Talking Footy

King-Eliagh wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priority_d ... ck#Tanking

Oh yes it is tanking Xman. Point 3 on tanking states that tanking is "Employing unusual tactics in matches, including using players in positions where they do not usually play"

And thats exactly what baily did admitting that this was specifically done for draft picks. And that's exactly why the AFL is working 24/7 to resolve the issue, all behind closed doors ofcourse, akk the while suggesting tanking doesnt occur. A farce is what we have here Xman. You're just too doughy eyed to see it.

No matter how tanking is defined on wiki it essentially means deliberately losing. There is no way that accelerating the development of a team by playing them in a variety of positions is intentionally losing a game.

You are completely and utterly wrong!

That article on Wikipedia relies wholly on media reports, and it never at any stage stated that tanking took place. It only provided media speculation.

Therefore, Xman is correct and KE is completely, utterly and irrevocably wrong!

Nuff said!

Surely it hasnt started already...???...just 3 rounds in ?

pussycat wrote:

Surely it hasnt started already...???...just 3 rounds in ?

It's irrelevant from this season forward anyway. The way teams qualify for priority picks has changed.

I think a better definition than Xman's for tanking is a team deliberately not trying to win. "Deliberately losing" does not cater for the many subtleties involved in the art of tanking and getting away with it. It's prevalent in the AFL and a big nasty grey area which neither TLPG, nor Xman like to acknowledge. They want their home to appear neat and tidy at all costs...as does the AFL...sweep sweep.

pussycat wrote:

Surely it hasnt started already...???...just 3 rounds in ?

On my more appropriate definition of tanking i'd say there's an 88.77% chance that atleast 1 AFL club has already resigned itself to tanking in order to build and build quickly. The vast chasm in skill levels between those at the top and those at the bottom of the AFL ladder is the main contributor. That and the 'superdraft' coming up at the end of the season has the bottom sides licking their chops in anticipation.

I predict we are in for the most lopsided competition ever in the AFL along with a fierce competition for 'winning' the bottom rungs on the ladder. As the season progresses we will see more and more evidence of tanking...But how to police it? Thats the question...We have a flawed comp and system here which thankfully the AFL are working on, behind closed doors of course. And when anyone comes a knocking its...sweep sweep.

King-Eliagh wrote:

I think a better definition than Xman's for tanking is a team deliberately not trying to win. "Deliberately losing" does not cater for the many subtleties involved in the art of tanking and getting away with it. It's prevalent in the AFL and a big nasty grey area which neither TLPG, nor Xman like to acknowledge. They want their home to appear neat and tidy at all costs...as does the AFL...sweep sweep.

I don't see anything wrong with using regular home and away games to hasten the development of your team.

King-Eliagh wrote:

pussycat wrote:

Surely it hasnt started already...???...just 3 rounds in ?

On my more appropriate definition of tanking i'd say there's an 88.77% chance that atleast 1 AFL club has already resigned itself to tanking in order to build and build quickly. The vast chasm in skill levels between those at the top and those at the bottom of the AFL ladder is the main contributor. That and the 'superdraft' coming up at the end of the season has the bottom sides licking their chops in anticipation.

I predict we are in for the most lopsided competition ever in the AFL along with a fierce competition for 'winning' the bottom rungs on the ladder. As the season progresses we will see more and more evidence of tanking...But how to police it? Thats the question...We have a flawed comp and system here which thankfully the AFL are working on, behind closed doors of course. And when anyone comes a knocking its...sweep sweep.

Hmm, are you that stupid? the benefits for finishing last are greatly reduced this year.

And your prediction couldn't be further from the truth. This will be one of the most hotly contested years for the finals and GFs in memory!

eelofwest wrote:

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthrea ... 3&t=933575

This is why the NRL should never go to a draft System imo.

So these members are looking for a solution to there tanking problems

Blessed You only have to look at how good Carlton are now to see how Tanking can be effective. Yes, I know all about Pendlebury and Thomas as well so we aren’t clean. For Melbourne, this year with the concession pick for Scully, there is absolutely no incentive to win a game. If Melbourne finish last or with only GC and GWS behind them, you get picks 3 and 4. In a superdraft, this is a platform for future success. For Melbourne fans, there is no reason at all for your team to try this year. You are only shooting your future in the foot if you win a couple of meaningless games. Yes, you still need to pick the right player. But the numbers suggest, the earlier the pick; the more likely for success. And next year is a SuperDraft.

arguing whether 'tanking' has happened or not in the past, or just denying the article as an AFL haters bullshit theory shouldnt be the main issue/responses taken from this...

The problem is that currently there is the chance a team sitting in the bottom half of the table towards the end of the season, could see it more beneficial in organising the remainder of that season in attempting to maximise their clubs position in the following AFL Draft. Basicially an upsidedown premiership tussle.

This is a clear opputunity for bottom clubs to exploit the AFL's draft. If it has or hasnt happened in the past doesnt matter, this cannot be just ignored. the current format has an unseen benefit if any club wanted to cheat. The AFL should look into this before a team is found guilty of something like tanking and possibly bringing the entire game of aussie rules into dispute.


PS i am writing this from as a RL fan, bot to try insult your game, just to say u guys should speak up before it does hapen...

214Four wrote:

eelofwest wrote:

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthrea ... 3&t=933575

This is why the NRL should never go to a draft System imo.

So these members are looking for a solution to there tanking problems

Blessed You only have to look at how good Carlton are now to see how Tanking can be effective. Yes, I know all about Pendlebury and Thomas as well so we aren’t clean. For Melbourne, this year with the concession pick for Scully, there is absolutely no incentive to win a game. If Melbourne finish last or with only GC and GWS behind them, you get picks 3 and 4. In a superdraft, this is a platform for future success. For Melbourne fans, there is no reason at all for your team to try this year. You are only shooting your future in the foot if you win a couple of meaningless games. Yes, you still need to pick the right player. But the numbers suggest, the earlier the pick; the more likely for success. And next year is a SuperDraft.

arguing whether 'tanking' has happened or not in the past, or just denying the article as an AFL haters bullshit theory shouldnt be the main issue/responses taken from this...

The problem is that currently there is the chance a team sitting in the bottom half of the table towards the end of the season, could see it more beneficial in organising the remainder of that season in attempting to maximise their clubs position in the following AFL Draft. Basicially an upsidedown premiership tussle.

This is a clear opputunity for bottom clubs to exploit the AFL's draft. If it has or hasnt happened in the past doesnt matter, this cannot be just ignored. the current format has an unseen benefit if any club wanted to cheat. The AFL should look into this before a team is found guilty of something like tanking and possibly bringing the entire game of aussie rules into dispute.


PS i am writing this from as a RL fan, bot to try insult your game, just to say u guys should speak up before it does hapen...

Teams do more damage to their culture, fans, memberships, image, coach reputation etc by losing and gaining a slightly better draft pick (which is not a guarantee of a decent player) than winning and getting a lower pick. Tanking is rubbish.

Yes well said 214, the AFL comp fans should speak up before its too late. Actually many of them are speaking up about it. ITs only tlpg and Xman who seem to live the lie that tanking doesnt exist/isnt an issue. To put it kindly, TLPG and Xman are...somewhat less enlightened folk who have had their heads unfortunately rammed up their anus. They just cannot see so be kind to them and their disability 214.

You are disabled, KE. Disabled by a severe case of trollism, so go away and get yourself cured.

King-Eliagh wrote:

Yes well said 214, the AFL comp fans should speak up before its too late. Actually many of them are speaking up about it. ITs only tlpg and Xman who seem to live the lie that tanking doesnt exist/isnt an issue. To put it kindly, TLPG and Xman are...somewhat less enlightened folk who have had their heads unfortunately rammed up their anus. They just cannot see so be kind to them and their disability 214.

Acting executive commissioner of the Victorian Commission for Gambling Regulation, Max Priestly, said he was satisfied with the AFL's position in safeguarding the integrity of the code at the elite level.

"The VCGR is aware of current media speculation about tanking in the AFL arising from comments attributed to the former coach of the Melbourne Football Club, Dean Bailey," Priestly said.

"The VCGR is satisfied that the AFL is taking the necessary action to protect the integrity of the events for which it is the sport's controlling body and that sufficient measures are in place to safeguard it."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/w ... 6108538420

So TLPG and I are the ONLY ones who disagree that tanking is an issue hey?

Oh dear Xman, this article proves that tanking DOES exist and IS an issue. Your comprehension needs some work matey.

This is serious investigation happening and the AFL ARE taking actions, which at present the VCGR are content with but in no means are the VCGR going away on this one. They're keeping a watchful eye and may change their decision at any time, as the article states. In no way does the article state that tanking does not exist/isnt an issue. In fact it says the absolute opposite.

Thanks Xman! You da maaaaa'aaann!

Yes you and TLPG are the only ones I've come across who think tanking doesnt exist/isnt an issue.

KE's education didn't include comprehension obviously.