NRL Fudged Membership Numbers

[Beaussie]

I don't know why your talking about crowds and TV ratings when the issue was that clubs were including leagues club membership in their total membership tallies. Which I'm still waiting for you to provide evidence that this is in fact occurring.

They alter the crowd numbers and the TV ratings. Therefore it follows that they alter the membership numbers. I couldn't be more plainer than that, cooee. Provide sources totally independant of RL that back up your claims.

they alter nothing .... as has been proven 100 times

Fudging figures in the NRL has been proven time and time again. You just pretend the issue doesn't exist. No surprise why. How embarrassing.

Just some of the many examples of fudging figures in the NRL are set out below.

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MANLY coach Des Hasler fired a broadside at the NRL last night, claiming they had 'fudged' the paltry crowd of just over 13,000 that bothered to turn up to the SFS.


Storm CEO claims crowd figures inflated
Stathi Paxinos
June 1, 2011

MELBOURNE Storm chief executive Ron Gauci has declared reported crowd figures are commonly inflated to make clubs look better

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z1O1LrDZw3


More than 16,000 showed up at Suns v Western Bulldogs (2.10pm kick-off) and only 12,997 at the Titans v Sharks (5.30pm kick-off) a figure that looked hugely inflated judging by the number of empty seats.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 6082349293


Souths' dodgy crowd figures
By Josh Massoud and James Phelps
The Daily Telegraph
June 26, 200812:00AM

SOUTH Sydney have conceded they include stadium workers, media, referees - and possibly players - when counting home crowds.

The stunning admission came after a special investigation into the attendance at Monday night's game against Gold Coast Titans at ANZ Stadium.

After monitoring each turnstile, The Daily Telegraph's clickers tracked 7522 people into the ground from the time gates opened at 4.45pm until midway through the first half.

The Rabbitohs later announced an official crowd of 9827.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/nrl- ... 1116735208

[enarelle]

You dont need a link to work out that AFL has lost ground north of the Murray in the last 5 years just some basic maths. Five years ago the AFL lead the NRL by 10m TV viewers for the season. This year the NRL lead the AFL by 15m having taken the lead 3 years ago. This is an increase to the NRL of 25m. There has been no more NRL or less AFL played over the last 5years. Nearly all the NRL increase would have been in NSW/QLD. In this same period the AFL TV viewers north of the Murray went backwards. Last year even with an additional team the TV ratings in QLD went backwards. The same has occurred with memberships with the AFL going backwards this year,primarily because the Lions lost 10k in members. The Swans reported that after 5 years of declining membership this year it finally stabilized.

The result is that in the last 5 years the NRL has become significantly stronger north of the Murray while the AFL has gone backwards

[Topper]

AFL beat NRL by 13 million in 2011. 85 million to 72 million. You are believing altered figures, enarelle.

[enarelle]

Dear Topper they are not altered figures I use but rather they are the total figures for the whole country for both codes for the whole year. You are using it would appear only the 5 city numbers for the year excluding games like SOO. Yours is a subset of the full figures. The numbers by the way are not produced by the NRL or the AFL but by organizations independent of both codes. The AFL has still not challenged the total ratings which is a clear indication of there accuracy and validity

[cos789]

It's seems whatever the topic, a rl fan's answer is some dodgey cumulative ratings figures.
Clearly they have given up the fight and are admitting they fudge memberships figures.

[enarelle]

Firstly what is dodgy about cumulative ratings for the whole year? The only thing that is "dodgy" from an AFL perspective is that they lose and they are losing by more each year

Secondly no one has shown the NRL figures to be dodgy. A 5% variation in numbers between two reports that are six months apart. does not make for either a significant variation or dodgy

Thirdly I have yet to see a viable explanation how a team like Richmond can claim to have 42k in members but have an average home attendance well under that number. Of course it is quite achievable if the membership is not a fully ticketed one but the AFL crew seem to believe that all the AFL members are fully ticketed. This is AFL Myth 289. You only have to look at the websites to see the different types of AFL membership.

Meanwhile the AFL continues to retreat north of the Murray as the NRL grows and grows.

[Topper]

Dear Topper they are not altered figures I use but rather they are the total figures for the whole country for both codes for the whole year. You are using it would appear only the 5 city numbers for the year excluding games like SOO. Yours is a subset of the full figures. The numbers by the way are not produced by the NRL or the AFL but by organizations independent of both codes. The AFL has still not challenged the total ratings which is a clear indication of there accuracy and validity

They haven't challenged them because they know that the NRL TV deal will not included the State of Origin, or any other representative football. This is because they are not NRL games. They are ARL games. The figures I quoted are the full figures. The figures you quoted come from unreliable sources that the AFL and advertisers pay no attention to because they ultimately do not pay the bills. The full figures therefore are 85 millions to the AFL and 72 million to the NRL. To say otherwise is to lie and continue the habit of altering figures that is inherent in NRL culture (see the crowd figures being altered as linked by Beaussie).

The "dodgy" factor are the regional ratings. Nothing reliable exists on any level, so they should be totally ignored. The AFL is ignoring them as they should. The NRL use them only because they are apparently favouring them, and only for that reason. If the shoe was on the other foot so to speak, the NRL would be ignoring them as well. They should be ignoring them no matter what.

[enarelle]

This is some seriously off with the fairies stuff. While it will be shortly redundant the ARL is a partner in the NRL so SOO does count and will count when the Independent commission takes over. The idea that SOO will not be sought by TV stations like were does that come from? What level of desperation believes that the TV stations will not go big time after the highest rating group of games each year?

The AFL not only does not challenge the NRL TV ratings it actually endorses and uses the same independent source namely the Repucom report. Clearly Topper you need to understand your own code some what better.

The NRL has produced the highest aggregate audience for all Australian sport for the third year in a row. The lead over the AFL has progressed from 4m to 15m without an extra game of NRL being played or one less of AFL.

[Beaussie]

It's seems whatever the topic, a rl fan's answer is some dodgey cumulative ratings figures.
Clearly they have given up the fight and are admitting they fudge memberships figures.

Funny that isn't it. Whenever they lose an argument, the pull the dodgy tv ratings line. Pathetic.

[enarelle]

We have done a poll and over overwhelmingly the people of NSW/ACT/QLD have decided to include all the people that live in this area in the ratings. Amazingly this is what Nielsen and Repucom and other do when compiling all the TV ratings. Go figure.

I really hate to tell you boys but SOO is already part of the current TV deal

Of course we still wait for the explanation on how AFL clubs have significantly higher membership numbers than their home crowd attendances. is it possible that they have members who are not fully ticketed???? So it is so. Tell me that the devotees of the new AFL Comedy channel did not launch an "attack" on NRL membership and not check there own setup?

Of course my earlier point had related to the lack of progress of the AFL north of the Murray and indeed they have gone backwards in the last 5 years and it shows in memberships and in TV ratings. Now here is the "amazing" part for you AFL devotees if using the TV ratings for NSW/QLD/ACT to compare NRL to AFL then there can be no contention about the numbers as they are a direct comparison using exactly the same data. So in the last 5 years NRL has grown dramatically across this region and the AFL has gone backwards.

Of course you could just compare how the NRL rates in Sydney/Brisbane compared to AFL and guess what happens over the last 5 years.

The AFL have become so desperate to improve their fortunes north of the Murray that they are paying $30m a year extra to try and gain a few more spectators,members and TV ratings. The cost per person is enormous and perhaps why many in the AFL heap scorn on this "growth" strategy. Of course where else were they going to go?

[Topper]

This is some seriously off with the fairies stuff. While it will be shortly redundant the ARL is a partner in the NRL so SOO does count and will count when the Independent commission takes over. The idea that SOO will not be sought by TV stations like were does that come from? What level of desperation believes that the TV stations will not go big time after the highest rating group of games each year?

The AFL not only does not challenge the NRL TV ratings it actually endorses and uses the same independent source namely the Repucom report. Clearly Topper you need to understand your own code some what better.

The NRL has produced the highest aggregate audience for all Australian sport for the third year in a row. The lead over the AFL has progressed from 4m to 15m without an extra game of NRL being played or one less of AFL.

It is clear that you do not understand what is truly happening, enarelle. The ARL already has a contract with Channel 9 for the State of Origin and all other representative matches. It will not be up for negotiation when the next NRL TV deal comes up. The AFL endorses the same report simply because they know that when it comes to TV deals, regional viewing figures will make no difference. So it doesn't matter if they are accurate or not (and they are not). The AFL won in 2011 by 13 million and this can not be denied. To do so is to alter the figures as I have constantly said in an unreliable and inaccurate manner.

[enarelle]

Seriously Topper while it is pretty clear you no nothing about rugby league but you cannot have missed the discussion/conversation about whether the NRL will split out the SOO in the next round of TV negotiations. If you cannot get even this basic point right then you can have no credibility on other issues

On ratings your appeal has been sent to the stewards and dismissed. You have failed along with all the other AFL flunkies that the regional ratings are incorrect/biased etc.

The only "problem" with the Regional ratings is that they are collated separately which then encourages the desperate AFL fan to dismiss them because horror of horrors rugby league has surged to the lead. The warm cozy feeling that the 5 city ratings give the AFL fan is an illusion and if they looked close enough they would see the NRL closing in.

[Topper]

You are severely out of touch with reality, enarelle. Channel Nine have the State of Origin locked in well beyond the next NRL TV deal so it will not be part of the deal. Prove that it will be with independant links, please.

[cooee]

You are severely out of touch with reality, enarelle. Channel Nine have the State of Origin locked in well beyond the next NRL TV deal so it will not be part of the deal. Prove that it will be with independant links, please.

Channel Nine now pays $40 million cash a year for all rugby league free-to-air rights, including NRL matches, Origin, finals, tests and Four Nations games. The NRL chief executive, David Gallop, has indicated he may unbundle the various properties for sale when the existing rights agreement concludes at the end of the 2012 season.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/value-of ... z1hjKez6JH

[enarelle]

Thank you Cooee although I doubt this will be end of it as Topper has some very "creative" ways when it comes to dealing with the facts.

PS Topper how are you going with the "proof" / independent links that show all aboriginals are born in the Northern Territory? I still think this is my all time favourite.