Talking Footy

eelofwest wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

pussycat wrote:

On FTA or PTV the NRL win easily. Does a hollow victory from having 4 FTA games to 3 (3 live to 1), 9 PTV games to 5 give you some type of peverse pleasure? On FTA or PTV the NRL rate much better - simple fact!

The only game that is much of a muchness is the Friday night games and even then the NRL has two games with TV into the favoured market place. The AFL could have gotten a much bigger TV audience by doing what the NRL has done and gone with Monday, Sunday and Thursday night footy, every game independently shown live, but they have chosen not to do this. Instead they have given the fans at the games what they want and fans outside the heartland a chance to watch their teams live. Lots of saturday and Sunday day games for the kids to attend and most games on live FTA TV into the home markets.

When AFL games have been shown seperately from other games the ratings are about the same as the NRL. Friday night at best for the NRL is a draw with AFL winning more then losing and thats often with two games merged for the NRL. round 1 for the AFL showed this.

Pies our first 4 rounds proved that NRL rates over a million on friday even without the double header you see now.

AFL cannot touch NRL on FTA or FOX ratings those are the simple truths that some on here cant except...

pussycat wrote:

The Nrl may have began Monday night football but the AFL began Thursday night football.

Kids play there own sports on a Saturday. Stop with hollier than thou attitude. Demetriou's as much or more a businessman as anybody. The NRL accepted the lesser offer from 9/foxtel for the good of the game.

piesman2011 wrote:

pussycat wrote:

The Nrl may have began Monday night football but the AFL began Thursday night football.

Kids play there own sports on a Saturday. Stop with hollier than thou attitude. Demetriou's as much or more a businessman as anybody. The NRL accepted the lesser offer from 9/foxtel for the good of the game.

We have played thrusday night footy maybe 2-3 times with ratings over a million every time despite going up against the Olympics. But again its not good for the fans and C7 have good rating programing on thursday nights.
When the AFL added the 9th game they could have gone for a Monday night game and it would have been a success for a ratings point of view. But it would have taken away from the crowds even more so. Of course it was a business decision to grow the game from grassroots and crowds rating then tV ratings. Perhaps it is the wrong approach we might find out in the future.

If 10 offered more money then 9, then the NRL would have taken the deal. 1billion + with 4 FTA games + a fox deal would have been a win for both the commision and the fans, first and last rights wouldnt have changed this.

piesman2011 wrote:

This will show the difference between AFL saturday and sunday Foxtel ratings when the games dont overlap

Round 1 AFL (no overlaps)

North V Pies 326
Dees V Power 192
#aflgiantsswans 244k
#aflsunssaints 242k
#afldogslions 168k
#AFL #aflfreoeagles 252k
Average 237k (with FTA for all games but the top one)


NRL Saturday and Sunday games (about a four week sample I can get more if anyone is unhappy overlaps on saturday night)

#NRL #NRLNEWCAN 216k
#NRL #NRLCANSGI 219k (FoxSports)
#NRLCROWAR 225k
#NRLSYDBRI 286k
#NRLGLDMAN 283k FoxSports
#NRL #NRLCROSGI 343k FoxSports
#NRL #NRLPARCRO 298k
#NRLNQLPEN 257k FoxSports
#NRL #NRLWARSOU 212k
#NRLCANSYD 199k
#NRL #NRLSOUMEL 379k
#NRLNEWPEN 228k
#NRLCANWAR 85k
#NRL #NRLGLDPAR 204k
#NRLMANCRO 194k
Average 243K

Not a big difference with the AFL games having FTA ratings taking away some of their ratings. You could argue that round 1 is a big round and I am happy to continue the study when we have the bye rounds for AFL. You could also note that NRL has 2 saturday night games on fox at the same time.

pussycat wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

This will show the difference between AFL saturday and sunday Foxtel ratings when the games dont overlap

Round 1 AFL (no overlaps)

North V Pies 326
Dees V Power 192
#aflgiantsswans 244k
#aflsunssaints 242k
#afldogslions 168k
#AFL #aflfreoeagles 252k
Average 237k (with FTA for all games but the top one)


NRL Saturday and Sunday games (about a four week sample I can get more if anyone is unhappy overlaps on saturday night)

#NRL #NRLNEWCAN 216k
#NRL #NRLCANSGI 219k (FoxSports)
#NRLCROWAR 225k
#NRLSYDBRI 286k
#NRLGLDMAN 283k FoxSports
#NRL #NRLCROSGI 343k FoxSports
#NRL #NRLPARCRO 298k
#NRLNQLPEN 257k FoxSports
#NRL #NRLWARSOU 212k
#NRLCANSYD 199k
#NRL #NRLSOUMEL 379k
#NRLNEWPEN 228k
#NRLCANWAR 85k
#NRL #NRLGLDPAR 204k
#NRLMANCRO 194k
Average 243K

Not a big difference with the AFL games having FTA ratings taking away some of their ratings. You could argue that round 1 is a big round and I am happy to continue the study when we have the bye rounds for AFL. You could also note that NRL has 2 saturday night games on fox at the same time.

From that list at least 2 of those matces were shown on a 2hour delay.

I can't see how being on FTA would make much if any difference. Surely if a person folks out for PTv he's going to watch it. Add Free in hi definition where available.

But I think the most unfair part is including 3 NZ matches and only showing the home viewers of one team.

pussycat wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

This will show the difference between AFL saturday and sunday Foxtel ratings when the games dont overlap

Round 1 AFL (no overlaps)

North V Pies 326
Dees V Power 192
#aflgiantsswans 244k
#aflsunssaints 242k
#afldogslions 168k
#AFL #aflfreoeagles 252k
Average 237k (with FTA for all games but the top one)


NRL Saturday and Sunday games (about a four week sample I can get more if anyone is unhappy overlaps on saturday night)

#NRL #NRLNEWCAN 216k
#NRL #NRLCANSGI 219k (FoxSports)
#NRLCROWAR 225k
#NRLSYDBRI 286k
#NRLGLDMAN 283k FoxSports
#NRL #NRLCROSGI 343k FoxSports
#NRL #NRLPARCRO 298k
#NRLNQLPEN 257k FoxSports
#NRL #NRLWARSOU 212k
#NRLCANSYD 199k
#NRL #NRLSOUMEL 379k
#NRLNEWPEN 228k
#NRLCANWAR 85k
#NRL #NRLGLDPAR 204k
#NRLMANCRO 194k
Average 243K

Not a big difference with the AFL games having FTA ratings taking away some of their ratings. You could argue that round 1 is a big round and I am happy to continue the study when we have the bye rounds for AFL. You could also note that NRL has 2 saturday night games on fox at the same time.

From that list at least 2 of those matces were shown on a 2hour delay.

I can't see how being on FTA would make much if any difference. Surely if a person folks out for PTv he's going to watch it. Add Free in hi definition where available.

But I think the most unfair part is including 3 NZ matches and only showing the home viewers of one team.

piesman2011 wrote:

pussycat wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

This will show the difference between AFL saturday and sunday Foxtel ratings when the games dont overlap

Round 1 AFL (no overlaps)

North V Pies 326
Dees V Power 192
#aflgiantsswans 244k
#aflsunssaints 242k
#afldogslions 168k
#AFL #aflfreoeagles 252k
Average 237k (with FTA for all games but the top one)


NRL Saturday and Sunday games (about a four week sample I can get more if anyone is unhappy overlaps on saturday night)

#NRL #NRLNEWCAN 216k
#NRL #NRLCANSGI 219k (FoxSports)
#NRLCROWAR 225k
#NRLSYDBRI 286k
#NRLGLDMAN 283k FoxSports
#NRL #NRLCROSGI 343k FoxSports
#NRL #NRLPARCRO 298k
#NRLNQLPEN 257k FoxSports
#NRL #NRLWARSOU 212k
#NRLCANSYD 199k
#NRL #NRLSOUMEL 379k
#NRLNEWPEN 228k
#NRLCANWAR 85k
#NRL #NRLGLDPAR 204k
#NRLMANCRO 194k
Average 243K

Not a big difference with the AFL games having FTA ratings taking away some of their ratings. You could argue that round 1 is a big round and I am happy to continue the study when we have the bye rounds for AFL. You could also note that NRL has 2 saturday night games on fox at the same time.

From that list at least 2 of those matces were shown on a 2hour delay.

I can't see how being on FTA would make much if any difference. Surely if a person folks out for PTv he's going to watch it. Add Free in hi definition where available.

But I think the most unfair part is including 3 NZ matches and only showing the home viewers of one team.

So what you are saying is that people in Adelaide, Perth or sydney wouldnt get PTV ot find a Foxtel set if their teams wernt on FTA. Thats exactly what i do if im not at the game and my team is on fox. When its on FTA I watch it from home.

Not unfair for the Warrior games at all it is showing the same market. OZ PTV. I took out the one game which clearly stated delayed for the NRL. I didnt notice any others with delayed next to it. I would be happy to take them out if they are delayed.

pussycat wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

pussycat wrote:

From that list at least 2 of those matces were shown on a 2hour delay.

I can't see how being on FTA would make much if any difference. Surely if a person folks out for PTv he's going to watch it. Add Free in hi definition where available.

But I think the most unfair part is including 3 NZ matches and only showing the home viewers of one team.

So what you are saying is that people in Adelaide, Perth or sydney wouldnt get PTV ot find a Foxtel set if their teams wernt on FTA. Thats exactly what i do if im not at the game and my team is on fox. When its on FTA I watch it from home.

Not unfair for the Warrior games at all it is showing the same market. OZ PTV. I took out the one game which clearly stated delayed for the NRL. I didnt notice any others with delayed next to it. I would be happy to take them out if they are delayed.

What i'm saying is saying is , if there was a game between team x and team y and you only counted the Team x viewers and neutral viewers then your ignoring a very large chunk of the viewers.

pussycat wrote:

How is it fair to restrict the viewers to just Foxtel when comparing the viewers of AFL/NRL ? In 1994 If the NRL, had know that only Foxtel viewers, or only Australian TV companies, were going to be counted in viewers number ratings Im sure they would of located a team elsewhere.

If you don't include NZ you are comparing 100% of The AFL with 90% of the NRL .....And still coming up with the silver medal