Talking Footy

Xman wrote:

pussycat wrote:

Xman wrote:

the gap means nothing when you have a longer season, more games per season, and more games per round. On a game v game basis you consistently get spanked in ratings, and mutilated for everything else

Just how desperate for success are you? you've had to resort to flat out lying now have you?

AFL matches 198 matches.
RL matches 192 + 3 Origin matches + 2 tests = 197matches.

AFL FTA matches = 88matches
RL FTA matches = 72 + 3 Origin matches + 2 Tests = 77matches.

AFL about 500 hours or 300thousand minutes
RL about 210 hours or 126thousand minutes.


But But But

How many of those 88 FTA matches are shown nationally? How many of the NRLs are?

Theres your answer right there

FTA

Melbourne - 4 matches a round
Adelaide - 4 sometimes 5 matches a round
Perth - 4 sometimes 5 matches a round
Sydney - 4 sometimes 5 matches a round
Brisbane - 4 sometimes 5 matches a round

That's Right, There's your answer right there

But But But

More BS. The audience cant see all 198 matches, unless you watch 2 TVs at the same time, which would never be counted by OZtam anyway. The total is closer to 140 matches.

Xman wrote:

Darren wrote:

Gee Xman most of what you say is just plain wrong. By Wookie's figures the NRL is about 10 mill in front this year despite playing 13 fewer games. And the average per game is way ahead of AFL. Now that I think of it you are actually wrong on every point.

we've discussed this before and you just ignore it. The AFL dont have 9 watchable games per weekend, only 6 at most, while the NRL have 8. So divide that by the total and see who is ahead

So you are saying that to get averages the AFL has to divide the total by 6 only or they divide 6 into the total of only 6 games per week? Either way you are doing contortions to manufacture a better result for the AFL.

Surely all games count. Surely the AFL and the broadcasters put games on to maximise ratings. If they don't that's their problem and they should schedule smarter. Your argument fails on every level and a lot of what you say is just plain wrong.

The_Wookie wrote:

it must be asked...where did the other 480 thousand melbourne viewers go

Is that not like saying, Where do the viewers go after the AFL Grand Final ??

sydney and brisbane viewers tune in for that but disappear for normal games. its exactly the same

Its a BIG Event so everyone tunes in..

unfortunately the AFL only has the 1 big event..

the NRL 4

Xman wrote:

More BS. The audience cant see all 198 matches, unless you watch 2 TVs at the same time, which would never be counted by OZtam anyway. The total is closer to 140 matches.

if the AFL does not do this and shows the same game across the nation..

it does not rate into PERTH and WA.. unless the home teams are playing, there is a min 50% drop

pussycat wrote:

Xman wrote:

pussycat wrote:

Xman wrote:

the gap means nothing when you have a longer season, more games per season, and more games per round. On a game v game basis you consistently get spanked in ratings, and mutilated for everything else

Just how desperate for success are you? you've had to resort to flat out lying now have you?

AFL matches 198 matches.
RL matches 192 + 3 Origin matches + 2 tests = 197matches.

AFL FTA matches = 88matches
RL FTA matches = 72 + 3 Origin matches + 2 Tests = 77matches.

AFL about 500 hours or 300thousand minutes
RL about 210 hours or 126thousand minutes.


But But But

How many of those 88 FTA matches are shown nationally? How many of the NRLs are?

Theres your answer right there

FTA

Melbourne - 4 matches a round
Adelaide - 4 sometimes 5 matches a round
Perth - 4 sometimes 5 matches a round
Sydney - 4 sometimes 5 matches a round
Brisbane - 4 sometimes 5 matches a round

That's Right, There's your answer right there

But But But

Agree. 4 FTA games per weekend, 1 is delayed into Melbourne which offsets the 5 matches into smaller states.

Combine that with a maximum of 6 watchable STV games and the total ratings need to be divided by a far lower figure than 9 games per round

Xman wrote:

The_Wookie wrote:

it must be asked...where did the other 480 thousand melbourne viewers go

like the other 3.2m around the country, theyre waiting for SOO2

lol comparing a MANLY v Raiders game to SOO

how come there is such a big drop after your Grand Final to normal games ??

Easy to answer yeah, cause its the final Event and everyone tunes in..

just a pity the AFL only have 1 where the NRL have 4 and thats not including the internationals

leeroy*NRL* wrote:

The_Wookie wrote:

it must be asked...where did the other 480 thousand melbourne viewers go

Is that not like saying, Where do the viewers go after the AFL Grand Final ??

sydney and brisbane viewers tune in for that but disappear for normal games. its exactly the same

Its a BIG Event so everyone tunes in..

unfortunately the AFL only has the 1 big event..

the NRL 4

Those 4 big event games helps the NRL garner 906k per hour of content annually.

The AFL pulls in 591k per hour of content annually.

Having most of the NRL viewers on the east coast would also add to the price.

leeroy*NRL* wrote:

Xman wrote:

More BS. The audience cant see all 198 matches, unless you watch 2 TVs at the same time, which would never be counted by OZtam anyway. The total is closer to 140 matches.

if the AFL does not do this and shows the same game across the nation..

it does not rate into PERTH and WA.. unless the home teams are playing, there is a min 50% drop

disagree. It totally depends on the games. Melbourne were shown 2 poor Melbourne teams on a Saturday night a few weeks ago while Adelaide were shown a game vs the Swans, which was a near top of the table clash. The fox ratings for the Ad v Syd game were 3 times the Melbourne game showing the national interest was far higher. So showing multiple games actually hurt our ratings not helped them.

So half our homeland didnt see a cracking game on FTA

leeroy*NRL* wrote:

Xman wrote:

The_Wookie wrote:

it must be asked...where did the other 480 thousand melbourne viewers go

like the other 3.2m around the country, theyre waiting for SOO2

lol comparing a MANLY v Raiders game to SOO

how come there is such a big drop after your Grand Final to normal games ??

Easy to answer yeah, cause its the final Event and everyone tunes in..

just a pity the AFL only have 1 where the NRL have 4 and thats not including the internationals

no, almost all your FN games have rated that poorly in Melbourne this year. 450k is great but if its one game it means little for the sport's popularity

Xman wrote:

leeroy*NRL* wrote:

Xman wrote:

More BS. The audience cant see all 198 matches, unless you watch 2 TVs at the same time, which would never be counted by OZtam anyway. The total is closer to 140 matches.

if the AFL does not do this and shows the same game across the nation..

it does not rate into PERTH and WA.. unless the home teams are playing, there is a min 50% drop

disagree. It totally depends on the games. Melbourne were shown 2 poor Melbourne teams on a Saturday night a few weeks ago while Adelaide were shown a game vs the Swans, which was a near top of the table clash. The fox ratings for the Ad v Syd game were 3 times the Melbourne game showing the national interest was far higher. So showing multiple games actually hurt our ratings not helped them.

So half our homeland didnt see a cracking game on FTA

that is the risk you take in scheduling ...

you do not think this does not happen to the NRL

half the games are better on Fox where its restricted to 30%

and ch9 get a bludger of a game and it goes national..

it goes both ways

you lose and you win...

Xman wrote:

leeroy*NRL* wrote:

Xman wrote:

The_Wookie wrote:

it must be asked...where did the other 480 thousand melbourne viewers go

like the other 3.2m around the country, theyre waiting for SOO2

lol comparing a MANLY v Raiders game to SOO

how come there is such a big drop after your Grand Final to normal games ??

Easy to answer yeah, cause its the final Event and everyone tunes in..

just a pity the AFL only have 1 where the NRL have 4 and thats not including the internationals

no, almost all your FN games have rated that poorly in Melbourne this year. 450k is great but if its one game it means little for the sport's popularity

what and getting 30k is sydney is good.. (its because the NRL in melbourne is not on HD and they
are 10-20k are prob watching fox in HD

SOO in melbourne for 3 games out rates sydney clubs ratings

thats embarrasing either way you look at it ...

and yes SOO is a series and its Event television.. but still the victorians tune in

eelofwest wrote:

leeroy*NRL* wrote:

The_Wookie wrote:

it must be asked...where did the other 480 thousand melbourne viewers go

Is that not like saying, Where do the viewers go after the AFL Grand Final ??

sydney and brisbane viewers tune in for that but disappear for normal games. its exactly the same

Its a BIG Event so everyone tunes in..

unfortunately the AFL only has the 1 big event..

the NRL 4

Those 4 big event games helps the NRL garner 906k per hour of content annually.

The AFL pulls in 591k per hour of content annually.

Having most of the NRL viewers on the east coast would also add to the price.

the Truth Hurts

its amazing how the NRL gets close... its almost double the content plus 2 extra teams.

should say to xman where not comparing apples to apples..

leeroy*NRL* wrote:

Xman wrote:

leeroy*NRL* wrote:

Xman wrote:

More BS. The audience cant see all 198 matches, unless you watch 2 TVs at the same time, which would never be counted by OZtam anyway. The total is closer to 140 matches.

if the AFL does not do this and shows the same game across the nation..

it does not rate into PERTH and WA.. unless the home teams are playing, there is a min 50% drop

disagree. It totally depends on the games. Melbourne were shown 2 poor Melbourne teams on a Saturday night a few weeks ago while Adelaide were shown a game vs the Swans, which was a near top of the table clash. The fox ratings for the Ad v Syd game were 3 times the Melbourne game showing the national interest was far higher. So showing multiple games actually hurt our ratings not helped them.

So half our homeland didnt see a cracking game on FTA

that is the risk you take in scheduling ...

you do not think this does not happen to the NRL

half the games are better on Fox where its restricted to 30%

and ch9 get a bludger of a game and it goes national..

it goes both ways

you lose and you win...

and you lose far more when only 1 of your 9 games is shown on FTA nationally compared to your 3. Look at this FN, Hawthorn v Essendon, probably the worst game of the year yet the only game shown nationally for the weekend on FTA

Yes both codes face this issue yet the AFLs total is being divided by every game which is just not correct. 1 FTA game is national and only 6 STV games are viewable.

Our FTA total should be divided by 4, and our STV total divided by 6 to get a better indication of our real average.

A classic example is our FTA average is a dismal 290k despite the fact we average nearly 900k on FTA on FN. Do you really think our national FTA audience is as low as 290k per game?

Xman wrote:

leeroy*NRL* wrote:

Xman wrote:

leeroy*NRL* wrote:

Xman wrote:

More BS. The audience cant see all 198 matches, unless you watch 2 TVs at the same time, which would never be counted by OZtam anyway. The total is closer to 140 matches.

if the AFL does not do this and shows the same game across the nation..

it does not rate into PERTH and WA.. unless the home teams are playing, there is a min 50% drop

disagree. It totally depends on the games. Melbourne were shown 2 poor Melbourne teams on a Saturday night a few weeks ago while Adelaide were shown a game vs the Swans, which was a near top of the table clash. The fox ratings for the Ad v Syd game were 3 times the Melbourne game showing the national interest was far higher. So showing multiple games actually hurt our ratings not helped them.

So half our homeland didnt see a cracking game on FTA

that is the risk you take in scheduling ...

you do not think this does not happen to the NRL

half the games are better on Fox where its restricted to 30%

and ch9 get a bludger of a game and it goes national..

it goes both ways

you lose and you win...

and you lose far more when only 1 of your 9 games is shown on FTA nationally compared to your 3. Look at this FN, Hawthorn v Essendon, probably the worst game of the year yet the only game shown nationally for the weekend on FTA

Yes both codes face this issue yet the AFLs total is being divided by every game which is just not correct. 1 FTA game is national and only 6 STV games are viewable.

Our FTA total should be divided by 4, and our STV total divided by 6 to get a better indication of our real average.

A classic example is our FTA average is a dismal 290k despite the fact we average nearly 900k on FTA on FN. Do you really think our national FTA audience is as low as 290k per game?

no your avg is not 290k per game in reality..

what and raiders v Manly was a blockbuster

your games go longer, so you win there with Extra advertising and game length
but you lose with overlapping.. (you cannot have both)

example.

same night. Eagles v crows Live into perth and adelaide
same night collingwood v sydney. live into melbourne brisbane and sydney

The two games rate big into each city. you get MAX figures into each city as you can get except brisbane

otherwise a reduction in the perth and adelaide markets watching the pies v swans games. as a standalone

so again you win / lose..

the NRL lose ratings wise by having 5 exclusive fox games