders etc

NRL.... integrity
VFL... a pile of puke

The nfl and NBA have drafts....
Melbourne and Qld sides have an advantage in the salary cap due to cheaper cost of living. The Broncos are handed media exposure on a plate and remain by far the strongest club to benefit the nRL financially. The broncos also benefit from a better draw.

Integrity......

[eelofwest]

No longer any integrity in the Sport of AFL, A Theater company and not a sporting competition, could not have put it better myself...................... =D> =D>

=D> =D> =D>
exactly what Leaguies have been accusing the VFL of being for years .... a manipulated ... orchestrated .... pile of puke
from clubs not being on the same salary cap to rigging the draw
to rigging the draft
to rigging games

and now people within the sport are saying the same thing

when will the brain washed gimps who follow this tripe of a comp ... wake the Fuck up

Some Aussie footy supporters have been saying that RL is an unskilled boring run forward pass backward load of crap, played by no neck fat men who like to stick fingers up each others bums. But what would people like that know about your sport? same goes for RL supporters commentating on Aussie rules. RL supporters dont know what they are talking about because they are commentating on something you dont even watch.

Only problem with your analysis is that this is coming from a AFL man and has been for quite some time, when will the AFL gimps wake up to reality seriously....................

[Xman]

Except the AFL person you quoted has an obvious agenda and will criticise anything AFL whether its reasonable or not. He is roundly ignored

[Raiderdave]

Except the AFL person you quoted has an obvious agenda and will criticise anything AFL whether its reasonable or not. He is roundly ignored

but but , but but

but but but

but but

VFL .. orchestrated ... puke

[QueenslandISAFL]

Except the AFL person you quoted has an obvious agenda and will criticise anything AFL whether its reasonable or not. He is roundly ignored

but but , but but

but but but

but but

VFL .. orchestrated ... puke

Well, atleast you tried

[eelofwest]

Except the AFL person you quoted has an obvious agenda and will criticise anything AFL whether its reasonable or not. He is roundly ignored

but but , but but

but but but

but but

VFL .. orchestrated ... puke

Cometti: AFL must rethink tank

The AFL's determination to pursue Melbourne over 'tanking' allegations continues like a misguided missile.

Right now the strategy seems to be that in the absence of a Plan B it's best simply to try harder on Plan A.

It's a plan unlikely to work unless, like the AFL, you happen to be a judicial one-man band!

In recent days Melbourne chief executive Cameron Schwab, football manager Chris Connolly and former coach Dean Bailey were all given until the end of the month to give reason to the AFL why they should not be charged.

Yet no mention in this murky business of Jim Stynes!

Is it seriously being suggested the legendary Stynes was not a 'hands on' president?

I find the inference he was not a party to 'tanking' and that somehow he was duped by his own staff equally insulting to his memory.

Regardless, even the concept of 'tanking' is shadowy, and raises questions as to AFL oversight of coaching at all 18 clubs.

Often there's a thin line between genius and ridicule (consider something like Shane Ellen's role in the 1997 grand final).

The league should take a deep breath before getting involved in a round of finger-pointing that, who knows, could lead all the way to having a black box in the coaches box.

But as I've said before the real flaw in all of this can be found in western Sydney.

Expansion team GWS 'earned' top pick in last year's national draft. What a orchestrated disgrace GWS have become.....

It did so by giving everybody on its list 'a go', by making umpteen changes every week and by selecting far from their most competitive side on a regular basis. =D>

You might remember they even came to Perth last season having 'rested' all their experienced players. =D>

We watched, and, dare I say, accepted that learning on the job and finding out who can play and who can't has its place in an elite sports competition. But If it does, then surely you can't have one rule for the old (Melbourne) and one rule for the new (GWS).

And unfortunately for the AFL it has its fingerprints all over GWS. It is virtually the league's baby!

I think the doubts surrounding Melbourne should be used for good. Accept that 'the glass is half dirty', forgive and forget and legislate our way out of this.

We need to dismantle a draft system that incentivises losers and guarantees outcomes for consistent losing.

At the risk of repeating myself, the AFL need look no further than the National Basketball Association in the United States.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/br ... hink-tank/

Orchestrated entertainment company ie WWE................................