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Re: The No.1 Football Code In Australia

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:52 pm
by pussycat
Xman wrote:
pussycat wrote:
The AFL made a profit of 210m in 210 , What was your TV money that year? 120-140m?. I doubt your profit more than doubled last year. Your new TV deal would have seen a profit of a little over 200m last year.
True, but it is still less than 20% of the AFLs total revenue, excluding club revenues. You could say that about all their revenue streams. Unfortunately for the NRL it is worth about double that to them because their other revenue streams are so poor in comparison.

Rally the only thing the NRL can brag about is TV, and we know that the AFL have had a better deal, and will still probably have a better deal for years to come anyway. Yet this only takes up a small proportion of the AFLs income.

So by what measure are you saying the NRL are number one? Because they play in your area?

Our game has been shackled for more than 15years - we are now breaking free of those shackels.

If the AFL do get a better TV deal this time , if - it will be the last time.

Who did News LTD reguard as number 1 ???

Re: The No.1 Football Code In Australia

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:07 pm
by Xman
pussycat wrote:
Xman wrote:
pussycat wrote:
The AFL made a profit of 210m in 210 , What was your TV money that year? 120-140m?. I doubt your profit more than doubled last year. Your new TV deal would have seen a profit of a little over 200m last year.
True, but it is still less than 20% of the AFLs total revenue, excluding club revenues. You could say that about all their revenue streams. Unfortunately for the NRL it is worth about double that to them because their other revenue streams are so poor in comparison.

Rally the only thing the NRL can brag about is TV, and we know that the AFL have had a better deal, and will still probably have a better deal for years to come anyway. Yet this only takes up a small proportion of the AFLs income.

So by what measure are you saying the NRL are number one? Because they play in your area?

Our game has been shackled for more than 15years - we are now breaking free of those shackels.

If the AFL do get a better TV deal this time , if - it will be the last time.

Who did News LTD reguard as number 1 ???
So your answer to which code is number one is: "we would be if we were not shackled by the very group who supposedly said were number 1 when they bought us"

#-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o

Re: The No.1 Football Code In Australia

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:27 pm
by pussycat
I dont claim that we are no1(financially) at the moment.. We soon will be though, because the NRL has a superior product!

Re: The No.1 Football Code In Australia

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:38 pm
by Xman
pussycat wrote:
I dont claim that we are no1(financially) at the moment.. We soon will be though, because the NRL has a superior product!
Finally we have an admission!! I'm really interested though, in what area do you think the NRL are in front?

Funny thing is the AFL are getting richer and more popular than the NRL every year. Effectively the answer to this question will never change. Why would it? The NRls expansion teams in Australia are weak ie storm, titans, cowboys. Even some of their heartland teams are on the brink of extinction ie panthers, raiders, sharks. Their plans for expansion outside their heartland states are laughable given there is little grass roots development or participation, or more importantly, interest.

Re: The No.1 Football Code In Australia

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:36 pm
by Raiderdave
Xman wrote:
pussycat wrote:
I dont claim that we are no1(financially) at the moment.. We soon will be though, because the NRL has a superior product!
Finally we have an admission!! I'm really interested though, in what area do you think the NRL are in front?

Funny thing is the AFL are getting richer and more popular than the NRL every year. Effectively the answer to this question will never change. Why would it? The NRls expansion teams in Australia are weak ie storm, titans, cowboys. Even some of their heartland teams are on the brink of extinction ie panthers, raiders, sharks. Their plans for expansion outside their heartland states are laughable given there is little grass roots development or participation, or more importantly, interest.

oh well how bout numbers of veiwers
136 million to 122 Million making our game the most popular in the country


the VFL is getting less popular... falling attendances .. & TV ratings on the back of a very lop sided & uninteresting comp , & the VFL is spending more then it now earns, .. with clubs failing left right & centre ....this next phase of expansion to be the death knell ..
nothing else to intice new fans & the cr@p they do have not good enough to keep the ones they have outside of the heartland .... no domestic rep season .. or international program that all its competitors can put on
... its one dimensionality will be its eventual demise :wink:

Re: The No.1 Football Code In Australia

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:49 pm
by Xman
Raiderdave wrote:
Xman wrote:
pussycat wrote:
I dont claim that we are no1(financially) at the moment.. We soon will be though, because the NRL has a superior product!
Finally we have an admission!! I'm really interested though, in what area do you think the NRL are in front?

Funny thing is the AFL are getting richer and more popular than the NRL every year. Effectively the answer to this question will never change. Why would it? The NRls expansion teams in Australia are weak ie storm, titans, cowboys. Even some of their heartland teams are on the brink of extinction ie panthers, raiders, sharks. Their plans for expansion outside their heartland states are laughable given there is little grass roots development or participation, or more importantly, interest.

oh well how bout numbers of veiwers
136 million to 122 Million making our game the most popular in the country


the VFL is getting less popular... falling attendances .. & TV ratings on the back of a very lop sided & uninteresting comp , & the VFL is spending more then it now earns, .. with clubs failing left right & centre ....this next phase of expansion to be the death knell ..
nothing else to intice new fans & the cr@p they do have not good enough to keep the ones they have outside of the heartland .... no domestic rep season .. or international program that all its competitors can put on
... its one dimensionality will be its eventual demise :wink:
You mean those numbers that include AR rep games and not NRL? The numbers that also include more rounds per season and more games per round?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

That's all you've got isn't it? The crowds, memberships, money, media interest, national coverage, all HEAVILY favour the AFL!

The rest of your dribble is just factually bs!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: The No.1 Football Code In Australia

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:45 pm
by Raiderdave
Xman wrote:
Raiderdave wrote:
Xman wrote:
Finally we have an admission!! I'm really interested though, in what area do you think the NRL are in front?

Funny thing is the AFL are getting richer and more popular than the NRL every year. Effectively the answer to this question will never change. Why would it? The NRls expansion teams in Australia are weak ie storm, titans, cowboys. Even some of their heartland teams are on the brink of extinction ie panthers, raiders, sharks. Their plans for expansion outside their heartland states are laughable given there is little grass roots development or participation, or more importantly, interest.

oh well how bout numbers of veiwers
136 million to 122 Million making our game the most popular in the country


the VFL is getting less popular... falling attendances .. & TV ratings on the back of a very lop sided & uninteresting comp , & the VFL is spending more then it now earns, .. with clubs failing left right & centre ....this next phase of expansion to be the death knell ..
nothing else to intice new fans & the cr@p they do have not good enough to keep the ones they have outside of the heartland .... no domestic rep season .. or international program that all its competitors can put on
... its one dimensionality will be its eventual demise :wink:
You mean those numbers that include AR rep games and not NRL? The numbers that also include more rounds per season and more games per round?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

That's all you've got isn't it? The crowds, memberships, money, media interest, national coverage, all HEAVILY favour the AFL!

The rest of your dribble is just factually bs!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
really ?
192 games in the NRL
187 games in the VFL

origin attracted 10 million veiwers ... yet we beat you by 15 Million

but but but

VFL... Numb 2 :wink:

Re: The No.1 Football Code In Australia

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:00 pm
by Xman
last year was NRL 201 + rep games like SOO, AFL was 196.

The major issue was 7 available games to watch in the NRL per week verses 4.5 AFL games per week. This is despite the viewing hours being almost identical. What utter rubbish! #-o

Re: The No.1 Football Code In Australia

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:49 am
by Xman
Manly boss David Perry said it was no coincidence the Broncos are by far the most profitable club in the NRL, with a turnover of about $30 million per season. ''When you are getting free-to-air TV games scheduled weekly, your TV viewership numbers are significantly higher … so to a potential investor, we are significantly disadvantaged,'' he said.
Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/rugby-l ... z1p1naPZrj

Hmmm, the average Melbourne club turns over 35million, with collingwood 70m and essendon, Carlton, WC, Fremantle 50m.

Yet the Bronco's are by far the most profitable at 30m :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: The No.1 Football Code In Australia

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:56 pm
by pussycat
Our game does need to pick up in some areas. But if we already have 4 of the top 5 ratig games between our two sports. The 2nd most popular subject on the planet, on twitter the other week, then you can only begin to imagine how far were going to kick your butt when we do pick up in those other areas..

Is it a 20m hand out the AFL give the suns each year? What about the Gold Cost? The Swans? the Adelaide clubs?



http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/08/10/af ... ss-divide/

By Sam Lienert, 10 Aug 2011 Sam Lienert is a Roar Pro


A slanging match involving three of the AFL’s highest-profile club presidents has erupted over the league’s plan to narrow the spending gap between rich and poor.

Collingwood president Eddie McGuire has criticised the plan to pump more money into struggling clubs, so they can invest enough in their football departments to be competitive on-field.

McGuire said increasing handouts would leave such clubs too reliant on the AFL “drip” feed and they would be better off “dying on your feet than living on your knees”.

Kennett said that having a high proportion of clubs surviving on handouts was “unsustainable” and made those clubs too frightened to question AFL decisions.

But North Melbourne counterpart James Brayshaw – whose club will be one of the main beneficiaries – hit back angrily, saying helping strugglers will make all clubs better off.

“It’s nice of a couple of the competition fat cats to view their brethren so generously,” Brayshaw said sarcastically of McGuire and Kennett.

“I’m not really sure what Ed and Jeff want. Do they want to end up with a competition where they just play themselves every week?

“I just think it’s a ridiculous premise, to be honest.”

Brayshaw said the financial success of the richer clubs relied heavily on the AFL’s recently-announced $1.25 billion broadcast deal, which would not have occurred without an 18-team competition.

He added the AFL’s increased distributions should not be termed handouts, as they would be conditional on clubs increasing their own revenue sources and supporter numbers.

He said the funding was needed to counter inequities in areas such as the AFL fixture, stadium contracts and match timeslots.

“We can equalise the gate, we can make Friday nights (available for all clubs to) take them in turns, we can make the big nights available to all the clubs one after the other, the marquee days,” Brayshaw said.

“But if we went down that path, you would hear those two start squealing very loudly.”

Brayshaw’s comments came after McGuire compared clubs receiving special AFL assistance to Australia’s indigenous community.

“Have a look at what welfare has done for Aboriginal Australia. It’s been fantastic hasn’t it?” McGuire said on Triple M radio.

“This is what we’re getting with the AFL.

“If you’ve got clubs who think the only way they can prosper is to meekly put their hands out and maybe get a few crumbs off the table of the AFL, they’re never going to fight their way to the top.”

Kennett said the Magpies, Hawks and Geelong – the AFL’s three most recent premiers – had all been close to extinction within the past 15 years, but had fought their own way out with good business models.

“Unfortunately, for a number of years now, many of those businesses have not been run successfully enough to be sustainable, independent of the mother ship, which is the AFL,” he said of less successful rivals.

Kennett expected at least half the AFL’s clubs would receive special assistance next season.

“The chances of them rebounding financially in the next five years is very limited. So we do have an underlying issue. It’s a question of sustainability.”

© AAP 2012

Really, that says it all there really is no more need for any further discussion on this subject? =D> =D> :wink:

Re: The No.1 Football Code In Australia

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:28 pm
by Xman
Twitter? LOL

As I have explained to you, TV is the only area the NRL compare and the reason is clear. You have your entire heartland in two states. You target those two states each and every FN with 2 live games. The AFL have a diverse audience over many states which cannot be targeted by one or even two games. The AFL catch up by strong ratings for many matches, where as the NRL audiences drop off when the game is delayed and not targeted.

SOO is strong and 3 of the 4 RL games you mentioned were SOO. however these games target every RL supporter, just like the Olympics target every Australian. They are not a comparison of NRL v AFL.

Re: The No.1 Football Code In Australia

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:37 pm
by pussycat
Xman wrote:
Twitter? LOL

As I have explained to you, TV is the only area the NRL compare and the reason is clear. You have your entire heartland in two states. You target those two states each and every FN with 2 live games. The AFL have a diverse audience over many states which cannot be targeted by one or even two games. The AFL catch up by strong ratings for many matches, where as the NRL audiences drop off when the game is delayed and not targeted.

SOO is strong and 3 of the 4 RL games you mentioned were SOO. however these games target every RL supporter, just like the Olympics target every Australian. They are not a comparison of NRL v AFL.

What type of mediation are you on ??? Its simply rep football , the best of club football.

Re: The No.1 Football Code In Australia

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:50 pm
by Xman
pussycat wrote:
Xman wrote:
Twitter? LOL

As I have explained to you, TV is the only area the NRL compare and the reason is clear. You have your entire heartland in two states. You target those two states each and every FN with 2 live games. The AFL have a diverse audience over many states which cannot be targeted by one or even two games. The AFL catch up by strong ratings for many matches, where as the NRL audiences drop off when the game is delayed and not targeted.

SOO is strong and 3 of the 4 RL games you mentioned were SOO. however these games target every RL supporter, just like the Olympics target every Australian. They are not a comparison of NRL v AFL.

What type of mediation are you on ??? Its simply rep football , the best of club football.
Meditation? Yoga!

Yeah, it's rep ball, and relevant to all RL fans, and relevant to all sports fans from NSW and QLD. It is not a sign of NrL strength. It's a sign of rep ball strength.

Re: The No.1 Football Code In Australia

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:30 pm
by Raiderdave
Xman wrote:
pussycat wrote:
Xman wrote:
Twitter? LOL

As I have explained to you, TV is the only area the NRL compare and the reason is clear. You have your entire heartland in two states. You target those two states each and every FN with 2 live games. The AFL have a diverse audience over many states which cannot be targeted by one or even two games. The AFL catch up by strong ratings for many matches, where as the NRL audiences drop off when the game is delayed and not targeted.

SOO is strong and 3 of the 4 RL games you mentioned were SOO. however these games target every RL supporter, just like the Olympics target every Australian. They are not a comparison of NRL v AFL.

What type of mediation are you on ??? Its simply rep football , the best of club football.
Meditation? Yoga!

Yeah, it's rep ball, and relevant to all RL fans, and relevant to all sports fans from NSW and QLD. It is not a sign of NrL strength. It's a sign of rep ball strength.

8-[

:lol: :lol: :lol:

VFL is withering ... it has a very ordinary club comp

&

:-k

8-[

pass the salt

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: The No.1 Football Code In Australia

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:31 pm
by Xman
Raiderdave wrote:
Xman wrote:
pussycat wrote:

What type of mediation are you on ??? Its simply rep football , the best of club football.
Meditation? Yoga!

Yeah, it's rep ball, and relevant to all RL fans, and relevant to all sports fans from NSW and QLD. It is not a sign of NrL strength. It's a sign of rep ball strength.

8-[

:lol: :lol: :lol:

VFL is withering ... it has a very ordinary club comp

&

:-k

8-[

pass the salt

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yet it beats all other Australian comps put together! =D>