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[King-Eliagh]

The opportunity exists now just for clarity. Every AFL club would like all the talent to play. But they know (unlike King Eliagh) that this is impossible without having an adverse effect on the communities. That is, if I understand what you are suggesting Xman, the logistics don't add up. But according to King Eliagh (in effect) they do and should be exploited to the maximum. I oppose this, and so would the communities if they knew about this proposal of King Eliagh's.

mumbo jumbo shmack

Seriously, have a re read of this stink will ya cracker. You should be ashamed at your lack of intelligence.

I'll ask now, how many players come from the remote communities? The Rioli's? They're from the tiwis but played the majority of their junior footy for stmarys in Darwin. Darwin aint remote.

You know shmack all about what the communities want cwacker, and its a bloody disgrace to hear you talking on their behalf the way you do.

What is required is equal access and that, as with health care, education, basic fruit and vegetables etc etc etc isn't there for those who grow up in remote communities in the NT. Developing pathways would be fantastic and would obviously need to be done with proper consultation and inclusion of local community members, rather than going off what some know it all dingbat like cracker says. My inkling? More remote nt Communities would love more engagement with the AFL and in developing footy programs and pathways. They love their footy, this is quite clear.

I think this answers your questions swines. Proper consultation would require significant work and include the employment of translators and local community leaderss. Additionally the AFL, if they were serious about this should really spend the money on creating a team in Darwin, where a multitude of Aboriginal families live, including many from as far as central desert regions and further. This would 1. Lessen the impact of culture shock for young up and coming footy players (Darwin is way diff to Melbourne last time I looked cwacker ya fool) and 2. In many cases provide important family connections and additional support for many potential Aboriginal AFL players from remote areas of the nt.

Now Xman, common mate, fairs fair, its time to implement the new rule. I mean if you don't then you're kinda suggesting cwackers claim is valid and accurate. I mean...does he think women, children, elderly, unhealthy, unsporty, poor marngrookers and the disabled are gunna be up for selection?

What a crock this cwacker is turning out to be. I'm proud I picked it from the start! :>::

[King-Eliagh]

I have been reading this debate KE how do you say Koories arnt receiving opportunities at present?? There are boys getting drafted each year from these communities what is it that the AFL should be doing - at present I am aware of in every state they have u15 development squads for Koories (I know because I had a young boy in a teams I coached and he was only just too young but is in the squad now). They offer scholarships to Melb private schools to not only develop but give them greater opportunities (Cyril Rioli was one such), they do many programs what are you suggesting they should do more than they currently do????

Just for your info swines. Koori doesn't refer to Aboriginal folk across the country but more generally to Aboriginal folk from only the southeast of aus or just NSW.

As to your other questions I have answered them in my above post. But, if you think the AFL has done and is doing a great job re pathways for those from remote communities then can you please tell us how many Aboriginal players from remote communities who speak a language other than English as their first language, other than Liam Jurrah, have made it to the AFL?

It's my belief these folk don't have anywhere near as equal access mainly because of where they are from and the difference of their culture and language. The AFL should work harder to connect positively with these communities in a more culturally appropriate manner, rather than simply dragging em on down to Melbourne for scholarships, miles away from their homes where people speak in foreign tongues and do almost everything differently. Of course the kids are gunna find it tough. More local solutions would be better.

you getting my drift yet swines?

[Swans4ever]

I have been reading this debate KE how do you say Koories arnt receiving opportunities at present?? There are boys getting drafted each year from these communities what is it that the AFL should be doing - at present I am aware of in every state they have u15 development squads for Koories (I know because I had a young boy in a teams I coached and he was only just too young but is in the squad now). They offer scholarships to Melb private schools to not only develop but give them greater opportunities (Cyril Rioli was one such), they do many programs what are you suggesting they should do more than they currently do????

Just for your info swines. Koori doesn't refer to Aboriginal folk across the country but more generally to Aboriginal folk from only the southeast of aus or just NSW.

As to your other questions I have answered them in my above post. But, if you think the AFL has done and is doing a great job re pathways for those from remote communities then can you please tell us how many Aboriginal players from remote communities who speak a language other than English as their first language, other than Liam Jurrah, have made it to the AFL?

It's my belief these folk don't have anywhere near as equal access mainly because of where they are from and the difference of their culture and language. The AFL should work harder to connect positively with these communities in a more culturally appropriate manner, rather than simply dragging em on down to Melbourne for scholarships, miles away from their homes where people speak in foreign tongues and do almost everything differently. Of course the kids are gunna find it tough. More local solutions would be better.

you getting my drift yet swines?

While it may originate from southeast nsw it is fairly universally used as an expression denoting those of aboriginal ancestry and everywhere I've gone from WA to Bairnsdale to Far nth Qld most people appreciate being called Koori than Aboriginal - so picking me up in that seems unnecessarily pedantic. Secondly I have meet players who's family's are brought across and assisted - there's only 100 odd selected each year at the draft and believe it or not there's lots of locations (even suburbs in Melbourne) that don't get represented in the draft by one of their own being selected - scouts regularly attend the top end in the off season to scout talent not just the AFL but the WAFL, VFL and the SAFL. They give such assistance as they can but the AFL is not Government and it alone can't redress 150 years of injustice - I don't think the AFL is doing more than the NRL but it is certainly not doing less.

[King-Eliagh]

While it may originate from southeast nsw it is fairly universally used as an expression denoting those of aboriginal ancestry and everywhere I've gone from WA to Bairnsdale to Far nth Qld most people appreciate being called Koori than Aboriginal - so picking me up in that seems unnecessarily pedantic.

Nup.
Not being pedantic just bein accurate swines. Here's a good song for ya by ''local knowledge''. It calls out to many different state mobs by their recognised names, as well as some others who are more regional like Anangu and Yolgnu. Listen to the lyrics and look em up and you'll see something you didn't know before

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGlFnFsmBWM[/video]

[King-Eliagh]

Secondly I have meet players who's family's are brought across and assisted - there's only 100 odd selected each year at the draft and believe it or not there's lots of locations (even suburbs in Melbourne) that don't get represented in the draft by one of their own being selected - scouts regularly attend the top end in the off season to scout talent not just the AFL but the WAFL, VFL and the SAFL. They give such assistance as they can but the AFL is not Government and it alone can't redress 150 years of injustice - I don't think the AFL is doing more than the NRL but it is certainly not doing less.

Well you're simply not listenin to what ive been saying are ya?? I said localised programs not bringing people out of their home country to Melbourne. If they're serious, they'll try implement more culturally appropriate programs. Got it yet swines??

[AFLcrap1]

I have been reading this debate KE how do you say Koories arnt receiving opportunities at present?? There are boys getting drafted each year from these communities what is it that the AFL should be doing - at present I am aware of in every state they have u15 development squads for Koories (I know because I had a young boy in a teams I coached and he was only just too young but is in the squad now). They offer scholarships to Melb private schools to not only develop but give them greater opportunities (Cyril Rioli was one such), they do many programs what are you suggesting they should do more than they currently do????

Just for your info swines. Koori doesn't refer to Aboriginal folk across the country but more generally to Aboriginal folk from only the southeast of aus or just NSW.

As to your other questions I have answered them in my above post. But, if you think the AFL has done and is doing a great job re pathways for those from remote communities then can you please tell us how many Aboriginal players from remote communities who speak a language other than English as their first language, other than Liam Jurrah, have made it to the AFL?

It's my belief these folk don't have anywhere near as equal access mainly because of where they are from and the difference of their culture and language. The AFL should work harder to connect positively with these communities in a more culturally appropriate manner, rather than simply dragging em on down to Melbourne for scholarships, miles away from their homes where people speak in foreign tongues and do almost everything differently. Of course the kids are gunna find it tough. More local solutions would be better.

you getting my drift yet swines?

While it may originate from southeast nsw it is fairly universally used as an expression denoting those of aboriginal ancestry and everywhere I've gone from WA to Bairnsdale to Far nth Qld most people appreciate being called Koori than Aboriginal - .

Absolute horseshit.

Most QLD indigenous people refer to themselves as Murris.
The RL indigenous comp between QLD & NSW is the Murri V Koori Carnival.

Chalk up another wrongun to the simpleton..

[Swans4ever]

Secondly I have meet players who's family's are brought across and assisted - there's only 100 odd selected each year at the draft and believe it or not there's lots of locations (even suburbs in Melbourne) that don't get represented in the draft by one of their own being selected - scouts regularly attend the top end in the off season to scout talent not just the AFL but the WAFL, VFL and the SAFL. They give such assistance as they can but the AFL is not Government and it alone can't redress 150 years of injustice - I don't think the AFL is doing more than the NRL but it is certainly not doing less.

Well you're simply not listenin to what ive been saying are ya?? I said localised programs not bringing people out of their home country to Melbourne. If they're serious, they'll try implement more culturally appropriate programs. Got it yet swines??

I don't think anything the AFL did would satisfy you - perhaps I'll listen to those who are affected rather than another person telling them what is or isn't being done - people like Michael Long!

[Swans4ever]

I have been reading this debate KE how do you say Koories arnt receiving opportunities at present?? There are boys getting drafted each year from these communities what is it that the AFL should be doing - at present I am aware of in every state they have u15 development squads for Koories (I know because I had a young boy in a teams I coached and he was only just too young but is in the squad now). They offer scholarships to Melb private schools to not only develop but give them greater opportunities (Cyril Rioli was one such), they do many programs what are you suggesting they should do more than they currently do????

Just for your info swines. Koori doesn't refer to Aboriginal folk across the country but more generally to Aboriginal folk from only the southeast of aus or just NSW.

As to your other questions I have answered them in my above post. But, if you think the AFL has done and is doing a great job re pathways for those from remote communities then can you please tell us how many Aboriginal players from remote communities who speak a language other than English as their first language, other than Liam Jurrah, have made it to the AFL?

It's my belief these folk don't have anywhere near as equal access mainly because of where they are from and the difference of their culture and language. The AFL should work harder to connect positively with these communities in a more culturally appropriate manner, rather than simply dragging em on down to Melbourne for scholarships, miles away from their homes where people speak in foreign tongues and do almost everything differently. Of course the kids are gunna find it tough. More local solutions would be better.

you getting my drift yet swines?

While it may originate from southeast nsw it is fairly universally used as an expression denoting those of aboriginal ancestry and everywhere I've gone from WA to Bairnsdale to Far nth Qld most people appreciate being called Koori than Aboriginal - .

Absolute horseshit.

Most QLD indigenous people refer to themselves as Murris.
The RL indigenous comp between QLD & NSW is the Murri V Koori Carnival.

Chalk up another wrongun to the simpleton..

*unnaceptable, warning 1 - Xman

[AFLcrap1]

I have been reading this debate KE how do you say Koories arnt receiving opportunities at present?? There are boys getting drafted each year from these communities what is it that the AFL should be doing - at present I am aware of in every state they have u15 development squads for Koories (I know because I had a young boy in a teams I coached and he was only just too young but is in the squad now). They offer scholarships to Melb private schools to not only develop but give them greater opportunities (Cyril Rioli was one such), they do many programs what are you suggesting they should do more than they currently do????

Just for your info swines. Koori doesn't refer to Aboriginal folk across the country but more generally to Aboriginal folk from only the southeast of aus or just NSW.

As to your other questions I have answered them in my above post. But, if you think the AFL has done and is doing a great job re pathways for those from remote communities then can you please tell us how many Aboriginal players from remote communities who speak a language other than English as their first language, other than Liam Jurrah, have made it to the AFL?

It's my belief these folk don't have anywhere near as equal access mainly because of where they are from and the difference of their culture and language. The AFL should work harder to connect positively with these communities in a more culturally appropriate manner, rather than simply dragging em on down to Melbourne for scholarships, miles away from their homes where people speak in foreign tongues and do almost everything differently. Of course the kids are gunna find it tough. More local solutions would be better.

you getting my drift yet swines?

While it may originate from southeast nsw it is fairly universally used as an expression denoting those of aboriginal ancestry and everywhere I've gone from WA to Bairnsdale to Far nth Qld most people appreciate being called Koori than Aboriginal - .

Absolute horseshit.

Most QLD indigenous people refer to themselves as Murris.
The RL indigenous comp between QLD & NSW is the Murri V Koori Carnival.

Chalk up another wrongun to the simpleton..

Fuck your a wanker!

Does it upset you diddums ,when someone continually has to correct the absolute bullshit or lies you post..

I think of it as doing the community a service.
Cant have too much wrong information or AFL propaganda out there.

& when I was in WA the indigenous people were known as NOONGARS.

[King-Eliagh]

Hey swines have you listened to the song yet? In SA Aboriginal folk refer to emselves generally as Nungas.

We're just trying to help and educate you swines....so you don't make a fool of yourself again.

Also I believe your calling of aflcrap as a wanker is in breach of our new debate club rules. Wanking is what most would consider a vulgar term, its sexually explicit. Therefore calling someone a wanker is against our rules. Xman, what was it for the first offence? A warning or a one day suspension for swines?

Again, just trying to help and educate you swines...so you don't make a fool of yourself again.




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[King-Eliagh]

In your world maybe. In the real world it would not.

What I would be saying is;
"there's a person in Sydney who wants all of you to play for the AFL and stay away from your community for months on end?"

Xman? Isnt it about time judgement day was here? This git made this totally invalid claim on my intention several weeks ago now and you've not yet acted barr asking him to retract, which he hasn't.

I'm happy if you simply delete his comment. It's on page 3.

Lemme know when you've done the deed. Thanks in advance

[Xman]

In your world maybe. In the real world it would not.

What I would be saying is;
"there's a person in Sydney who wants all of you to play for the AFL and stay away from your community for months on end?"

Xman? Isnt it about time judgement day was here? This git made this totally invalid claim on my intention several weeks ago now and you've not yet acted barr asking him to retract, which he hasn't.

I'm happy if you simply delete his comment. It's on page 3.

Lemme know when you've done the deed. Thanks in advance

I'm not making a judgment call on each and every little dispute.

[King-Eliagh]

In your world maybe. In the real world it would not.

What I would be saying is;
"there's a person in Sydney who wants all of you to play for the AFL and stay away from your community for months on end?"

Xman? Isnt it about time judgement day was here? This git made this totally invalid claim on my intention several weeks ago now and you've not yet acted barr asking him to retract, which he hasn't.

I'm happy if you simply delete his comment. It's on page 3.

Lemme know when you've done the deed. Thanks in advance

I'm not making a judgment call on each and every little dispute.

Our illustrious moderator folks, in all his glory.

So ah tell me. Wtf was all that hoo haaing/rule making about then? So that you didn't have to make a judgement call? >

My god.

Hellooo Xman? Any body home? Think Xman think!!



[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh9PYtmVybU[/video]

[Xman]

In your world maybe. In the real world it would not.

What I would be saying is;
"there's a person in Sydney who wants all of you to play for the AFL and stay away from your community for months on end?"

Xman? Isnt it about time judgement day was here? This git made this totally invalid claim on my intention several weeks ago now and you've not yet acted barr asking him to retract, which he hasn't.

I'm happy if you simply delete his comment. It's on page 3.

Lemme know when you've done the deed. Thanks in advance

I'm not making a judgment call on each and every little dispute.

Our illustrious moderator folks, in all his glory.

So ah tell me. Wtf was all that hoo haaing/rule making about then? So that you didn't have to make a judgement call? >

My god.

Hellooo Xman? Any body home? Think Xman think!!



[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh9PYtmVybU[/video]

you're little dispute with cracker is about the use of the word "all", and who meant what. Seriously, work that one out yourselves

[Cracker]

The opportunity exists now just for clarity. Every AFL club would like all the talent to play. But they know (unlike King Eliagh) that this is impossible without having an adverse effect on the communities. That is, if I understand what you are suggesting Xman, the logistics don't add up. But according to King Eliagh (in effect) they do and should be exploited to the maximum. I oppose this, and so would the communities if they knew about this proposal of King Eliagh's.

mumbo jumbo shmack

Seriously, have a re read of this stink will ya cracker. You should be ashamed at your lack of intelligence.

I'll ask now, how many players come from the remote communities? The Rioli's? They're from the tiwis but played the majority of their junior footy for stmarys in Darwin. Darwin aint remote.

You know shmack all about what the communities want cwacker, and its a bloody disgrace to hear you talking on their behalf the way you do.

What is required is equal access and that, as with health care, education, basic fruit and vegetables etc etc etc isn't there for those who grow up in remote communities in the NT. Developing pathways would be fantastic and would obviously need to be done with proper consultation and inclusion of local community members, rather than going off what some know it all dingbat like cracker says. My inkling? More remote nt Communities would love more engagement with the AFL and in developing footy programs and pathways. They love their footy, this is quite clear.

I think this answers your questions swines. Proper consultation would require significant work and include the employment of translators and local community leaderss. Additionally the AFL, if they were serious about this should really spend the money on creating a team in Darwin, where a multitude of Aboriginal families live, including many from as far as central desert regions and further. This would 1. Lessen the impact of culture shock for young up and coming footy players (Darwin is way diff to Melbourne last time I looked cwacker ya fool) and 2. In many cases provide important family connections and additional support for many potential Aboriginal AFL players from remote areas of the nt.

Now Xman, common mate, fairs fair, its time to implement the new rule. I mean if you don't then you're kinda suggesting cwackers claim is valid and accurate. I mean...does he think women, children, elderly, unhealthy, unsporty, poor marngrookers and the disabled are gunna be up for selection?

What a crock this cwacker is turning out to be. I'm proud I picked it from the start! :>::

And I picked it early on that you are extremely rude when you don't get your own way.

You wish to know why the number of Aborigines in remote communities that make it to the AFL is so low? I can answer this for you. They don't want to because they refuse to abandon their community. This is what they would have to do if they were to play in the AFL. This is what you expect them to do. This is despicable. Even if a side was based in Darwin, they would still have to travel to away games and train full time.

And let's just clarify the definition of "all" shall we? Anyone who has an ounce of common sense knows that I am referring only to those who are recruitable in the first place and not the entire community as a whole.

Let's break this down once and for all. The pathways that exist are at the maximum without affecting the constitution (I mean the make up and nothing else) of any given community. Around Alice Springs they have the chance to play there. You mentioned Darwin and the same applies. Your behaviour clearly insinuates that you want all the eligible Aborigines to have a crack at the AFL without exception. It's not going to happen because they don't want it. They are far happier staying in their region and this should be respected.