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The suns made a profit yet are need massive financial support by the AFL...

Xman wrote:

King-Eliagh wrote:

Xman wrote:

Buzz: Wasn't it a marketing ploy more than buying footy talent?

Andrew: It was both. With Karmichael we were confident he could play. He was identified as a junior. His marketability has exceeded our expectations. It's fantastic what he's done in the community. Israel was more of a risk because he hasn't played but, because of his superb athleticism, he's getting better and better every day. He's also been fantastic in helping us promote the game. But it doesn't mean we are going after more NRL players. We're in the market for talented athletes from our traditional pathways. We get some from other sports, like those who chose us over cricket or basketball. We've got 850 jobs to fill. We get them from overseas. We've got a player from Sudan and we've got about seven or eight Irish lads. We're certainly not out there sourcing more NRL players.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 6291160830

Hmmm, Karmichael cant play, he's undeniably proven that in his first season. He likes the money though. Israel perhaps can play. So what does this say about those bosses down at AFL HQ? Laughing stock, thats what it says.

And I'd like to see proof/outcomes relating to the millions karmichael receives for taking the spot of a bloke who's played the game since 5 yrs old and is far better qualified. That is, apart from a few school/"community" trips where Khunt shows a few kicks and takes a few uncontested marks. I could do that His name is no longer of interest amongst school kids of all ethnic groups who follow league. He's been out for years so this "community" work is basically a waste of time. Clever blokes down there at AFL HQ

He was ordinary last year. So far this year he's looked good in the preseason game playing in the midfield. He looks far fitter now. He just wasn't fit enough last year and doesn't have the speed or size to play in defense or attack.

I think you'll find it wasnt speed or size which let him down doofus. It was ability. There are heaps of players shorter and slower than khunt in the forwards and backs Xman you gumby head. Do you even understand or watch the sport??? You know nothin.

King-Eliagh wrote:

Xman wrote:

King-Eliagh wrote:

Hmmm, Karmichael cant play, he's undeniably proven that in his first season. He likes the money though. Israel perhaps can play. So what does this say about those bosses down at AFL HQ? Laughing stock, thats what it says.

And I'd like to see proof/outcomes relating to the millions karmichael receives for taking the spot of a bloke who's played the game since 5 yrs old and is far better qualified. That is, apart from a few school/"community" trips where Khunt shows a few kicks and takes a few uncontested marks. I could do that His name is no longer of interest amongst school kids of all ethnic groups who follow league. He's been out for years so this "community" work is basically a waste of time. Clever blokes down there at AFL HQ

He was ordinary last year. So far this year he's looked good in the preseason game playing in the midfield. He looks far fitter now. He just wasn't fit enough last year and doesn't have the speed or size to play in defense or attack.

I think you'll find it wasnt speed or size which let him down doofus. It was ability. There are heaps of players shorter and slower than khunt in the forwards and backs Xman you gumby head. Do you even understand or watch the sport??? You know nothin.

You know nothing and obviously don't play AR's!

KHunt was played in defence hoping this would take advantage of his defensive skills, but he's only 186cm tall! So when he was matched up on small forwards he got towelled up because he was just way too slow, with those big fat thighs! Yet when he played on the taller forwards he was way too short and got smashed by them as well.

He has finally shed some more kilo's and gained something close to the fitness required of an elite athlete and is now able to play bursts in the midfield where he can use his body as an in and under type.

Ah let me repeat. I think you'll find it was his skills that let him down. Khunt played league at fullback, he was quick then so his speed during his first season would have therefore been equal to or above the majority of those small forwards he played against. Do you think 100metre sprinters have similar leg muscles to AFL players? You numb idiot! Their legs are much more similar to a league back such as khunts. Khunt just doesn't know how to use his speed, or how to position himself.

Secondly, and I kindof repeat myself here, there are been many other backs who are the same height as Khunt who are able to play against taller forwards.

Xman do I have to show you Khunts stats to prove to you the guy is useless? Why are you making excuses for him? Do you honestly believe he'll be a worthwhile player on the GC roster this season?

Xman, you're either kidding yourself or know nothing of your favourite sport Which is it?

King-Eliagh wrote:

Ah let me repeat. I think you'll find it was his skills that let him down. Khunt played league at fullback, he was quick then so his speed during his first season would have therefore been equal to or above the majority of those small forwards he played against. Do you think 100metre sprinters have similar leg muscles to AFL players? You numb idiot! Their legs are much more similar to a league back such as khunts. Khunt just doesn't know how to use his speed, or how to position himself.

Secondly, and I kindof repeat myself here, there are been many other backs who are the same height as Khunt who are able to play against taller forwards.

Xman do I have to show you Khunts stats to prove to you the guy is useless? Why are you making excuses for him? Do you honestly believe he'll be a worthwhile player on the GC roster this season?

Xman, you're either kidding yourself or know nothing of your favourite sport Which is it?

His skills were not the issue. He didn't get the ball enough to show if he had any. His only job was to stop his opponent getting the ball. The small forwards just ran rings around him. The tall forwards just leaped over the top of him. He was too slow to play on small forwards and too short to play on key forwards.

Xman wrote:

King-Eliagh wrote:

Xman, you're either kidding yourself or know nothing of your favourite sport Which is it?

His skills were not the issue. He didn't get the ball enough to show if he had any. His only job was to stop his opponent getting the ball. The small forwards just ran rings around him. The tall forwards just leaped over the top of him. He was too slow to play on small forwards and too short to play on key forwards.

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Can we start a new activity in here? Dumbest post of the week/month/year. This baby will take out the title for the year!

Xman I thought you said you've played the game before. I think you were telling a doosy there

Xman wrote:

His skills were not the issue. He didn't get the ball enough to show if he had any

Xman, it takes skill to get posession of the ball, much more in fact in Marngrook than in RL as each pass is generally contested.

Xman wrote:

His only job was to stop his opponent getting the ball

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Xman please dont say you've played the game before. Do you really believe at the elite level a coach would say to his backline --- "rightio listen up. Your ONLY job is to stop your opponent getting the ball" --- "Ah then what coach?" --- "nothing thats your only job, now here's your million bucks"

Xman wrote:

The small forwards just ran rings around him. The tall forwards just leaped over the top of him. He was too slow to play on small forwards and too short to play on key forwards.

I've already dealt with the daftness of this post but one more time for the dummies. There's shorter and slower players than Khunt running round getting payed far less and doing a much better job than the KHunt. If you watched the game last season you'll know this.

So what is it Xman? You're kidding yourself or you know nothing of your favourite sport? I tend to think both now

Looking forward to your response buddy

Yawn. I don't care what a clear hater of ARs like you thinks. You have clearly never played the game and your ideas about the game smack of a keyboard hero.


As a defenders your primary job is to stop your opponent! If you do that you have played well. I have seen players awarded BOG for doing that despite getting few possessions themselves. If you pick up a dozen kicks in a quarter and your opponent kicks 10 goals you've played poorly. He effectively did neither. He was so busy trying to stop his opponent kicking goals he didn't have time to get the ball! He had more goals kicked against him than almost any backman I believe. He was too slow for the small forwards and too short for the key forwards to be a defender. I saw a game against Melbourne were Jarra just jumped straight over him again and again. Against the Lions Ash McGraw, a small forward, just ran him into the ground. The few times he got the ball he did ok so his ball skills for a defender were solid enough.

He is leaner again now and should have greater endurance. The midfield will suite him better. In and under players need a solid frame, like Ling or Hocking.

And yes I have played ARs at quite a decent level fwit, not that I have to prove it to a fool like you.

Now dont get all aggro on me now for pointing out how dumb you are.

So you've changed the wording from "ONLY" to "PRIMARY" now. =D> Well done, it seems i;ve taught you a lesson.

As for the rest of our dribble, meh. You simply point out that Khunt has no skills, apart from being "ok" once he got the ball. I'd say to this "ok" ...Wrong again dumbo! Barely any of his disposals were clean, his kick is shocking and innacurate and his turnover rate was huge.

So you think he'll go fairly well this season in the mids? It'll be even worse

A blight on the game and if these folks down at AFL HQ had any sense they wouldnt allow the bucketloads of dosh to continue and ask the gold digger to earn his keep on merit rather than supposed promotional value.

Shall we leave it at that and await Khunts first few games Xman? Or do you have a few more village idiot posts left in you? Either way, I'm happy :D

Ps the sport of Marngrook rules, its just not perfect or perfectly run like dumbos in here seem to think. i'll be watching and playing this season, first trial this weekend :D

King-Eliagh wrote:

Now dont get all aggro on me now for pointing out how dumb you are.

So you've changed the wording from "ONLY" to "PRIMARY" now. =D> Well done, it seems i;ve taught you a lesson.

As for the rest of our dribble, meh. You simply point out that Khunt has no skills, apart from being "ok" once he got the ball. I'd say to this "ok" ...Wrong again dumbo! Barely any of his disposals were clean, his kick is shocking and innacurate and his turnover rate was huge.

So you think he'll go fairly well this season in the mids? It'll be even worse

A blight on the game and if these folks down at AFL HQ had any sense they wouldnt allow the bucketloads of dosh to continue and ask the gold digger to earn his keep on merit rather than supposed promotional value.

Shall we leave it at that and await Khunts first few games Xman? Or do you have a few more village idiot posts left in you? Either way, I'm happy :D

Ps the sport of Marngrook rules, its just not perfect or perfectly run like dumbos in here seem to think. i'll be watching and playing this season, first trial this weekend :D

So you're on you high horse about the terms only and primary. Good for you!

His job as defender was to stop his opponent. Its not unusual for defenders to have lower than average disposals compared to their teammates in the middle or up forward. If they can keep up with their opponent and spoil their attempts to mark they've essentially filled their requirements as defender. I can think of many players across the AFL where this applied. They were excellent at stopping their forward opponent from getting the ball, but didn't really do much with it themselves. However these players were either fast for their size, so they could outpace key forwards, or were extremely quick so they could match it with small forwards, and occasionally play on a mid sized forward because they could jump. KHunt can't do either of these. Too short and too slow.

Interesting you've stated that KHunt has poor ball handling skills. Wasn't he an NRL star? I thought NRL players didn't fumble at all. Don't NRL fans claim that AFL players are poorly skilled and their own players are perfect? What's happened?

That last paragraph has little meaning whatsoever and highlights just how much I've run rings around you over the last few posts. Ahh Xman? Marngrook and RL are totally different games with very different skillsets required.

Now I'll help you out only one more time with this, now read the below and think man!

Man who needs a labotomy wrote:

these players were either fast for their size, so they could outpace key forwards, or were extremely quick so they could match it with small forwards, and occasionally play on a mid sized forward because they could jump. KHunt can't do either of these. Too short and too slow.

Khunt has no problem with his speed or size. He's quick, strong and his height is 6"1. The reason he is outplayed week in week out is because he has a massive lack of skills in the game. He is not too short and slow. There are many players playing for the AFL in the same positions he has played that are shorter and slower.

Now I'm sure you dont disagree with the last sentence I wrote? If you do I'm happy to point some out to you. So assuming you agree you therefore must, as a man who claims to know the game Xman, you must also therefore agree with whole the last paragraph I wrote right?

After a massive slugging which has included clean headbutts, uppercuts and a few kicks square to the goolies, you're pinned Xman! Tap out Xman, tap out!

King-Eliagh wrote:

That last paragraph has little meaning whatsoever and highlights just how much I've run rings around you over the last few posts. Ahh Xman? Marngrook and RL are totally different games with very different skillsets required.

Now I'll help you out only one more time with this, now read the below and think man!

Man who needs a labotomy wrote:

these players were either fast for their size, so they could outpace key forwards, or were extremely quick so they could match it with small forwards, and occasionally play on a mid sized forward because they could jump. KHunt can't do either of these. Too short and too slow.

Khunt has no problem with his speed or size. He's quick, strong and his height is 6"1. The reason he is outplayed week in week out is because he has a massive lack of skills in the game. He is not too short and slow. There are many players playing for the AFL in the same positions he has played that are shorter and slower.

Now I'm sure you dont disagree with the last sentence I wrote? If you do I'm happy to point some out to you. So assuming you agree you therefore must, as a man who claims to know the game Xman, you must also therefore agree with whole the last paragraph I wrote right?

After a massive slugging which has included clean headbutts, uppercuts and a few kicks square to the goolies, you're pinned Xman! Tap out Xman, tap out!

Too short to play on key forwards like buddy Franklin. Too slow to play on small forwards like Matthew stokes. Infant he's probably too slow to play on buddy Franklin too.

I can think of a few players shorter and slower, but not defenders! A classic example was Diesel Williams for Carlton/Sydney who was a midfielder. But he was good because he wasn't accountable for an opponent like a defender is. Get it yet stupid?

So you agree that ARs requires excellent ball handling skills? Good. Tell your loser friends Like Dave!

End of story.

Xman wrote:

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I can think of a few players shorter and slower, but not defenders! A classic example was Diesel Williams for Carlton/Sydney who was a midfielder. But he was good because he wasn't accountable for an opponent like a defender is. Get it yet stupid?
...End of story.

No we're not at the end of the story Xman, we're right in the middle and things are just starting to get exciting. Since when have you been following the AFL competition? I've only been following it on and off for the past 10 years. And guess what? I thought of a defender who is slower and shorter than Khunt in a second after reading the above. Leo Barry. A legend of the game. Shorter than Khunt and perhaps as quick in his younger years but definitely not quicker than Khunt in his last 4 or 5 years. Shall we continue your embarrassment Xman or shall we open this book again in a few weeks time?

*while having Xman totally pinned KE grabs Xman's forearm and makes Xman slap himself across the cheek a few time Tap out Xman, tap out!

King-Eliagh wrote:

Xman wrote:

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I can think of a few players shorter and slower, but not defenders! A classic example was Diesel Williams for Carlton/Sydney who was a midfielder. But he was good because he wasn't accountable for an opponent like a defender is. Get it yet stupid?
...End of story.

No we're not at the end of the story Xman, we're right in the middle and things are just starting to get exciting. Since when have you been following the AFL competition? I've only been following it on and off for the past 10 years. And guess what? I thought of a defender who is slower and shorter than Khunt in a second after reading the above. Leo Barry. A legend of the game. Shorter than Khunt and perhaps as quick in his younger years but definitely not quicker than Khunt in his last 4 or 5 years. Shall we continue your embarrassment Xman or shall we open this book again in a few weeks time?

*while having Xman totally pinned KE grabs Xman's forearm and makes Xman slap himself across the cheek a few time Tap out Xman, tap out!

Oh dear, you really do know nothing about ARs

Leo Barry was a great defender for one reason, he was fast enough to stay with his opponent and had a big enough jump to spoil the contest! His disposal skills were actually average. He wasn't called "leaping Leo" for nothing!!

He is not a good comparison with KHunt, who can barely jump and is too slow to stay with his opponent. Why do you think he leaked so many goals against players of different shapes and sizes?

But thatnks for this example. It helped me prove my point!

Leo was awesome at disposals, shall I look up his average per game and make a fool of you again Xman? Khunt is faster than Leo was you silly chump Xman. And leo was shorter than Khunt. So your slow and short argument has been blown out of the ground by yours truly. :D

As for the leap well that's something Khunt could do with but unfortunately even if he had it, he still wouldnt have the skills to make a decent player of himself this season, or next, thats 2million + the million last season kerching down the gurglar.

I still cant believe you think the guy is worthwhile on the roster Xman. Dear oh deary me, what is your problem? I';m telling you a labotomoy could do wonders.

King-Eliagh wrote:

Leo was awesome at disposals, shall I look up his average per game and make a fool of you again Xman? Khunt is faster than Leo was you silly chump Xman. And leo was shorter than Khunt. So your slow and short argument has been blown out of the ground by yours truly. :D

As for the leap well that's something Khunt could do with but unfortunately even if he had it, he still wouldnt have the skills to make a decent player of himself this season, or next, thats 2million + the million last season kerching down the gurglar.

I still cant believe you think the guy is worthwhile on the roster Xman. Dear oh deary me, what is your problem? I';m telling you a labotomoy could do wonders.

Leo was an average disposer of the ball. If he was excellent he would have played in the forward line, especially because he could leap!

KHunt was played in the defense to maximize his defensive skills from RL. Unfortunately his lack height and jump made it impossible for him to beat tall forwards, and his lack of pace off the mark impossible to beat small forwards. Hence he was roundly beaten by forwards of all shapes and sizes.

He is better suited to the midfield because there is a role for a strong body who can get find the ball and pass it to running receivers around him. Recent players in the league with such skill sets include Heath Hocking ( strong but slow with average disposals) and Cameron Ling (slow, but strong with average disposals).

He will need to improve his endurance though, which I believe he is now doing, after a number of AFL seasons.