Brisbane Stadium - Victoria Park

[Fred]

Have you got a source for the 6 billion plus figure for the vic park stadium? Where did you get it from. Genuinely curious as haven’t found that anywhere.

[Fred]

Also - you have to remember there will be a new stadium - for the AFL (and cricket) - if it is to be at Mount Gravatt as you expect - what would be the cost of that? There is also another venue being floated on the river as a public private arrangement - that might be even better - and would satisfy the supposed need to have opening and closing ceremonies on the river. Interesting.

[azif]

Also - you have to remember there will be a new stadium - for the AFL (and cricket) - if it is to be at Mount Gravatt as you expect - what would be the cost of that? There is also another venue being floated on the river as a public private arrangement - that might be even better - and would satisfy the supposed need to have opening and closing ceremonies on the river. Interesting.

The cost of the refurb of QE2 was around a bill , it would be more for a completely new venue but not a great deal more 1.5 bill to 2 bill
Private consortiums want free access to prime real estate & to make $$ on their investment, thats their only motivation. They'd bankrupt CA & the Wions ... well the wions are broke now , so even more broker
It won't be better & won't even be considered

[azif]

Have you got a source for the 6 billion plus figure for the vic park stadium? Where did you get it from. Genuinely curious as haven’t found that anywhere.

seriously fwed , its been reported 100 times in the last 2 months

thats the cost
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/queen ... d849ec?amp

i found that in 30 seconds

[azif]

a plan for lunatics

[Fred]

Have you got a source for the 6 billion plus figure for the vic park stadium? Where did you get it from. Genuinely curious as haven’t found that anywhere.

seriously fwed , its been reported 100 times in the last 2 months

thats the cost
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/queen ... d849ec?amp

i found that in 30 seconds

amazing - first I read that 6billion figure - does the journalist cite a source? I mean - main stream media and all (as you say).

[Fred]

Okay - seems that 6 billion is for a whole of precinct proposal put forth by Arcadis - different to the one in Quirks review - includes much more than a stadium

"Quirk estimated the cost of a stadium at Victoria Park to be $3.4 billion. Arcadis has estimated the cost of a stadium, a new arena, a permanent aquatic centre and a deck over the Inner City Bypass to be a combined $6 billion."




so we need to be careful citing figures and make sure we are quoting the right ones okay.

Now that is clear -

For the extra money I do like to Arcadis proposal - a good legacy to be left behind - will be unlikely though to get up

But the 3.4 billion stadium design - could be a goer.

for your reading pleasure - some good sources too
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nation ... 5kvgm.html

[azif]

Okay - seems that 6 billion is for a whole of precinct proposal put forth by Arcadis - different to the one in Quirks review - includes much more than a stadium

"Quirk estimated the cost of a stadium at Victoria Park to be $3.4 billion. Arcadis has estimated the cost of a stadium, a new arena, a permanent aquatic centre and a deck over the Inner City Bypass to be a combined $6 billion."




so we need to be careful citing figures and make sure we are quoting the right ones okay.

Now that is clear -

For the extra money I do like to Arcadis proposal - a good legacy to be left behind - will be unlikely though to get up

But the 3.4 billion stadium design - could be a goer.

for your reading pleasure - some good sources too
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nation ... 5kvgm.html

when you start from scratch on a site there is a lot of associated costs , its 6 bill plus to build a stadium there
simply not viable
& aint happening

[Fred]

Yes, but the stadium is not budgeted for 6 billion.

The stadium and precinct - which I think is a better idea, is what is budgeted for 6 billion.

I see how you may got them mixed - easy mistake.

And yes, projects rarely come in as budgeted. The Stadium will be end up costing a lot more - so will the 6million budgeted precinct - probably 10 billion for that.

[azif]

Yes, but the stadium is not budgeted for 6 billion.

The stadium and precinct - which I think is a better idea, is what is budgeted for 6 billion.

I see how you may got them mixed - easy mistake.

And yes, projects rarely come in as budgeted. The Stadium will be end up costing a lot more - so will the 6million budgeted precinct - probably 10 billion for that.

irrelevant
thats what it will cost to build a stadium there , & apart from the demolition of the QE2 , there are no other associated costs with Mt Gravatt, the site is ready to go & we're not tearing down a school or removing green space

There is no other viable alternative
all other options are sheer lunacy

[Fred]

The budget for the VP stadium isn't 6 billion though - just to correct your mistake that's all.


If Mt Gravatt is selected I would be truely amazed - but stranger things have happened. Does seem least likely - to the point I don't even think its in contention - but hey - we will wait and see.

I give you this to read
https://www.foxsports.com.au/olympics/c ... 2e628fe8a3



“There is no one who believes that that project is either value for money or provides a legacy option.

“Whilst I look forward to the results of the 100-day review, if a project like that came out the other end, at a time when Queenslanders are yearning to be proud of their government and their state on the world stage, I would be stunned.

“The idea of spending well north of a billion dollars in temporary facilities for something in the middle of the bush makes no sense in anyone’s language.”

and when I read this I said to myself - Premier - meet Asif .... the one person who does think it is a good idea lol

[azif]

The budget for the VP stadium isn't 6 billion though - just to correct your mistake that's all.


If Mt Gravatt is selected I would be truely amazed - but stranger things have happened. Does seem least likely - to the point I don't even think its in contention - but hey - we will wait and see.

I give you this to read
https://www.foxsports.com.au/olympics/c ... 2e628fe8a3



“There is no one who believes that that project is either value for money or provides a legacy option.

“Whilst I look forward to the results of the 100-day review, if a project like that came out the other end, at a time when Queenslanders are yearning to be proud of their government and their state on the world stage, I would be stunned.

“The idea of spending well north of a billion dollars in temporary facilities for something in the middle of the bush makes no sense in anyone’s language.”

and when I read this I said to myself - Premier - meet Asif .... the one person who does think it is a good idea lol

what mistake Fwed
I said , & have said several hundred times ..... to build a stadium at Victoria park will cost 6 billion plus , don't care what that involves
its ridiculous & won't happen
& to correct you when you learn to read .. for the 40 th time
I have said over & over , the Labor plan was the right site , but the wrong venue .... demolish QE2 & put a new stadium there

for less then 2 billion , it gets the job done for the olympics , & will be the venue for Cricket & AFL moving forward
no schools demolished , no green space removed
the barking clowns with agendas need to be ignored ....
thats the only logical plan

[Fred]

I asked where you got the figures from and you linked article - as I had the budgeted figures as 3.4 billion and you were stating 6 billion. What you were quoting was the sporting precinct proposal - not the stadium proposal. Read back through you will see. Not that it is a big deal - just pointing out where you got mixed up. And yes, projects rarely come in on budgets - but we have been talking about budgets thus far.

There is no way they are building a stadium at Mount Gravatt going by what I have read - but as I have also said - who knows given what has happened in the past.

[Fred]

A proposal talked about today re: rebuilding the Gabba..... an architect believes this is doable and the right place for it. Lots of proposals coming through.

[azif]

A proposal talked about today re: rebuilding the Gabba..... an architect believes this is doable and the right place for it. Lots of proposals coming through.

It isn't , there simply isn't the room.
the Gabba is tightly hemmed in , to almost double its size it is not possible. And the sports that play there have already accepted this.

They're moving.