The Changing Nature of Violence in Rugby League and AFL

[King-Eliagh]

First, the decision to ban three teams in Brisbane was right. Even El agreed, and it was actually contrary to his view. This was a case of the biffo going way overboard and proves that children can't be allowed to do it. That brawl showed a lack of control. The Junior RL showed the foresight to lay it out plainly. Kids, don't copy the adults!

That's the real issue here. Let the adults go because it'll never get that bad (to the point that teams get banned). They know when to stop. Children don't. That's the complexity you don't get, X!

Striker this wasnt contrary to my view. It was however contrary to the view Xman is trying to persuade himself and others that I have. I am not for violence and biffo willy nilly and over the top, as I've explained umpteen times before in this thread.

I agree with your other points except your "Kid's, dont copy adults!" command. Do you really think the kids are consciously thinking 'Ima gunna copy big Gordy Tallis' when they get in a blue? This isnt whats going on at all imo. But yes the sanctions must be there when things get out of control. In RL they're there and working quite well, as you point out.

you clearly dont have kids. They will copy actions over obeying words every time.

You act as though children have no independent thought. Narrow minded to the max. I saw biffo on field as a boy and loooooved it, as i do now. Did i take that onto the sporting field? Not once But I'm ready to fight if needed and have shown that before on the field, rather than submitting to some rule bending wanker and crying to the referee or ump...who 9 times out of 10 didnt see the infringement. Its called standing up for yourself and its good for your self esteem and pride. You should teach that to your kids sometime Xman rather than following the flawed AFL model of dont dont dont. (KE parenting tip number 1)

[Xman]

Striker this wasnt contrary to my view. It was however contrary to the view Xman is trying to persuade himself and others that I have. I am not for violence and biffo willy nilly and over the top, as I've explained umpteen times before in this thread.

I agree with your other points except your "Kid's, dont copy adults!" command. Do you really think the kids are consciously thinking 'Ima gunna copy big Gordy Tallis' when they get in a blue? This isnt whats going on at all imo. But yes the sanctions must be there when things get out of control. In RL they're there and working quite well, as you point out.

you clearly dont have kids. They will copy actions over obeying words every time.

You act as though children have no independent thought. Narrow minded to the max. I saw biffo on field as a boy and loooooved it, as i do now. Did i take that onto the sporting field? Not once But I'm ready to fight if needed and have shown that before on the field, rather than submitting to some rule bending wanker and crying to the referee or ump...who 9 times out of 10 didnt see the infringement. Its called standing up for yourself and its good for your self esteem and pride. You should teach that to your kids sometime Xman rather than following the flawed AFL model of dont dont dont. (KE parenting tip number 1)

No, it's called letting the authorities deal with infringements instead of players who only see things subjectively from their point of view this is exactly what happens in the community.

You're logic is just ridiculous. There are judicial processes in place to deal with poor behaviour. Whether the umpire sees it is irrelevant because the camera almost always does! The last thing we want is player retaliating and escalating the problem. Ever heard of two wrongs don't make a right? Punching someone back doesn't resolve the problem that occurred in the first place, it escalates it to a full on brawl.

[King-Eliagh]

So I take it you dont teach your children how to stand up for themselves? I think you should think that one over and change your ways, for the children.

[Xman]

So I take it you dont teach your children how to stand up for themselves? I think you should think that one over and change your ways, for the children.

the law stands up for you! If my neighbour threatens me i can stoop to his level and potentially escalate the situation into an ugly fight where someone gets hurt, or I can de-escalate it into a one-sided yelling match where the law is on my side.

Kids are taught at school and by the law that violence is the last response to a conflict. allowing it to be the first is the example the NRL sets. When applied it the community it results in assaults and some end in deaths.

If an AFL player throws a punch the victim can let the judiciary deal with him appropriately, or join in and suffer the same fate for escalating a one sided act into a potential brawl.

Pretty simple really, but obviously not for you.

[King-Eliagh]

Deary my. If a neighbour threatens you the law will do nothing while you submit to the threats, lowering your esteem and value as a human. If a neighbour hits you, the law MIGHT do something. If a neighbour bites your testicle or dislocates your arm, the law will do something, but the law will also acknowledge your god given right to whack the bastard good and hard in the temple. The AFL wouldnt, they'd give you a hefty fine, probably even bigger than what they'd dish out the real offender. Comprehende Xman?

Meanwhile all children should be taught to stand up for themselves physically in situations like these, it's good for them.

[Xman]

Deary my. If a neighbour threatens you the law will do nothing while you submit to the threats, lowering your esteem and value as a human. If a neighbour hits you, the law MIGHT do something. If a neighbour bites your testicle or dislocates your arm, the law will do something, but the law will also acknowledge your god given right to whack the bastard good and hard in the temple. The AFL wouldnt, they'd give you a hefty fine, probably even bigger than what they'd dish out the real offender. Comprehende Xman?

Meanwhile all children should be taught to stand up for themselves physically in situations like these, it's good for them.

Who said do nothing? I said not stooping to their level. You stick up for yourself without taking it to violence. If he becomes violent he's done for. Jail time.

And yeah I'm sure the law would be really lenient when:

a. You hit him hard in the temple, he sustains a head injury and you're on you way to a criminal record at best
b. you inflame the maniac and he beats the shit out of you, stabs you, or gets his mates and you never get over your injuries

But as long as you've had the right to stand up for yourself with violence thats all that matters...

You really do belong in the slum suburbs of Sydney where all the crimes and violence occur with that archaic attitude.

[Xman]

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Hmmm, I wonder what KE and Striker will say form themselves now?

[Striker]

What in the name of Christ are you on about, X?

First, the decision to ban three teams in Brisbane was right. Even El agreed, and it was actually contrary to his view. This was a case of the biffo going way overboard and proves that children can't be allowed to do it. That brawl showed a lack of control. The Junior RL showed the foresight to lay it out plainly. Kids, don't copy the adults!

That's the real issue here. Let the adults go because it'll never get that bad (to the point that teams get banned). They know when to stop. Children don't. That's the complexity you don't get, X!

Striker this wasnt contrary to my view. It was however contrary to the view Xman is trying to persuade himself and others that I have. I am not for violence and biffo willy nilly and over the top, as I've explained umpteen times before in this thread.

I agree with your other points except your "Kid's, dont copy adults!" command. Do you really think the kids are consciously thinking 'Ima gunna copy big Gordy Tallis' when they get in a blue? This isnt whats going on at all imo. But yes the sanctions must be there when things get out of control. In RL they're there and working quite well, as you point out.

It was contrary because you want the biffo in kids league. This was a reason not the have it. Yes, kids consciously think that and that is what's going on. But the solution doesn't lie in stopping it at adult level. It lies in better coaching at junior level.

[King-Eliagh]

I gotta say I was getting worried about the lack of biff in the NRL so far this season but then, during a wonderful passionate game of footy, this lil ditty broke out :D

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-oL5mzq6H4[/video]

Just fantastic seeing these men stick up for one another so proudly.

I still feel for those playing AFL footy where, in a contact sport, players are suspended for weeks for standing up for their teammates or themselves.

[Xman]

And to think KE is proud of mindless unnecessary violence!

[King-Eliagh]

Pussy.

[King-Eliagh]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/AFL/rugby-l ... bEgxNiJmuI

Not a bad point from Jonathon Brown. But I think he needs to be saying Rugby Leagues U15's and above makes AFL look soft. This would be far more accurate.

[Dogs]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/AFL/rugby-l ... bEgxNiJmuI

Not a bad point from Jonathon Brown. But I think he needs to be saying Rugby Leagues U15's and above makes AFL look soft. This would be far more accurate.

Nice artical KE, so one of the golden boys of AFL seems to agree with you KE.

[piesman2011]

Did you guys even read the article you both seam a bit confused about what he is saying.

[Raiderdave]

Did you guys even read the article you both seam a bit confused about what he is saying.

he's saying VFL is played by Weenies

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