Is The AFL Racist?

[Xman]

 
Current Indigenous Players in the AFL

There are 78 AFL listed indigenous players in 2011.

Player Club Recruited From
Tony Armstrong Adelaide Crows Burrumbuttock/NSW-ACT U18/Riddells Creek/Calder U18
Graham Johncock Adelaide Crows Port Adelaide (SANFL)
Tim Milera Adelaide Crows Port Adelaide (SANFL)
Jared Petrenko Adelaide Crows Woodville-West Torrens (SA)
Richard Tambling Adelaide Crows Southern Districts (NT)/Richmond
Xavier Clarke Brisbane Lions St Marys (NT)/St Kilda
Ashley McGrath Brisbane Lions South Fremantle (WA)
Albert Proud Brisbane Lions Mt Gravatt (Qld)
Sam Sheldon Brisbane Lions Haileybury College/Oakleigh U18
Eddie Betts Carlton Templestowe/Calder U18
Jeff Garlett Carlton Swan Districts (WA)
Andrew Walker Carlton Echuca/Bendigo U18
Chris Yarran Carlton Swan Districts (WA)
Leon Davis Collingwood Perth (WA)
Brad Dick Collingwood East Fremantle (WA)
Andrew  Krakouer Collingwood South Fremantle (WA)/Collingwood/Swan Districts (WA)
Kirk Ugle  Collingwood Swan Districts (WA)
Sharrod Wellingham Collingwood Perth (WA)  
Alwyn Davey Essendon Palmerston (NT)/South Adelaide (SA)
Courtenay Dempsey Essendon Morningside (Qld)
Leroy Jetta Essendon South Fremantle (WA)
Anthony Long Essendon St Marys (NT)/Melbourne Grammar/Calder U18
Nathan Lovett-Murray Essendon Heywood/Nth Ball U18/Coll Rook/Bend Bomb/W'town
Patrick Ryder Essendon East Fremantle (WA)
Mark  Williams Essendon South Fremantle (WA)/Hawthorn
Jonathon Griffin Fremantle East Fremantle (WA)/Adelaide
Antoni Grover Fremantle Subiaco (WA)
Roger Hayden Fremantle South Fremantle (WA)
Stephen Hill Fremantle West Perth (WA)
Joel Houghton Fremantle Perth (WA)
Michael Johnson Fremantle Perth (WA)
Casey Sibosado Fremantle Beagle Bay (WA)/Xavier College/Oakleigh U18
Michael Walters Fremantle Swan Districts (WA)
Allen Christensen Geelong Cats Lara/Geelong U18
Steven Motlop Geelong Cats Wanderers (NT)
Mathew Stokes Geelong Cats Palmerston (NT)/Woodville-West Torrens (SA)
Travis Varcoe Geelong Cats Central District (SA)
Roland Ah Chee Gold Coast Suns Pioneers (NT)/Norwood (SA)
Harley Bennell  Gold Coast Suns Peel Thunder (WA)
Joseph Daye Gold Coast Suns Zillmere (Qld)
Jarrod Harbrow Gold Coast Suns Cairns (Qld)/Mooroopna/Murray U18/Wstrn Bldgs
Nathan Krakouer Gold Coast Suns Claremont (WA)/Port Adel
Rex Liddy Gold Coast Suns Kenmore (Qld)/Gold Coast U18
Brandon Matera Gold Coast Suns South Fremantle (WA)
Steven May Gold Coast Suns Southern Districts (NT)/Melbourne Grammar/NT U18
Tom Nicholls Gold Coast Suns St Kevins/Sandringham U18
Liam Patrick Gold Coast Suns Wanderers (NT)
Chance Bateman Hawthorn Perth (WA)
Shaun Burgoyne Hawthorn Port Adelaide (SANFL)/Port Adel
Lance Franklin Hawthorn Perth (WA)
Cyril Rioli Hawthorn St Marys (NT)/Scotch College
Derick Wanganeen Hawthorn Port Adelaide (SANFL)
Jamie Bennell Melbourne Swan Districts (WA)
Aaron Davey Melbourne Palmerston (NT)/Port Melbourne
Neville Jetta Melbourne Swan Districts (WA)
Liam Jurrah Melbourne Yuenduma Magpies (NT)/Collingwood VFL
Kelvin Lawrence Melbourne Peel Thunder (WA)
Austin Wonaeamirri Melbourne St Marys (NT)/Norwood (SA)
Matt Campbell North Melbourne Pioneers (NT)/North Adelaide (SA)
Cruize Garlett North Melbourne Perth (WA)
Lindsay Thomas North Melbourne Port Adelaide (SANFL)
Daniel Wells North Melbourne Peel Thunder (WA)
Daniel Motlop Port Adelaide Wanderers (NT)/North Adel (SA)/North Melb
Marlon Motlop Port Adelaide Wanderers (NT)
Danyle Pearce Port Adelaide Sturt (SA)
Raphael Clarke St Kilda St Marys (NT)
Nick Winmar St Kilda Claremont (WA)
Adam Goodes Sydney Swans Horsham/North Ballarat U18
Lewis Jetta Sydney Swans Swan Districts (WA)
Byron Sumner Sydney Swans Woodville-West Torrens (SA)
Lewis Broome West Coast Eagles Claremont (WA)
Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls West Coast Eagles East Perth (WA)/Richmond
Gerrick Weedon West Coast Eagles Claremont (WA)
Nathan Djerrkura Western Bulldogs Wanderers (NT)
Josh Hill Western Bulldogs Claremont (WA)
Liam Jones Western Bulldogs North Hobart/Tas U18/Scotch College
Zeph Skinner  Western Bulldogs Noonkanbah Blues/Claremont (WA)/Nightcliff/ NT Thunder
Brennan Stack Western Bulldogs Perth (WA)

Indiginous AFL players last year.

[pussycat]

Do these blokes all have 1 white parent?

[Xman]

Do these blokes all have 1 white parent?

Racist!

[King-Eliagh]

Do these blokes all have 1 white parent?

Racist!

Finally we have Xman acknowledging the racism within the AFL comp!

[Xman]

Do these blokes all have 1 white parent?

Racist!

Finally we have Xman acknowledging the racism within the AFL comp!

All sporting comps have aspects of racism KE, just like the general community. Suggesting one sport is worse than another is ignorance in the extreme.

[King-Eliagh]

Amusing how you cant understand.

Ofcourse racism occurs in the more multicultural rugbyleague. I never said it didnt. The AFL comp and the aussie cricket team are simply more prone to it due to their less ethnically diverse populations. Thus we can make a strong argument that it is more prominent in the AFL comp etc.

If you cant agree with that then you simply dont understand how racism stems and grows.

btw The aussie cricket team has often been in the press for some highly racist comments. Wasnt ponting, our illustrious ex captain, at the heart of some controversy involving the sri lankans not so long ago? And i must say, going to the cricket against india recently, the comments from the southern cross star tatooed bogan fans towards the dancing and drumming indian fans were the epitomy of the dumbest racist bogans i've come across. Were they in the company of indian or alternative ethnic background friends??? Now even Xman could answer that one correctly

OMG!

Just because a group of people incorporates a broader range of ethnic groups does not make them less or more prone to racism! Look at Sydney and the Cronulla riots! This is an area with substantial numbers of more than one ethnic group yet racism was rife. London is another city with large proportions of different ethnic populations but is a melting pot of racist tension.

To try and correlate multiculturalism and racism is just ignorance! Assimilation is far more relevant.

Oh dear, one of the dumbest posts yet. Cronulla or 'the shire' as locals call it is well known for its lack of ethnic diversity Hence all the whitey's trying to protect the beach, or in other words the only culture a dumb white australian has.

London's racist tension issue is due to ghetoisation on a massive scale where different ethnic groups are not mixing or able to mix and work with the mainstream and vice versa. Recent migrants there are rather dependant on an education system which has not adapted as quickly as the increased ethnic diveresity in the population and thus consequently they become dependent on welfare and their ethnic group for support. And the cycle can then continue. Additionally its due to white gits who dont understand the infrastructure and policy issues beyond the colour of the people who are dependent on welfare.

Xman, i hope you're taking notes, cause your gettin schooled here.

The AFL - in dire need of an increase in ethnic diversity. Thats plain and simple. Now can we answer why this code called 'Australian' Rules has not yet been able to attract significant numbers of recent migrants?

[Xman]

Amusing how you cant understand.

Ofcourse racism occurs in the more multicultural rugbyleague. I never said it didnt. The AFL comp and the aussie cricket team are simply more prone to it due to their less ethnically diverse populations. Thus we can make a strong argument that it is more prominent in the AFL comp etc.

If you cant agree with that then you simply dont understand how racism stems and grows.

btw The aussie cricket team has often been in the press for some highly racist comments. Wasnt ponting, our illustrious ex captain, at the heart of some controversy involving the sri lankans not so long ago? And i must say, going to the cricket against india recently, the comments from the southern cross star tatooed bogan fans towards the dancing and drumming indian fans were the epitomy of the dumbest racist bogans i've come across. Were they in the company of indian or alternative ethnic background friends??? Now even Xman could answer that one correctly

OMG!

Just because a group of people incorporates a broader range of ethnic groups does not make them less or more prone to racism! Look at Sydney and the Cronulla riots! This is an area with substantial numbers of more than one ethnic group yet racism was rife. London is another city with large proportions of different ethnic populations but is a melting pot of racist tension.

To try and correlate multiculturalism and racism is just ignorance! Assimilation is far more relevant.

Oh dear, one of the dumbest posts yet. Cronulla or 'the shire' as locals call it is well known for its lack of ethnic diversity Hence all the whitey's trying to protect the beach, or in other words the only culture a dumb white australian has.

London's racist tension issue is due to ghetoisation on a massive scale where different ethnic groups are not mixing or able to mix and work with the mainstream and vice versa. Recent migrants there are rather dependant on an education system which has not adapted as quickly as the increased ethnic diveresity in the population and thus consequently they become dependent on welfare and their ethnic group for support. And the cycle can then continue. Additionally its due to white gits who dont understand the infrastructure and policy issues beyond the colour of the people who are dependent on welfare.

Xman, i hope you're taking notes, cause your gettin schooled here.

The AFL - in dire need of an increase in ethnic diversity. Thats plain and simple. Now can we answer why this code called 'Australian' Rules has not yet been able to attract significant numbers of recent migrants?

The examples of London and Cronulla are clear. Just because you introduce different ethnic groups into the same country, city, region, or sport, doesn't mean racial vilification will decrease. The same goes for the AFL and NRL. Just because RL has a more diverse ethnic group of participants doesn't mean they get along harmoniously.

I realize your simple brain cannot postulate such complex matters, but the reality is very much different from your immature concepts.

Now off to detention!

[TLPG]

Do these blokes all have 1 white parent?

Racist!

Finally we have Xman acknowledging the racism within the AFL comp!

BS! He was shutting Pussycat down for making a racist remark! What are you, KE, completely stupid??

[King-Eliagh]

TLPG I'm not stupid. You completely miss the hypocrisy in Xman's post and my pointing this out in a sarcastic manner.

Xman I agree with most of your argument except for the sport side of it. As i stated in another post, sport is essentially a part of culture which provides those of minority ethnic backgrounds an equal playing field. You dont really even need to know the mainstream language to learn and be good at a sport. Nor do you need parents who played it or were well educated or who have an extensive knowledge of the sport and have nurtured you into it. An example, do you see the same percentages of Aboriginal people in business, law, medicine etc etc? No and i'd say that's because we live in a colonised country which has contributed to the marginalisation of Indigenous culture and peoples rather than integration, through policy, institutions and a particularly racist past. But in sport, its a different story, the rules of sports in their essence are indisciminatory.

Yes ethnic diversity in a city, a country, a region and a school can in fact and initially almost always does increase racism due to various intercultural tensions and differing values. Not the case in team sport where there's a clear joint objective and the rules are set and clear. Thus increasing cultural diversity in a sporting code is a wonderful thing as it inevitably increases understanding and tolerance through what TLPG describes as 'community'.

The AFL --- could do much more. That's clear. But why is it that it hasnt attracted a more diverse bunch of players??? If we can get together in here and nut that out then we could send a letter to Demetriou and his head honchos down at AFL HQ and make a real positive difference. TLPG? Xman? Whaddaya say :D

[Xman]

TLPG I'm not stupid. You completely miss the hypocrisy in Xman's post and my pointing this out in a sarcastic manner.

Xman I agree with most of your argument except for the sport side of it. As i stated in another post, sport is essentially a part of culture which provides those of minority ethnic backgrounds an equal playing field. You dont really even need to know the mainstream language to learn and be good at a sport. Nor do you need parents who played it or were well educated or who have an extensive knowledge of the sport and have nurtured you into it. An example, do you see the same percentages of Aboriginal people in business, law, medicine etc etc? No and i'd say that's because we live in a colonised country which has contributed to the marginalisation of Indigenous culture and peoples rather than integration, through policy, institutions and a particularly racist past. But in sport, its a different story, the rules of sports in their essence are indisciminatory.

Yes ethnic diversity in a city, a country, a region and a school can in fact and initially almost always does increase racism due to various intercultural tensions and differing values. Not the case in team sport where there's a clear joint objective and the rules are set and clear. Thus increasing cultural diversity in a sporting code is a wonderful thing as it inevitably increases understanding and tolerance through what TLPG describes as 'community'.

The AFL --- could do much more. That's clear. But why is it that it hasnt attracted a more diverse bunch of players??? If we can get together in here and nut that out then we could send a letter to Demetriou and his head honchos down at AFL HQ and make a real positive difference. TLPG? Xman? Whaddaya say :D

The AFL clubs will recruit those they believe are capable of becoming quality players. They have recently had their first Muslim and Sudanese players. They have also recruited a few players Polynesian players to demonstrate to this ethic group that AFL is a viable sporting option for them. I'd be very interested in what more you believe they could do to promote this.

It is certainly true that the number of people recruited to the AFL from Asian, Indian or Sri lankan backgrounds has been very limited. But how many people from these ethnic groups play RL I wonder?

[King-Eliagh]

Yes Xman a "few" players here and there is a start. We mustnt say there's nothing happening but, like RL in 1991, its close to nothing. I'm happy you're now seeing the light of day here. Personally I think we cant really come up with a good way forward until we realise whats stopping it.

The number 1 elephant in the room here is that darned name. I think thats a major factor.

On the positive side though the AFL's move into sydney is already producing much interest **** people of diverse ethnic backgrounds in sydney, particularly western sydney. So I'd imagine this is the product of smart marketing by the AFL along with large populations of now 2nd and third generation immigrants so this interest should grow organically from here.

But this wont be enough, those southern states and wa simply havent had the same multicultural boom that sydney has. More work should go into those markets. On a recent trip to perth i was amazed to see how many sudanese (i think thats where they were from) kids were kicking back in the mall. Massive numbers and the taxi drivers told me this has been a recent influx. Yes adelaide and wa let the code down but imo the worst is melb, a multicultural city. I cant figure out why when its real heartland is so multicultural, it remains such an anglo dominated competition. Somethings wrong down there. Perhaps you as a victorian could shed light on the matter Xman?

fyi the rabbitoes recently recruited a player of asian origin. He's pretty nifty too. Indian and srilankan folk in the NRL is pretty rare though, as in the AFL. I dont know why.

[Xman]

Yes Xman a "few" players here and there is a start. We mustnt say there's nothing happening but, like RL in 1991, its close to nothing. I'm happy you're now seeing the light of day here. Personally I think we cant really come up with a good way forward until we realise whats stopping it.

The number 1 elephant in the room here is that darned name. I think thats a major factor.

On the positive side though the AFL's move into sydney is already producing much interest **** people of diverse ethnic backgrounds in sydney, particularly western sydney. So I'd imagine this is the product of smart marketing by the AFL along with large populations of now 2nd and third generation immigrants so this interest should grow organically from here.

But this wont be enough, those southern states and wa simply havent had the same multicultural boom that sydney has. More work should go into those markets. On a recent trip to perth i was amazed to see how many sudanese (i think thats where they were from) kids were kicking back in the mall. Massive numbers and the taxi drivers told me this has been a recent influx. Yes adelaide and wa let the code down but imo the worst is melb, a multicultural city. I cant figure out why when its real heartland is so multicultural, it remains such an anglo dominated competition. Somethings wrong down there. Perhaps you as a victorian could shed light on the matter Xman?

fyi the rabbitoes recently recruited a player of asian origin. He's pretty nifty too. Indian and srilankan folk in the NRL is pretty rare though, as in the AFL. I dont know why.

No, you have no light for me to see.

Sporting preference has a lot to do with culture. The sporting history of many of the Polynesian groups is to play RL or RU, so when they come here they play those sports. Same for groups like Sudanese, Asian, European, they will play Soccer because it's a major part of their culture and their family still support the sport.

This is a reason why despite having a large proportion of Sudanese, Chinese, Sri lankan and Indian populations in Sydney and Melbourne we still do not see many of these racial groups playing either AFL or RL. It isn't because they are not welcome. It's because they are more interested in playing sports that are familiar to them and their ancestors have a connection with.

[eelofwest]

 
Current Indigenous Players in the AFL

There are 78 AFL listed indigenous players in 2011.

Player Club Recruited From
Tony Armstrong Adelaide Crows Burrumbuttock/NSW-ACT U18/Riddells Creek/Calder U18
Graham Johncock Adelaide Crows Port Adelaide (SANFL)
Tim Milera Adelaide Crows Port Adelaide (SANFL)
Jared Petrenko Adelaide Crows Woodville-West Torrens (SA)
Richard Tambling Adelaide Crows Southern Districts (NT)/Richmond
Xavier Clarke Brisbane Lions St Marys (NT)/St Kilda
Ashley McGrath Brisbane Lions South Fremantle (WA)
Albert Proud Brisbane Lions Mt Gravatt (Qld)
Sam Sheldon Brisbane Lions Haileybury College/Oakleigh U18
Eddie Betts Carlton Templestowe/Calder U18
Jeff Garlett Carlton Swan Districts (WA)
Andrew Walker Carlton Echuca/Bendigo U18
Chris Yarran Carlton Swan Districts (WA)
Leon Davis Collingwood Perth (WA)
Brad Dick Collingwood East Fremantle (WA)
Andrew  Krakouer Collingwood South Fremantle (WA)/Collingwood/Swan Districts (WA)
Kirk Ugle  Collingwood Swan Districts (WA)
Sharrod Wellingham Collingwood Perth (WA)  
Alwyn Davey Essendon Palmerston (NT)/South Adelaide (SA)
Courtenay Dempsey Essendon Morningside (Qld)
Leroy Jetta Essendon South Fremantle (WA)
Anthony Long Essendon St Marys (NT)/Melbourne Grammar/Calder U18
Nathan Lovett-Murray Essendon Heywood/Nth Ball U18/Coll Rook/Bend Bomb/W'town
Patrick Ryder Essendon East Fremantle (WA)
Mark  Williams Essendon South Fremantle (WA)/Hawthorn
Jonathon Griffin Fremantle East Fremantle (WA)/Adelaide
Antoni Grover Fremantle Subiaco (WA)
Roger Hayden Fremantle South Fremantle (WA)
Stephen Hill Fremantle West Perth (WA)
Joel Houghton Fremantle Perth (WA)
Michael Johnson Fremantle Perth (WA)
Casey Sibosado Fremantle Beagle Bay (WA)/Xavier College/Oakleigh U18
Michael Walters Fremantle Swan Districts (WA)
Allen Christensen Geelong Cats Lara/Geelong U18
Steven Motlop Geelong Cats Wanderers (NT)
Mathew Stokes Geelong Cats Palmerston (NT)/Woodville-West Torrens (SA)
Travis Varcoe Geelong Cats Central District (SA)
Roland Ah Chee Gold Coast Suns Pioneers (NT)/Norwood (SA)
Harley Bennell  Gold Coast Suns Peel Thunder (WA)
Joseph Daye Gold Coast Suns Zillmere (Qld)
Jarrod Harbrow Gold Coast Suns Cairns (Qld)/Mooroopna/Murray U18/Wstrn Bldgs
Nathan Krakouer Gold Coast Suns Claremont (WA)/Port Adel
Rex Liddy Gold Coast Suns Kenmore (Qld)/Gold Coast U18
Brandon Matera Gold Coast Suns South Fremantle (WA)
Steven May Gold Coast Suns Southern Districts (NT)/Melbourne Grammar/NT U18
Tom Nicholls Gold Coast Suns St Kevins/Sandringham U18
Liam Patrick Gold Coast Suns Wanderers (NT)
Chance Bateman Hawthorn Perth (WA)
Shaun Burgoyne Hawthorn Port Adelaide (SANFL)/Port Adel
Lance Franklin Hawthorn Perth (WA)
Cyril Rioli Hawthorn St Marys (NT)/Scotch College
Derick Wanganeen Hawthorn Port Adelaide (SANFL)
Jamie Bennell Melbourne Swan Districts (WA)
Aaron Davey Melbourne Palmerston (NT)/Port Melbourne
Neville Jetta Melbourne Swan Districts (WA)
Liam Jurrah Melbourne Yuenduma Magpies (NT)/Collingwood VFL
Kelvin Lawrence Melbourne Peel Thunder (WA)
Austin Wonaeamirri Melbourne St Marys (NT)/Norwood (SA)
Matt Campbell North Melbourne Pioneers (NT)/North Adelaide (SA)
Cruize Garlett North Melbourne Perth (WA)
Lindsay Thomas North Melbourne Port Adelaide (SANFL)
Daniel Wells North Melbourne Peel Thunder (WA)
Daniel Motlop Port Adelaide Wanderers (NT)/North Adel (SA)/North Melb
Marlon Motlop Port Adelaide Wanderers (NT)
Danyle Pearce Port Adelaide Sturt (SA)
Raphael Clarke St Kilda St Marys (NT)
Nick Winmar St Kilda Claremont (WA)
Adam Goodes Sydney Swans Horsham/North Ballarat U18
Lewis Jetta Sydney Swans Swan Districts (WA)
Byron Sumner Sydney Swans Woodville-West Torrens (SA)
Lewis Broome West Coast Eagles Claremont (WA)
Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls West Coast Eagles East Perth (WA)/Richmond
Gerrick Weedon West Coast Eagles Claremont (WA)
Nathan Djerrkura Western Bulldogs Wanderers (NT)
Josh Hill Western Bulldogs Claremont (WA)
Liam Jones Western Bulldogs North Hobart/Tas U18/Scotch College
Zeph Skinner  Western Bulldogs Noonkanbah Blues/Claremont (WA)/Nightcliff/ NT Thunder
Brennan Stack Western Bulldogs Perth (WA)

Indiginous AFL players last year.

Xman the NRL have heaps of Aborigonal players also, really not telling us anything new here.
Do you have much else besides Anglo Aussie and Aboriginals? The answer is a clear NO.

[eelofwest]

Yes Xman a "few" players here and there is a start. We mustnt say there's nothing happening but, like RL in 1991, its close to nothing. I'm happy you're now seeing the light of day here. Personally I think we cant really come up with a good way forward until we realise whats stopping it.

The number 1 elephant in the room here is that darned name. I think thats a major factor.

On the positive side though the AFL's move into sydney is already producing much interest **** people of diverse ethnic backgrounds in sydney, particularly western sydney. So I'd imagine this is the product of smart marketing by the AFL along with large populations of now 2nd and third generation immigrants so this interest should grow organically from here.

But this wont be enough, those southern states and wa simply havent had the same multicultural boom that sydney has. More work should go into those markets. On a recent trip to perth i was amazed to see how many sudanese (i think thats where they were from) kids were kicking back in the mall. Massive numbers and the taxi drivers told me this has been a recent influx. Yes adelaide and wa let the code down but imo the worst is melb, a multicultural city. I cant figure out why when its real heartland is so multicultural, it remains such an anglo dominated competition. Somethings wrong down there. Perhaps you as a victorian could shed light on the matter Xman?

fyi the rabbitoes recently recruited a player of asian origin. He's pretty nifty too. Indian and srilankan folk in the NRL is pretty rare though, as in the AFL. I dont know why.

That Part is a big issue for me, we know Parts of AFL heartland are multicultural but does not seem to equate to anything of not in those melbourne teams mmmmm i wander why that is when the NRL heartland seems to have bucket loads of ethnic players rolling of the production line. The only thing i can put it down to is the attitudes within the organization, and it also pays to be 6ft in the AFL. :D This would definitely cut out allot of ethnic backgrounds with coaches flavoring players that are 6ft. What else could it be Xman enlighten us on this weird situations please....

[TLPG]

Do you have much else besides Anglo Aussie and Aboriginals? The answer is a clear NO.

It's a clear YES, you bloody idiot!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VFL/AFL_pl ... ackgrounds

51 different countries!!

51!!!

Beat that, thugby!

Oh that's right - you CAN'T!!