Talking Footy

When is the first written record of the Drop Kick & the Drop Punt being used and by whom in Australian RL? I watch a little RL but know enough to know I now very little. Their skills in the drop punt would appear to me to be becoming more skillful.
See below the first records, I have found re who first kicked the Drop Punt/Stab Punt in Australian Rules Football. I have found no record of who, in Australian Rules Football, first used the drop kick. Have you?
WHO INVENTED THE DROP PUNT IN AUSTRALIAN RULES FOOTBALL?
Hugh Hinks invented the Drop Punt in 1907. " In The Beginning There Was Carisbrook" by Daryl McLeish, 2001. See pages 342 and 347,Picture of Hugh Hinks.
The next recorded is Horrie Clover of Carisbrook, then Carlton, 1920-24 & 1926-31. Despite claims to the contrary, Carlton believed that Clover invented the drop punt. Teammate Newton Chandler believed that Clover first saw the kick used by a teammate at Carisbrook and that he perfected it from there. Page 133 The Encyclopedia of AFL Footballers, Sixth Edition.
Len Metherell, who made his debut in 1930, certainly used the drop punt, and indicated that he had learned it from his father. Recently unearthed in the Australian newspaper a report of the Williamstown v Geelong match at Corio on 26 July in 1884, it is recorded that Julian, of Geelong scored his goal by a new drop kick. Some historians have speculated that this may have been a drop punt. As an unusual footnote, a newspaper report of 1958 makes interesting reading. With the retirement of Dyer in 1949 the drop punt gradually fell into disuse. When Bartle, of Geelong, took a spectacular mark five meters from goal in 1958 and kicked a behind, the Geelong advertiser admonishes:… he foolishly tried a drop punt. 3AW Book of Footy Records 1989 page195/6
Next recorded use was by the Collier Brothers see Page 195 3AW Book of Footy Records.
Jack Dyer adapted the Collier Brothers of Collingwood's Drop Punt, which they used as a short pass of around ten yards in place of a hand pass. They only used it to pass the ball to each other over the head of an opponent. See Jack Dyer Captain Blood as told to Brian Hanson, Paul, (London), 1965.
You will notice that the Collier Brothers and Jack Dyer knew of the drop punt as a short pass but did nothing extra with it. It took myself about six months of football season time to kick the Drop Punt as a Field Pass at full pace and invent The Stab Punt.
Next recorded use was by Jack Dyer. The Sporting Globe FOOTBALL Book 1948. Page 49: Jack Dyer gets goals with the sillies looking kick in football history.
Page 195 3AW Book of Footy Records ("…Dyer has indicated that he picked up the idea from the Collier brothers, of Collingwood.")
The Stab kick discovered in Tasmania in 1902.
So from 1902 no one did anything extra with the stab kick till Jim, a 15 year old country school kid, converted it into a stab punt in May 1949. DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME, 1902 till 1949, APPROXIMATELY 7000 FOOTBALERS PLAYED VFL FOOTBALL. THIS INCLUDES LEGENDS AND MOST VFL COACHES OF THIS TIME.
See google "Stab Punt Jim ” for further information. James Johnson. Melbourne High School 1st Eighteen Football Colours and 1st Eleven Cricket Team 1950.
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Xman wrote: Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:33 pm

Dogs wrote:

As I see it, I said "Yet another thing to prove your game is really not that hard and RL boys are more skillful" as opposed to your 0 value add to prove otherwise. Whenever you guys talk skill, you talk about kicking the ball. The only skill you talk about is kicking and here it is. The challenge is kicking the ball (both codes), so your point is .

Yet, another thing that makes a mockery of your game. Karmichael was a good league player. 3rd choice fullback for Aust, 2nd choice for QLD and now a player in his second year of your game and is having success.

Comment from below article: They can’t really let you know if a player had a fair dinkum crack. Hunt did, and his coach Guy McKenna singled him out as one of the few Suns to have shined on an otherwise dark night.
http://www.AFL.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

The ball skills in general are far better in the AFL than the nrl.They have to be because the ball is constantly delivered and received to and from players with a direct opponent. If a 50m pass to a leading forward isn't accurate to within a few feet the ball will miss the target or be an easy spoil for the defender. The entire game relies on these skills for a team to progress and hopefully score. Sure, there are kicks to targets in RL but they are usually short and looking at the scores, rarely successful.

The majority of passes in RL are tnot layers who have no direct opponent. Therefore they are easier because there is no defender to spoil the pass if its slightly off. They're also short throws which are obviously much shorter than a kick and therefore have more margin for error.

Catching or marking is another issue. In RL the passes by hand are received uncontested. Seriously catching a throw is hardly difficult. The ball travels little distance, so judgment of the flight is far less. The speed of the pass is far less than a kick. AFL players are required to catch a ball traveling 50-60metres in the air with a defender right there to spoil the catch. The skill required to judge the catch and beat the opponent is far greater.

Ere is no comparison of ball skills between the codes, none at all.

Man you can drop the ball as much as you like in AFL and you get to kick at 3 huge goals with no crossbar.
AFL has the largest goals of any sport on the planet.
Plus there is no strict boundary line rule like Gridiron, Union and League.

To top it off no AFL player has ever been able to make first grade Rugby League while AFL tries to poach our players.

Not only that AFL clubs are employing top former League players for their clubs like Billy Slater and Cooper Cronk.