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Re: RL - has little to no contest for possession, or interes
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:59 pm
by Xman
ParraEelsNRL wrote:Kicks aren't contested?
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
No 1 on 1 strips?
When was the last time you watched a game ffs?
No win against the feed in a scrum?
I guess you missed to semi between the Roosters and Tigers huh?
You flips have nfi what you are talking about.
A strip isn't a contested possession. It's dispossessing another player. The player with the ball has already gained possession via an uncontested pass.
Re: RL - has little to no contest for possession, or interes
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:02 pm
by ParraEelsNRL
Wtf?
If a bloke strips the ball, who's to stop him stripping it back straight away?
Is that a bloody contest for the ball or not?
Re: RL - has little to no contest for possession, or interes
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:04 pm
by Xman
ParraEelsNRL wrote:Wtf?
If a bloke strips the ball, who's to stop him stripping it back straight away?
Is that a bloody contest for the ball or not?
How often do you see a player strip another player of the ball only to have the other guy strip it straight back?
How many strips would there be in a RL game on average?
Re: RL - has little to no contest for possession, or interes
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:09 pm
by ParraEelsNRL
I've seen it happen plenty of times and there a quite a few 1 on 1 strips in every game, players are always looking for it.
You are saying all this crap and it's obvious you never watch the game, but you think you can tell us what the hell is going on.
Bloody arrogant Victorians give me the shiits.
Re: RL - has little to no contest for possession, or interes
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:12 pm
by Xman
ParraEelsNRL wrote:I've seen it happen plenty of times and there a quite a few 1 on 1 strips in every game, players are always looking for it.
You are saying all this crap and it's obvious you never watch the game, but you think you can tell us what the hell is going on.
Bloody arrogant Victorians give me the shiits.
Settle down and try to act like an adult.
"I've seen it happen plenty" is not an answer. How many on average? 1, 3 a game?
How many kicks on average? 10, 20?
How many of these kicks are successful and result in the opposition team regaining possession?
Re: RL - has little to no contest for possession, or interes
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:17 pm
by Xman
ParraEelsNRL wrote:I've seen it happen plenty of times and there a quite a few 1 on 1 strips in every game, players are always looking for it.
You are saying all this crap and it's obvious you never watch the game, but you think you can tell us what the hell is going on.
Bloody arrogant Victorians give me the shiits.
Oh and a strip doesn't really qualify as a contest for possession anyway. There are plenty of steals in basketball. All they are is one player dispossessing the other. The ball is not in dispute with a chance of each player gaining possession. One player already has it.
How many times in RL is the ball in dispute and both teams to use their skill to gain possession?
How many times in RL is there a pass to a group of players where there is pressure on the player passing the ball to be accurate because the intended receiver has an opponent who can gain possession if the pass is even slightly errant?
Re: RL - has little to no contest for possession, or interes
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:35 pm
by ParraEelsNRL
I don't friggin count how many times I see a strip or an attempted strip, I watch for running passing and big hits.
Bloody hell, how many times do you see a fumble in AFL ffs?
How many kicks in a game of RL you ask?
Well that depends on how many sets of 6 each team has, some could have up to 40 sets+ each and usually after each set the team kicks the ball. Sometimes a team will kick and regather the ball before the last tackle, so minimum 80 kicks per game with around half in an attacking position where both teams compete for the ball along the ground or in the air.
How many times is a player under pressure you ask when passing the ball.
Well that depends on the players position doesn't it and it depends on what his role is also, you get an off loader in traffic and see how hard that is for the passer and the catcher when you have 3 or4 120kg monsters trying to rip your head off.
You try passing the ball from one side of the pitch to the other with defenders either trying to knock you on your arse or looking to intercept the ball and tell em how easy it is, you get out there and run flat out and pass the ball 25 metres and hit a bloke on the chest at full speed, if it's so easy, take it up and become a millionaire and tell em they're all shit and you're going back to AFL.
Re: RL - has little to no contest for possession, or interes
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:55 pm
by Xman
ParraEelsNRL wrote:I don't friggin count how many times I see a strip or an attempted strip, I watch for running passing and big hits.
Bloody hell, how many times do you see a fumble in AFL ffs?
How many kicks in a game of RL you ask?
Well that depends on how many sets of 6 each team has, some could have up to 40 sets+ each and usually after each set the team kicks the ball. Sometimes a team will kick and regather the ball before the last tackle, so minimum 80 kicks per game with around half in an attacking position where both teams compete for the ball along the ground or in the air.
How many times is a player under pressure you ask when passing the ball.
Well that depends on the players position doesn't it and it depends on what his role is also, you get an off loader in traffic and see how hard that is for the passer and the catcher when you have 3 or4 120kg monsters trying to rip your head off.
You try passing the ball from one side of the pitch to the other with defenders either trying to knock you on your arse or looking to intercept the ball and tell em how easy it is, you get out there and run flat out and pass the ball 25 metres and hit a bloke on the chest at full speed, if it's so easy, take it up and become a millionaire and tell em they're all **** and you're going back to AFL.
So then there would be about 40 kicks to a contest Ina game of RL? How many of these are successful? looking at the low scoring I would say few but you would be better at estimating that than me.
Passes by hand are definitely NOT a contested possession. Think of a pass in netball. If the pass is mis-timed or ill-directed the opposition player will gain control of the ball. This scenario happens in at least half the passes in games like Australian Rules Football, netball, soccer, hockey, basketball, Gaelic football. It puts pressure on the passer and pressure on the receiver. It tests the receivers skills at gaining possession directly against an opponent.
These are the contests that are few and far between in RL. They separate the skilled players from the less skilled. The best team from the rest.
Of course because it is a contest and there is a player from each team in the contest, passes will fail. Players will fumble. Opposition players will succeed in nullifying the offensive move. These happen in all the sports mention at high rates. Are these fumbles or just signs of a real contest?
Re: RL - has little to no contest for possession, or interes
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:01 pm
by ParraEelsNRL
Depends on how good both teams are, if you have trouble getting out of your own end, you'll never put in an attacking kick and the other side of that coin would mean you are under constant pressure defending. Then you not only have to worry about attacking kicks along the ground and in the air, but quick hands passing the ball in or out, a dummy here and there, or the dummy half sneaking over.
Re: RL - has little to no contest for possession, or interes
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:59 am
by Raiderdave
ParraEelsNRL wrote:Depends on how good both teams are, if you have trouble getting out of your own end, you'll never put in an attacking kick and the other side of that coin would mean you are under constant pressure defending. Then you not only have to worry about attacking kicks along the ground and in the air, but quick hands passing the ball in or out, a dummy here and there, or the dummy half sneaking over.
tried explaining this to the noofa before
the pressure in League is to use your possession well .... it matters not , that you may have to turn it over after 6 uses ( repeat sets anyone ) if you are controlling the tempo of the game & where its being played ... ie mainly at the opponents end
if their having to be consistently putting in clearing kicks at the end of their sets .. you're on top , they're under the pump ..... points should be a formality
absorbing
its what we like in our footy
indeed what most Australians like

Re: RL - has little to no contest for possession, or interes
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:04 am
by Topper
I thought stripping the ball was illegal in RL?
Re: RL - has little to no contest for possession, or interes
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:08 am
by Raiderdave
Topper wrote:I thought stripping the ball was illegal in RL?
one on one its not ....
ball must not go forward though from said strip by defender for his side to keep the ball
if it comes out forward
its a scrum loose n feed to the side that already had it.
Re: RL - has little to no contest for possession, or interes
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:09 am
by Topper
No burps please. It was a serious question.
Re: RL - has little to no contest for possession, or interes
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:12 am
by Raiderdave
Topper wrote:No burps please. It was a serious question.
its a serious answer
Re: RL - has little to no contest for possession, or interes
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:15 am
by Topper
I said no burps.