Why the NRL’s numbers don’t add up

[leeroy*NRL*]

there is a train line and freeway near by, but the stadium is technically on the fringe of the suburbs. its not to hard to get to but, if you wanted a bigger venue you would build it some where else

ok gotcha, so not ideal but passable

anything is possible really. Subiaco when it was in use, it regularly got crowds of 40, 50k in a similar setting but it was a night mare to get to and from.
regardless of how successful the bears are crowd wise i couldn't imagine they would have a 50k seater buit in the next decade or so

if there was one venue that would be easy to up grade the capacity would be HBF park due to all the stands are individually build so it would be, tear one stand down and build a new one with rest of the venue unaffected

sorry i meant passable as in acceptable; satisfactory (HBF)

but yes its an easy upgrade to the stands due to how it was built. (half the stadium looks good) the rest is very outdated and small

[azif]

I had to look that up whacko - and did a quick search


AI gave me this (so take it with the skepticism that comes with using AI as a source).


Several players recruited from the Western Sydney area have made it to the AFL. Notable examples include Kieren Briggs and Nick Shipley, both of whom are GWS Giants Academy graduates and currently on the Giants' AFL list. James Peatling, a mid-season draftee, also hails from Western Sydney and is another GWS Giants Academy graduate. Other players recruited from the region include Jake Brown and James Bell, who were drafted to the Sydney Swans. Jack Buckley and Nick Shipley were drafted by the GWS Giants. AFL Sydney also mentions Jarrod Brander (West Coast Eagles), Charlie Spargo (Melbourne), and Doulton Langlands (St Kilda) as players from the region drafted in 2017.


not sure how many players who came up through the victorian RL as juniors have been recruited to an NRL team though.




Another quick search and found this -article - 1 year old though. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/ ... al-players

Ahead of the NRL season which sees the return of State of Origin to Melbourne for the first time since 2018, Storm forward Christian Welch said the club’s record of producing junior talent was “probably not good enough to be honest”.

“The reality is, we’re 25, 26 years old,” he said. “We’ve had five Victorian men’s players.”

The Storm’s head of pathways, Tim Glasby, echoed his sentiment. “We’re really disappointed that we haven’t had more,” he said. “Five in 25 years isn’t enough.”

to be honest I'm surprised it is as high as five - but also - thisi s just playing for the storm - maybe there are other teams that have recruited from victoria - but not someone who moved to victoria as a 16 year old who has played rl all his (vice versa re: AFL players from western sydney) but a home grown/developed talent.

Fred, there is a glaring difference here pal. The AFL can recruit players that have never seen, let alone played, the mess and turn 'em into superstars overnight.

That's because it is a simple limited skill game with few rules and/or need for athletic ability. Exhibit 1. the lanky Yank who was a practice partner for a womens basketball team in the USA. Never seen a game. Never heard of it. Never played a game. Comes to Australia. Becomes an AFL superstar. Simple.

They do the same with Sydney kids. They scout a lanky kid, pay 'em a bucket load of money and quick smart turn 'em into an AFL 'standard' player. Such is the simplicity of the fumbling mess.

NRL clubs can't do that. To be a competent RL player you need years of intense training, playing and coaching. Melbourne would have to get kids at 7or 8 and keep 'em for 10 years to get 'em up to NRL standard. And if they live in Victoria it is so much easier to play the simple mess of the Australian Fumbling League.

Hope this helps Fred. Have a great day pal.

so some 30 plus years, Victoria a state of 5 million plus people now over 6 million have only produced a hand full of League players .

its not being a case of not being skilled or tough enough Terrance, as Hunt and Folau proved leagues best players arent skilled or good enough for AFL. and i know throwing and catching a ball from a short distance may be challenge for some select few, and look exciting for people who are very limitd abilities eg the NRL fan! its a simple fact people are not interested!

the structure of game play might appear like a mess to the NRL fan also but its far more complicated than counting to 6 and running in a straight line with team mates up a field repeatedly

fact that more people from Western Sydney a lower populated area that the whole of Victoria are playing and have played for the code at the highest level says how the codes are really traveling at grass roots level!

make all the excuses you want, you cant change reality as much as you lot dont like to believe it

there is no structure spambot

it looks like 36 chimps in the zoo with the last banana
only derpball is waaaayyy less skillful

[makingnrlfansgowacko]

ok gotcha, so not ideal but passable

anything is possible really. Subiaco when it was in use, it regularly got crowds of 40, 50k in a similar setting but it was a night mare to get to and from.
regardless of how successful the bears are crowd wise i couldn't imagine they would have a 50k seater buit in the next decade or so

if there was one venue that would be easy to up grade the capacity would be HBF park due to all the stands are individually build so it would be, tear one stand down and build a new one with rest of the venue unaffected

sorry i meant passable as in acceptable; satisfactory (HBF)

but yes its an easy upgrade to the stands due to how it was built. (half the stadium looks good) the rest is very outdated and small

i was refering to HBF.

if you have a google maps look youll see the access roads around it its no optus stadium but could be worse. several options to up grade it with space around it but access

[makingnrlfansgowacko]

Fred, there is a glaring difference here pal. The AFL can recruit players that have never seen, let alone played, the mess and turn 'em into superstars overnight.

That's because it is a simple limited skill game with few rules and/or need for athletic ability. Exhibit 1. the lanky Yank who was a practice partner for a womens basketball team in the USA. Never seen a game. Never heard of it. Never played a game. Comes to Australia. Becomes an AFL superstar. Simple.

They do the same with Sydney kids. They scout a lanky kid, pay 'em a bucket load of money and quick smart turn 'em into an AFL 'standard' player. Such is the simplicity of the fumbling mess.

NRL clubs can't do that. To be a competent RL player you need years of intense training, playing and coaching. Melbourne would have to get kids at 7or 8 and keep 'em for 10 years to get 'em up to NRL standard. And if they live in Victoria it is so much easier to play the simple mess of the Australian Fumbling League.

Hope this helps Fred. Have a great day pal.

so some 30 plus years, Victoria a state of 5 million plus people now over 6 million have only produced a hand full of League players .

its not being a case of not being skilled or tough enough Terrance, as Hunt and Folau proved leagues best players arent skilled or good enough for AFL. and i know throwing and catching a ball from a short distance may be challenge for some select few, and look exciting for people who are very limitd abilities eg the NRL fan! its a simple fact people are not interested!

the structure of game play might appear like a mess to the NRL fan also but its far more complicated than counting to 6 and running in a straight line with team mates up a field repeatedly

fact that more people from Western Sydney a lower populated area that the whole of Victoria are playing and have played for the code at the highest level says how the codes are really traveling at grass roots level!

make all the excuses you want, you cant change reality as much as you lot dont like to believe it

there is no structure spambot

it looks like 36 chimps in the zoo with the last banana
only derpball is waaaayyy less skillful

was even more hilarious watching hunt and folau. out played and skilled by a bunch of kids!

isnt it great how the AFL in Western Sydney is out doing League in Melbourne and Victoria

[Terry]

I had to look that up whacko - and did a quick search


AI gave me this (so take it with the skepticism that comes with using AI as a source).


Several players recruited from the Western Sydney area have made it to the AFL. Notable examples include Kieren Briggs and Nick Shipley, both of whom are GWS Giants Academy graduates and currently on the Giants' AFL list. James Peatling, a mid-season draftee, also hails from Western Sydney and is another GWS Giants Academy graduate. Other players recruited from the region include Jake Brown and James Bell, who were drafted to the Sydney Swans. Jack Buckley and Nick Shipley were drafted by the GWS Giants. AFL Sydney also mentions Jarrod Brander (West Coast Eagles), Charlie Spargo (Melbourne), and Doulton Langlands (St Kilda) as players from the region drafted in 2017.


not sure how many players who came up through the victorian RL as juniors have been recruited to an NRL team though.




Another quick search and found this -article - 1 year old though. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/ ... al-players

Ahead of the NRL season which sees the return of State of Origin to Melbourne for the first time since 2018, Storm forward Christian Welch said the club’s record of producing junior talent was “probably not good enough to be honest”.

“The reality is, we’re 25, 26 years old,” he said. “We’ve had five Victorian men’s players.”

The Storm’s head of pathways, Tim Glasby, echoed his sentiment. “We’re really disappointed that we haven’t had more,” he said. “Five in 25 years isn’t enough.”

to be honest I'm surprised it is as high as five - but also - thisi s just playing for the storm - maybe there are other teams that have recruited from victoria - but not someone who moved to victoria as a 16 year old who has played rl all his (vice versa re: AFL players from western sydney) but a home grown/developed talent.

Fred, there is a glaring difference here pal. The AFL can recruit players that have never seen, let alone played, the mess and turn 'em into superstars overnight.

That's because it is a simple limited skill game with few rules and/or need for athletic ability. Exhibit 1. the lanky Yank who was a practice partner for a womens basketball team in the USA. Never seen a game. Never heard of it. Never played a game. Comes to Australia. Becomes an AFL superstar. Simple.

They do the same with Sydney kids. They scout a lanky kid, pay 'em a bucket load of money and quick smart turn 'em into an AFL 'standard' player. Such is the simplicity of the fumbling mess.

NRL clubs can't do that. To be a competent RL player you need years of intense training, playing and coaching. Melbourne would have to get kids at 7or 8 and keep 'em for 10 years to get 'em up to NRL standard. And if they live in Victoria it is so much easier to play the simple mess of the Australian Fumbling League.

Hope this helps Fred. Have a great day pal.

so some 30 plus years, Victoria a state of 5 million plus people now over 6 million have only produced a hand full of League players .

its not being a case of not being skilled or tough enough Terrance, as Hunt and Folau proved leagues best players arent skilled or good enough for AFL. and i know throwing and catching a ball from a short distance may be challenge for some select few, and look exciting for people who are very limitd abilities eg the NRL fan! its a simple fact people are not interested!

the structure of game play might appear like a mess to the NRL fan also but its far more complicated than counting to 6 and running in a straight line with team mates up a field repeatedly

fact that more people from Western Sydney a lower populated area that the whole of Victoria are playing and have played for the code at the highest level says how the codes are really traveling at grass roots level!

make all the excuses you want, you cant change reality as much as you lot dont like to believe it

Wackjob, wack on pal. You're well and truly wacked. Now its time to wack off. Your time is done Wacko.

[leeroy*NRL*]

anything is possible really. Subiaco when it was in use, it regularly got crowds of 40, 50k in a similar setting but it was a night mare to get to and from.
regardless of how successful the bears are crowd wise i couldn't imagine they would have a 50k seater buit in the next decade or so

if there was one venue that would be easy to up grade the capacity would be HBF park due to all the stands are individually build so it would be, tear one stand down and build a new one with rest of the venue unaffected

sorry i meant passable as in acceptable; satisfactory (HBF)

but yes its an easy upgrade to the stands due to how it was built. (half the stadium looks good) the rest is very outdated and small

i was refering to HBF.

if you have a google maps look youll see the access roads around it its no optus stadium but could be worse. several options to up grade it with space around it but access

yep gotcha, very tight on the Pier Street end.. Workable (always better with more space) Looks only a 10min walk from train station
thats good

[azif]

so some 30 plus years, Victoria a state of 5 million plus people now over 6 million have only produced a hand full of League players .

its not being a case of not being skilled or tough enough Terrance, as Hunt and Folau proved leagues best players arent skilled or good enough for AFL. and i know throwing and catching a ball from a short distance may be challenge for some select few, and look exciting for people who are very limitd abilities eg the NRL fan! its a simple fact people are not interested!

the structure of game play might appear like a mess to the NRL fan also but its far more complicated than counting to 6 and running in a straight line with team mates up a field repeatedly

fact that more people from Western Sydney a lower populated area that the whole of Victoria are playing and have played for the code at the highest level says how the codes are really traveling at grass roots level!

make all the excuses you want, you cant change reality as much as you lot dont like to believe it

there is no structure spambot

it looks like 36 chimps in the zoo with the last banana
only derpball is waaaayyy less skillful

was even more hilarious watching hunt and folau. out played and skilled by a bunch of kids!

isnt it great how the AFL in Western Sydney is out doing League in Melbourne and Victoria

Storm 22K average home crowds in Derpbourne
Grants 3K average home crowds in Sydney

fumblers
most deluded twats on the planet

[azif]

The grants are being out done by NRLW teams & A League teams in Sydney

wow
Australias biggest sporting joke
closely followed by the Thuns

bout time twerpball gave PVL a ring & got some pointers on how to expand their comp

[makingnrlfansgowacko]

sorry i meant passable as in acceptable; satisfactory (HBF)

but yes its an easy upgrade to the stands due to how it was built. (half the stadium looks good) the rest is very outdated and small

i was refering to HBF.

if you have a google maps look youll see the access roads around it its no optus stadium but could be worse. several options to up grade it with space around it but access

yep gotcha, very tight on the Pier Street end.. Workable (always better with more space) Looks only a 10min walk from train station
thats good

the freeway is close by also so uber and added bus services

[Beaussie]

Free Public Transport with Ticket always helps and goes along way...

i am not too sure how accessible HBF Park is
though OPTUS looks beautifully set out..

i have no DOUBT BEARS will kick off at OPTUS STADIUM to a sell out.

How good do these concept designs for the surrounds of Optus Stadium look.


WA Government seeks input on Burswood Entertainment and Sporting Precinct
Austadiums • Tuesday 20th May 2025

https://www.austadiums.com/news/1538/wa ... g-precinct



The Western Australian Government has launched a wide-reaching community consultation process to help shape the future of a major new entertainment and sporting precinct at Burswood Park.

Locals, as well as sporting, cultural, and community organisations, are being invited to share their ideas for the design and development of the multi-use destination, which aims to transform the Burswood area into a premier recreation and tourism hub.

Alongside the consultation, the State Government has also issued a request for proposal (RFP) for contractors interested in designing and delivering the precinct. The $217.5 million project, funded in the upcoming State Budget, is intended to cement Perth’s position as a leading events destination in the South East Asian region.

A key feature of the proposed design is a new open-air amphitheatre, with a capacity of 15,000–20,000, that will host live music and other major events. It will sit alongside existing attractions such as Optus Stadium, Crown Perth, and the scenic Burswood Park.

WA Symphony Orchestra Board Member and former Perth Festival Artistic Director Iain Grandage said the new venue would add significantly to Perth’s cultural landscape.

“The amphitheatre promises to be a most extraordinary addition to the event spaces of Perth,” Grandage said.

“A place of community and culture, where artists from around the globe or from **** our own suburbs can celebrate and be celebrated.”

The concept also features a multi-use FIA-approved track and versatile building capable of supporting a wide range of events, including motorsport, cycling, triathlons, running festivals, community sport and para-athletics.

It's anticipated the new street circuit will host a marquee Supercars event each year, replacing the existing race at Wanneroo Raceway.



The precinct’s layout will align with Burswood Park’s 20-Year Vision and state planning priorities while enhancing the area’s green spaces and public amenities. Improving accessibility and transport links, especially for people with disabilities attending events at Optus Stadium, will be a central focus of the design.

Importantly, the space will remain open to the public throughout the year outside of major events, offering new opportunities for recreation and community gathering.

To gather feedback, more than 25,000 households in surrounding suburbs are being mailed invitations to participate in the consultation process. Public drop-in forums and feedback sessions will also be held in the coming months to give residents and stakeholders the chance to contribute ideas directly.

Premier Roger Cook said the project would help fill a long-standing gap in Perth’s live event infrastructure.

“As part of this project, we will address a clear gap in Perth's music venue infrastructure and deliver permanent facilities to attract the best local and overseas artists,” he said.

“In addition, the street circuit will put WA on the global motorsport map. We look forward to hearing from everyone so we can deliver a world-class precinct that benefits the local community and environment.”

Sport and Recreation Minister Rita Saffioti said community feedback would be vital in shaping a precinct that serves both major events and everyday use.

“Our goal is to design a world-class precinct that can support Australian and international music, entertainment and sporting events,” she said.

“But it should also be a space that’s open and accessible year-round—a true community asset. That’s why we’re encouraging everyone to have their say on what they’d like to see.”

The Burswood Entertainment and Sporting Precinct is being delivered by DevelopmentWA in partnership with the Australian Grand Prix Corporation, Parks Victoria, the State Sport Centres Trust, and the Department of Jobs, Skills, Industry and Regions.

[makingnrlfansgowacko]

Fred, there is a glaring difference here pal. The AFL can recruit players that have never seen, let alone played, the mess and turn 'em into superstars overnight.

That's because it is a simple limited skill game with few rules and/or need for athletic ability. Exhibit 1. the lanky Yank who was a practice partner for a womens basketball team in the USA. Never seen a game. Never heard of it. Never played a game. Comes to Australia. Becomes an AFL superstar. Simple.

They do the same with Sydney kids. They scout a lanky kid, pay 'em a bucket load of money and quick smart turn 'em into an AFL 'standard' player. Such is the simplicity of the fumbling mess.

NRL clubs can't do that. To be a competent RL player you need years of intense training, playing and coaching. Melbourne would have to get kids at 7or 8 and keep 'em for 10 years to get 'em up to NRL standard. And if they live in Victoria it is so much easier to play the simple mess of the Australian Fumbling League.

Hope this helps Fred. Have a great day pal.

so some 30 plus years, Victoria a state of 5 million plus people now over 6 million have only produced a hand full of League players .

its not being a case of not being skilled or tough enough Terrance, as Hunt and Folau proved leagues best players arent skilled or good enough for AFL. and i know throwing and catching a ball from a short distance may be challenge for some select few, and look exciting for people who are very limitd abilities eg the NRL fan! its a simple fact people are not interested!

the structure of game play might appear like a mess to the NRL fan also but its far more complicated than counting to 6 and running in a straight line with team mates up a field repeatedly

fact that more people from Western Sydney a lower populated area that the whole of Victoria are playing and have played for the code at the highest level says how the codes are really traveling at grass roots level!

make all the excuses you want, you cant change reality as much as you lot dont like to believe it

Wackjob, wack on pal. You're well and truly wacked. Now its time to wack off. Your time is done Wacko.

thems the facts, the numbers and peoples choice, Terrance!
if you cant handle it like your buddy azif cant! its fucken hilarious

[makingnrlfansgowacko]

there is no structure spambot

it looks like 36 chimps in the zoo with the last banana
only derpball is waaaayyy less skillful

was even more hilarious watching hunt and folau. out played and skilled by a bunch of kids!

isnt it great how the AFL in Western Sydney is out doing League in Melbourne and Victoria

Storm 22K average home crowds in Derpbourne
Grants 3K average home crowds in Sydney

fumblers
most deluded twats on the planet

made up figures again azif!
more players recruited from Western Sydney than Victoria despite Storm being around far longer than GWS!
GWS crowd average is on par with several NRL teams of that area, Storm on the Level with A league teams in Melbourne. both teams get more people to the games than show up on the tv ratings!

make fun of GWS all you want

[azif]

was even more hilarious watching hunt and folau. out played and skilled by a bunch of kids!

isnt it great how the AFL in Western Sydney is out doing League in Melbourne and Victoria

Storm 22K average home crowds in Derpbourne
Grants 3K average home crowds in Sydney

fumblers
most deluded twats on the planet

made up figures again azif!
more players recruited from Western Sydney than Victoria despite Storm being around far longer than GWS!
GWS crowd average is on par with several NRL teams of that area, Storm on the Level with A league teams in Melbourne. both teams get more people to the games than show up on the tv ratings!

make fun of GWS all you want

all facts spambot
facts ...
the only figures made up are the crowds for the grants & thuns

grants
Australias biggest sporting joke

[makingnrlfansgowacko]

Storm 22K average home crowds in Derpbourne
Grants 3K average home crowds in Sydney

fumblers
most deluded twats on the planet

made up figures again azif!
more players recruited from Western Sydney than Victoria despite Storm being around far longer than GWS!
GWS crowd average is on par with several NRL teams of that area, Storm on the Level with A league teams in Melbourne. both teams get more people to the games than show up on the tv ratings!

make fun of GWS all you want

all facts spambot
facts ...
the only figures made up are the crowds for the grants & thuns

grants
Australias biggest sporting joke

like usual ignoring all the actual facts! then make up your own facts that are really only pretend facts, then call some one a spam bot!

[azif]

made up figures again azif!
more players recruited from Western Sydney than Victoria despite Storm being around far longer than GWS!
GWS crowd average is on par with several NRL teams of that area, Storm on the Level with A league teams in Melbourne. both teams get more people to the games than show up on the tv ratings!

make fun of GWS all you want

all facts spambot
facts ...
the only figures made up are the crowds for the grants & thuns

grants
Australias biggest sporting joke

like usual ignoring all the actual facts! then make up your own facts that are really only pretend facts, then call some one a spam bot!

post a fact knob jockey & lets see then eh