Talking Footy

Phelpsy wrote:

Again, I think you're getting your analogy mixed up... Actually I'm not even sure it is even relevant. If you want to know how many people watched a match (the same match) on TV .. Then you would add up all the figures of those watching on TV. As pies and myself have said, those watching on pay TV would be watching on fta if they did not have fox.

pussycat wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

pussycat wrote:

Phelpsy wrote:

If you want to know the average of the people watching AFL on TV you add up all the people watching on TV. Then you divide this by how many games there were. So if 100000 were watching on TV, say 70000 on 7, 20000 on 7 mate, and 10000 on fox, you would divide that by number of games. Let's say there were 4 games. That gives us an average of 25000 people watching per game .... On average. Hope that makes it clearer.

Pay Tv and FTA TV are 2 separate things and need to be treated separately. One goes to all viewers while one is limited to 30% viewers. Like I have said before its like adding a batsman's one day runs and his test match runs ,and claiming that you can work out his batting average this way.

That's crazy talk pussy. It's not like you can watch a commercial network channel and pay TV and get counted as two seperate people. Most who have fox sports watch it on fox because there are no adds. But if it wasn't on fox and was only on FTA they would be watching it on FTA. AFL isn't getting a single extra viewer by simulcasting it. All anyone wants to know is how many people in Australia are watching a game on TV. If you care enough you will either be at the game or watching it on TV and either way you should be counted. Most of the RL fans are added up and counted, its a shame they can't do the same for the AR fans. I'm looking forward to the day when we only look at the national audience, rather then adding up all the bits and pieces and finding that there are still bits missing.

In one way AFL wins every Friday night when you compare the two sports game vs game. Maybe we should be taking away your Qld viewers for Friday night and puting them as a different games ratings because they are watching a completely different game to your NSW viewers. Its much more logical then taking away AFLs PTV viewers who are watching the same game at the same time as the FTA viewers.

I'm not saying anyone shouldn't be counted or anything like that. What I'm saying is that PTV and FTA Tv are 2 different things and they need to be treated that way. FTA's audience are unlimited (or limited only by Australia's total population) and can't be treated the same as something that has a maximum audience of 30% or so. Apples aren't oranges. One day cricket isn't test cricket. You cant add the both sets of runs together for both and get the batsman's average. He has a one day average and a test match average but not one that combines both. Just like FTA and PTV are different things.

piesman2011 wrote:

pussycat wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

pussycat wrote:

Phelpsy wrote:

If you want to know the average of the people watching AFL on TV you add up all the people watching on TV. Then you divide this by how many games there were. So if 100000 were watching on TV, say 70000 on 7, 20000 on 7 mate, and 10000 on fox, you would divide that by number of games. Let's say there were 4 games. That gives us an average of 25000 people watching per game .... On average. Hope that makes it clearer.

Pay Tv and FTA TV are 2 separate things and need to be treated separately. One goes to all viewers while one is limited to 30% viewers. Like I have said before its like adding a batsman's one day runs and his test match runs ,and claiming that you can work out his batting average this way.

That's crazy talk pussy. It's not like you can watch a commercial network channel and pay TV and get counted as two seperate people. Most who have fox sports watch it on fox because there are no adds. But if it wasn't on fox and was only on FTA they would be watching it on FTA. AFL isn't getting a single extra viewer by simulcasting it. All anyone wants to know is how many people in Australia are watching a game on TV. If you care enough you will either be at the game or watching it on TV and either way you should be counted. Most of the RL fans are added up and counted, its a shame they can't do the same for the AR fans. I'm looking forward to the day when we only look at the national audience, rather then adding up all the bits and pieces and finding that there are still bits missing.

In one way AFL wins every Friday night when you compare the two sports game vs game. Maybe we should be taking away your Qld viewers for Friday night and puting them as a different games ratings because they are watching a completely different game to your NSW viewers. Its much more logical then taking away AFLs PTV viewers who are watching the same game at the same time as the FTA viewers.

I'm not saying anyone shouldn't be counted or anything like that. What I'm saying is that PTV and FTA Tv are 2 different things and they need to be treated that way. FTA's audience are unlimited (or limited only by Australia's total population) and can't be treated the same as something that has a maximum audience of 30% or so. Apples aren't oranges. One day cricket isn't test cricket. You cant add the both sets of runs together for both and get the batsman's average. He has a one day average and a test match average but not one that combines both. Just like FTA and PTV are different things.

It's all about who is watching a live game. I want to know how many it is for FTA/PTV/phones/internet/etc and actually work out how many people are watching a game. That's what gives you the bragging rights. Look my sport had 2 million people watching it last night The rest is just fluff. In some ways the ratings game is crap you can't really compare the two sports in a lot of ways.

pussycat wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

pussycat wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

pussycat wrote:

Phelpsy wrote:

If you want to know the average of the people watching AFL on TV you add up all the people watching on TV. Then you divide this by how many games there were. So if 100000 were watching on TV, say 70000 on 7, 20000 on 7 mate, and 10000 on fox, you would divide that by number of games. Let's say there were 4 games. That gives us an average of 25000 people watching per game .... On average. Hope that makes it clearer.

Pay Tv and FTA TV are 2 separate things and need to be treated separately. One goes to all viewers while one is limited to 30% viewers. Like I have said before its like adding a batsman's one day runs and his test match runs ,and claiming that you can work out his batting average this way.

That's crazy talk pussy. It's not like you can watch a commercial network channel and pay TV and get counted as two seperate people. Most who have fox sports watch it on fox because there are no adds. But if it wasn't on fox and was only on FTA they would be watching it on FTA. AFL isn't getting a single extra viewer by simulcasting it. All anyone wants to know is how many people in Australia are watching a game on TV. If you care enough you will either be at the game or watching it on TV and either way you should be counted. Most of the RL fans are added up and counted, its a shame they can't do the same for the AR fans. I'm looking forward to the day when we only look at the national audience, rather then adding up all the bits and pieces and finding that there are still bits missing.

In one way AFL wins every Friday night when you compare the two sports game vs game. Maybe we should be taking away your Qld viewers for Friday night and puting them as a different games ratings because they are watching a completely different game to your NSW viewers. Its much more logical then taking away AFLs PTV viewers who are watching the same game at the same time as the FTA viewers.

I'm not saying anyone shouldn't be counted or anything like that. What I'm saying is that PTV and FTA Tv are 2 different things and they need to be treated that way. FTA's audience are unlimited (or limited only by Australia's total population) and can't be treated the same as something that has a maximum audience of 30% or so. Apples aren't oranges. One day cricket isn't test cricket. You cant add the both sets of runs together for both and get the batsman's average. He has a one day average and a test match average but not one that combines both. Just like FTA and PTV are different things.

It's all about who is watching a live game. I want to know how many it is for FTA/PTV/phones/internet/etc and actually work out how many people are watching a game. That's what gives you the bragging rights. Look my sport had 2 million people watching it last night The rest is just fluff. In some ways the ratings game is crap you can't really compare the two sports in a lot of ways.

I agree with what you say. However if you go back to the initial argument/discussion between me and Phelpsy , Ratings cannot be gathered from FTA matches and PTV matches added together and then averaged out to give some sort of meaningful result. Unlike AFL where matches a shown simultaneously, 75% of league matches are limited to just 30% of viewers.

pussycat wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

pussycat wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

pussycat wrote:

Phelpsy wrote:

If you want to know the average of the people watching AFL on TV you add up all the people watching on TV. Then you divide this by how many games there were. So if 100000 were watching on TV, say 70000 on 7, 20000 on 7 mate, and 10000 on fox, you would divide that by number of games. Let's say there were 4 games. That gives us an average of 25000 people watching per game .... On average. Hope that makes it clearer.

Pay Tv and FTA TV are 2 separate things and need to be treated separately. One goes to all viewers while one is limited to 30% viewers. Like I have said before its like adding a batsman's one day runs and his test match runs ,and claiming that you can work out his batting average this way.

That's crazy talk pussy. It's not like you can watch a commercial network channel and pay TV and get counted as two seperate people. Most who have fox sports watch it on fox because there are no adds. But if it wasn't on fox and was only on FTA they would be watching it on FTA. AFL isn't getting a single extra viewer by simulcasting it. All anyone wants to know is how many people in Australia are watching a game on TV. If you care enough you will either be at the game or watching it on TV and either way you should be counted. Most of the RL fans are added up and counted, its a shame they can't do the same for the AR fans. I'm looking forward to the day when we only look at the national audience, rather then adding up all the bits and pieces and finding that there are still bits missing.

In one way AFL wins every Friday night when you compare the two sports game vs game. Maybe we should be taking away your Qld viewers for Friday night and puting them as a different games ratings because they are watching a completely different game to your NSW viewers. Its much more logical then taking away AFLs PTV viewers who are watching the same game at the same time as the FTA viewers.

I'm not saying anyone shouldn't be counted or anything like that. What I'm saying is that PTV and FTA Tv are 2 different things and they need to be treated that way. FTA's audience are unlimited (or limited only by Australia's total population) and can't be treated the same as something that has a maximum audience of 30% or so. Apples aren't oranges. One day cricket isn't test cricket. You cant add the both sets of runs together for both and get the batsman's average. He has a one day average and a test match average but not one that combines both. Just like FTA and PTV are different things.

It's all about who is watching a live game. I want to know how many it is for FTA/PTV/phones/internet/etc and actually work out how many people are watching a game. That's what gives you the bragging rights. Look my sport had 2 million people watching it last night The rest is just fluff. In some ways the ratings game is crap you can't really compare the two sports in a lot of ways.

I agree with what you say. However if you go back to the initial argument/discussion between me and Phelpsy , Ratings cannot be gathered from FTA matches and PTV matches added together and then averaged out to give some sort of meaningful result. Unlike AFL where matches a shown simultaneously, 75% of league matches are limited to just 30% of viewers.

The_Wookie wrote:

pussycat wrote:

Phelpsy wrote:

Again, I think you're getting your analogy mixed up... Actually I'm not even sure it is even relevant. If you want to know how many people watched a match (the same match) on TV .. Then you would add up all the figures of those watching on TV. As pies and myself have said, those watching on pay TV would be watching on fta if they did not have fox.

Add those figures together, FTA + PTV = Total. Just as we've been doing for years on a Friday night on this site. But a long way from your original point of being able to add the 2 together and come up with a meanigful average.

If we can add the total, then we can make an average weekly viewing audience from that total. its simple maths. Theres literally no reason why we cant. People are either watching or they arent, the medium doesnt really matter. We can either use a total, and therefore derive an average each week from it, or none of the figures are viable at all.

We've had this discussion before on other forums concerning regional ratings and double counting. You cant be counted for both, its a separate structure.

NlolRL wrote:

pussycat wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

pussycat wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

pussycat wrote:

Phelpsy wrote:

If you want to know the average of the people watching AFL on TV you add up all the people watching on TV. Then you divide this by how many games there were. So if 100000 were watching on TV, say 70000 on 7, 20000 on 7 mate, and 10000 on fox, you would divide that by number of games. Let's say there were 4 games. That gives us an average of 25000 people watching per game .... On average. Hope that makes it clearer.

Pay Tv and FTA TV are 2 separate things and need to be treated separately. One goes to all viewers while one is limited to 30% viewers. Like I have said before its like adding a batsman's one day runs and his test match runs ,and claiming that you can work out his batting average this way.

That's crazy talk pussy. It's not like you can watch a commercial network channel and pay TV and get counted as two seperate people. Most who have fox sports watch it on fox because there are no adds. But if it wasn't on fox and was only on FTA they would be watching it on FTA. AFL isn't getting a single extra viewer by simulcasting it. All anyone wants to know is how many people in Australia are watching a game on TV. If you care enough you will either be at the game or watching it on TV and either way you should be counted. Most of the RL fans are added up and counted, its a shame they can't do the same for the AR fans. I'm looking forward to the day when we only look at the national audience, rather then adding up all the bits and pieces and finding that there are still bits missing.

In one way AFL wins every Friday night when you compare the two sports game vs game. Maybe we should be taking away your Qld viewers for Friday night and puting them as a different games ratings because they are watching a completely different game to your NSW viewers. Its much more logical then taking away AFLs PTV viewers who are watching the same game at the same time as the FTA viewers.

I'm not saying anyone shouldn't be counted or anything like that. What I'm saying is that PTV and FTA Tv are 2 different things and they need to be treated that way. FTA's audience are unlimited (or limited only by Australia's total population) and can't be treated the same as something that has a maximum audience of 30% or so. Apples aren't oranges. One day cricket isn't test cricket. You cant add the both sets of runs together for both and get the batsman's average. He has a one day average and a test match average but not one that combines both. Just like FTA and PTV are different things.

It's all about who is watching a live game. I want to know how many it is for FTA/PTV/phones/internet/etc and actually work out how many people are watching a game. That's what gives you the bragging rights. Look my sport had 2 million people watching it last night The rest is just fluff. In some ways the ratings game is crap you can't really compare the two sports in a lot of ways.

I agree with what you say. However if you go back to the initial argument/discussion between me and Phelpsy , Ratings cannot be gathered from FTA matches and PTV matches added together and then averaged out to give some sort of meaningful result. Unlike AFL where matches a shown simultaneously, 75% of league matches are limited to just 30% of viewers.

Diddums. You let ch9 bend you over so bite your pillow and accept it

eelofwest wrote:

Fri TV #NRL #NRLPARMAN 595k (Syd 443k Bri 152k) GEM 29k (Mel 18k Ade 4k Per 7k) 624k + regionals = over 1million.

Fri TV #AFL #AFLPowerBlues Seven 449k (Mel 283k 166k) 7mate 98k (Syd 19k Bri 17k Per 62k) 547k + Fox 196k = 743k + regional = 850-900k

2 weeks in a row the Mighty Parramatta Eels beats the AFL..............

NRL wins once again. =D> =D>

NlolRL wrote:

You've gotta win one every now and then I suppose. It might as well be last night given the one sided game against a terrible carlton.

Fact is the NRL only have Friday night as their show case. We've got 2 nights

eelofwest wrote:

NlolRL wrote:

You've gotta win one every now and then I suppose. It might as well be last night given the one sided game against a terrible carlton.

Fact is the NRL only have Friday night as their show case. We've got 2 nights

2 nights haha

Thu TV #NRL #NRLSOUBRI Nine 629k (Syd 395k Bri 234k) GEM 27k (Mel 17k Per 11k)
Fri TV #NRL #NRLPARCBY Nine 637k (Syd 468k Bri 170k) GEM 33k (Mel 23k Per 10k)

Its does not matter if its thursday, monday, Friday the NRL rates more then the AFL on FTA and Fox that is a fact you will have to come to terms with...