Talking Footy

enarelle wrote:

Average crowd numbers that have reduced less than 1% while all your your competition has lost 6-10% says we are loyal.

If NRL fans were loyal average crowd numbers would have doubled, not dropped by less than 1 percent. You are still behind, and I even request a source for this 6-10 percent drop you're talking about.

Topper I gave you a source. It is the AFL - just google AFL average crowds. They provide very detailed/informative information.

PS Loyalty is when they stay with you not grow. You cannot be loyal until you are onboard

ATTENDANCES
TOTAL AVG HIGH LOW
2003 6,351,251 34,331 79,451 10,233
2004 6,374,775 34,458 77,671 7,222
2005 6,761,952 36,551 91,898 10,431
2006 6,736,851 36,415 97,431 8,258
2007 7,052,796 38,123 98,002 11,133
2008 7,084,759 38,296 100,012 6,354
2009 6,999,447 37,835 99,251 7,311
2010 7,156,788 38,477 100,016 8,848
2011 7,142,912 36,443 99,537 7,255
61,661,531 36,769 100,016 6,354
The difference between 2010 and 2011 is 2,034 per game or 5.2%
2034 per game x8 is 16,272 per round .
13,000 per round is the reduced capacity of the Gold Coast stadium on the 2010 average of 38k.

cos789 wrote:

ATTENDANCES
TOTAL AVG HIGH LOW
2003 6,351,251 34,331 79,451 10,233
2004 6,374,775 34,458 77,671 7,222
2005 6,761,952 36,551 91,898 10,431
2006 6,736,851 36,415 97,431 8,258
2007 7,052,796 38,123 98,002 11,133
2008 7,084,759 38,296 100,012 6,354
2009 6,999,447 37,835 99,251 7,311
2010 7,156,788 38,477 100,016 8,848
2011 7,142,912 36,443 99,537 7,255
61,661,531 36,769 100,016 6,354
The difference between 2010 and 2011 is 2,034 per game or 5.2%
2034 per game x8 is 16,272 per round .
13,000 per round is the reduced capacity of the Gold Coast stadium on the 2010 average of 38k.

One thing those figures show is the trend for AFL crowds is going up nicely. Sure the average went down last year, but its no coincidence that bold expansion came in the same year. If the trend was down over the decade, or down without expansion, like the NRL last year, there may be cause for concern.

But no, it's all good. :D

And with such a high average, I wouldn't be worried at all of such a small drop.

Xman wrote:

enarelle wrote:

Average crowd numbers that have reduced less than 1% while all your your competition has lost 6-10% says we are loyal.

Nope, it says youre not expanding.
AFL have new teams plus play more often in new locations, yet still more than double the NRL's average.

expansion accounted for about a 2% drop

what about the other 4%

but but but
derp derp derp ......... its the delltones ..

And another burp in reply.

cos789 wrote:

ATTENDANCES
TOTAL AVG HIGH LOW
2003 6,351,251 34,331 79,451 10,233
2004 6,374,775 34,458 77,671 7,222
2005 6,761,952 36,551 91,898 10,431
2006 6,736,851 36,415 97,431 8,258
2007 7,052,796 38,123 98,002 11,133
2008 7,084,759 38,296 100,012 6,354
2009 6,999,447 37,835 99,251 7,311
2010 7,156,788 38,477 100,016 8,848
2011 7,142,912 36,443 99,537 7,255
61,661,531 36,769 100,016 6,354
The difference between 2010 and 2011 is 2,034 per game or 5.2%
2034 per game x8 is 16,272 per round .
13,000 per round is the reduced capacity of the Gold Coast stadium on the 2010 average of 38k.

whadda mean reduced capacity
take the Thuns out altogether

you have exactly the same size grounds as 2010
the average drops .. still .. by ova a 1000 a game

or 180K ova the season ....
no other way to explain that .. other then the comp stinks ...

& it will REEK .. again.. in 2012

Raiderdave wrote:

cos789 wrote:

ATTENDANCES
TOTAL AVG HIGH LOW
2003 6,351,251 34,331 79,451 10,233
2004 6,374,775 34,458 77,671 7,222
2005 6,761,952 36,551 91,898 10,431
2006 6,736,851 36,415 97,431 8,258
2007 7,052,796 38,123 98,002 11,133
2008 7,084,759 38,296 100,012 6,354
2009 6,999,447 37,835 99,251 7,311
2010 7,156,788 38,477 100,016 8,848
2011 7,142,912 36,443 99,537 7,255
61,661,531 36,769 100,016 6,354
The difference between 2010 and 2011 is 2,034 per game or 5.2%
2034 per game x8 is 16,272 per round .
13,000 per round is the reduced capacity of the Gold Coast stadium on the 2010 average of 38k.

whadda mean reduced capacity
take the Thuns out altogether

you have exactly the same size grounds as 2010
the average drops .. still .. by ova a 1000 a game

or 180K ova the season ....
no other way to explain that .. other then the comp stinks ...

& it will REEK .. again.. in 2012

Both the AFL and nrl had a reduction in crowd averages. The AFLs can be explained by aggressive expansion. And the NRL?

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

cos789 wrote:

ATTENDANCES
TOTAL AVG HIGH LOW
2003 6,351,251 34,331 79,451 10,233
2004 6,374,775 34,458 77,671 7,222
2005 6,761,952 36,551 91,898 10,431
2006 6,736,851 36,415 97,431 8,258
2007 7,052,796 38,123 98,002 11,133
2008 7,084,759 38,296 100,012 6,354
2009 6,999,447 37,835 99,251 7,311
2010 7,156,788 38,477 100,016 8,848
2011 7,142,912 36,443 99,537 7,255
61,661,531 36,769 100,016 6,354
The difference between 2010 and 2011 is 2,034 per game or 5.2%
2034 per game x8 is 16,272 per round .
13,000 per round is the reduced capacity of the Gold Coast stadium on the 2010 average of 38k.

whadda mean reduced capacity
take the Thuns out altogether

you have exactly the same size grounds as 2010
the average drops .. still .. by ova a 1000 a game

or 180K ova the season ....
no other way to explain that .. other then the comp stinks ...

& it will REEK .. again.. in 2012

Both the AFL and nrl had a reduction in crowd averages. The AFLs can be explained by aggressive expansion. And the NRL?

It can't
180K not attributed to expansion
just the fact the AFL is a lop sided uncompetitive bucket of puke ... & people are jack of it

the NRL's miniscule drop ..0.8% ... or 26,000 fans
the highest number of rain affected games in ova 40 years

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

whadda mean reduced capacity
take the Thuns out altogether

you have exactly the same size grounds as 2010
the average drops .. still .. by ova a 1000 a game

or 180K ova the season ....
no other way to explain that .. other then the comp stinks ...

& it will REEK .. again.. in 2012

Both the AFL and nrl had a reduction in crowd averages. The AFLs can be explained by aggressive expansion. And the NRL?

It can't
180K not attributed to expansion
just the fact the AFL is a lop sided uncompetitive bucket of puke ... & people are jack of it

the NRL's miniscule drop ..0.8% ... or 26,000 fans
the highest number of rain affected games in ova 40 years

The entire east coast had excessive rain. Melbourne had one of the wettest years on record. Sydney was wet, Brisbane was wet. That combined with expansion and a lopsided season are the reasons the AFL had a reduction in average crowds. However they still had more fans attend games than ever before, over double the NRL, despite games in Launceston, cairns, act and Darwin.

But anyone with a brain will look at the trend over a number of years, and the AFL crowds have been steadily climbing.

Topper wrote:

And with such a high average, I wouldn't be worried at all of such a small drop.

Yes, playing games at the 25k capacity Carrara was always going to incur a 4% reduction.
The remaining 1% reduction cab be quite easily put down to some poor onfield performances.
When you consider the general gobal finacial situation it's a pretty good result.
An onfield turn around by some of the bottom teams this year could produce some big improvements in crowds
however the introduction of the GWS probably will mean a further reduction in averages.

In fact since the year 2000 the NRL have increased in crowd averages by less than 2k and the AFL have increased in crowd average by over 2k.

And, this takes into account last years reduction in AFL crowds!

So, it's all good for the AFL.

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

Both the AFL and nrl had a reduction in crowd averages. The AFLs can be explained by aggressive expansion. And the NRL?

It can't
180K not attributed to expansion
just the fact the AFL is a lop sided uncompetitive bucket of puke ... & people are jack of it

the NRL's miniscule drop ..0.8% ... or 26,000 fans
the highest number of rain affected games in ova 40 years

The entire east coast had excessive rain. Melbourne had one of the wettest years on record. Sydney was wet, Brisbane was wet. That combined with expansion and a lopsided season are the reasons the AFL had a reduction in average crowds. However they still had more fans attend games than ever before, over double the NRL, despite games in Launceston, cairns, act and Darwin.

But anyone with a brain will look at the trend over a number of years, and the AFL crowds have been steadily climbing.

It can rain from Monday to Thursday... but be dry from Friday to Sun ( what occured in the AFL states ) & it still ends up being a very wet year

in the Nth... it was the complete reverse
I said Rain effected games
no one can remember an RL season like 2011 for games that were rained on

don't try that more fans BS either
less then 30K more overall... is the end result ...& it cost a fair bit to get this pathetic increase too .. 50 , 60 Million bucks
geez I hope they were worth it

as for trends going north ... its over for the time being
it will settle down to 30K ... a tad less maybe in a few years
all the nthn sides will continue to drag it down ...

meanwhile the NRL has huge scope for growth crowds wise ... as we move into bigger .. better stadia
massive increases in memberships
we'll crack 20K around the same time

And that's the cost of expansion. The AFL can more than afford to take a hit on crowd averages. After all, it's been climbing steadily year after year, and more than the NRL for the past 11.