Talking Footy

I could have sworn Gem (and other 9 affiliates) went to SA Northern Territory has a small .Arguably evenly divided populatin who watch Impalla TV.

Trying to compare the NRL involvement with NZ and the AFL involvement is laughable. They may have some scheme to try and promote the game in NZ but are certainly nothing like a $100m dollar contract - a major market , No different to 7,9 or Foxtel. The NZ contract/agrrment would be nothing more than a scheme aimed at promoting the game in NZ. Certainly not something thats going to show on a financial statement, not in the profit section anyrate. Maybe in the losses section under expenses incurred from promoting the game. The NRL has many Such Schemes and understandings to promote the game overseas. One that readily comes to mind is there deal with ESPN. This is hardy an nrl market, certainly not something thats going to provide the NRL with 20% of TV revenue for the next 5 years.


How do you know the Gem figures and Metro figures have been added together for the 512 figure? I distinctly recall Beau figures showing the Metro number(512) as well as Gem number. If you think back to last year, I can recall many occasions where the original number were later updated with more accurate figure.If there are 30 metro users listed for gem it follows that 1/3 or 10 others regional parts of those states, just as the metro figure might be 300 with another 200 (2/3) watching in region areas of WA , Vic & SA. And this would be no different for there secondary channel - 7mate only the percentage for regional viewers reversed to 2/3 because they are now going to (NSW/Qld).


TAS, WA are included, they are seperate markets but can easily added on. As for SA, As the lady from Oztam said, ,the area outside the main catchment area is not worth worrying about'.


I looked up the population of people using diary markets (1908) - 1.5m.... Much has happen in TV since that time. Both Tasmania and Regional WA are covered now by regional Tam leaving few, and as I said earlier, There are as many or more areas in NSW/Qld not counted by Regional tam.

pussycat wrote:

I could have sworn Gem (and other 9 affiliates) went to SA Northern Territory has a small .Arguably evenly divided populatin who watch Impalla TV.

They do, however there are no Oztam boxes in NT and some of regional SA are not covered as well.

pussycat wrote:

Trying to compare the NRL involvement with NZ and the AFL involvement is laughable. They may have some scheme to try and promote the game in NZ but are certainly nothing like a $100m dollar contract - a major market , No different to 7,9 or Foxtel. The NZ contract/agrrment would be nothing more than a scheme aimed at promoting the game in NZ. Certainly not something thats going to show on a financial statement, not in the profit section anyrate. Maybe in the losses section under expenses incurred from promoting the game. The NRL has many Such Schemes and understandings to promote the game overseas. One that readily comes to mind is there deal with ESPN. This is hardy an nrl market, certainly not something thats going to provide the NRL with 20% of TV revenue for the next 5 years.

Got no issue you saying NZ is a NRL market and that the AFL involvement in NZ is much smaller. That is fine but I still dont see why you get to add NZ TV ratings and AFL doesnt. Even if its almost nothing for the AFL. We are even playing a game in NZ in a weeks time. So does this suddenly make it a AFL market. We have a TV contract with NZ as well. But I dont see why you get to include NZ in your ratings and we dont. Its just strange.

pussycat wrote:

How do you know the Gem figures and Metro figures have been added together for the 512 figure? I distinctly recall Beau figures showing the Metro number(512) as well as Gem number. If you think back to last year, I can recall many occasions where the original number were later updated with more accurate figure.If there are 30 metro users listed for gem it follows that 1/3 or 10 others regional parts of those states, just as the metro figure might be 300 with another 200 (2/3) watching in region areas of WA , Vic & SA. And this would be no different for there secondary channel - 7mate only the percentage for regional viewers reversed to 2/3 because they are now going to (NSW/Qld).

http://www.regionaltam.com.au/?page_id=19#
you might be right there are no vic numbers in the 512. I checked. feel free to add that 16 back. Might just be the C9 ratings

pussycat wrote:

TAS, WA are included, they are seperate markets but can easily added on. As for SA, As the lady from Oztam said, ,the area outside the main catchment area is not worth worrying about'.

Yeah I see WA and Tas in the below rating columns cool.

pussycat wrote:

I looked up the population of people using diary markets (1908) - 1.5m.... Much has happen in TV since that time. Both Tasmania and Regional WA are covered now by regional Tam leaving few, and as I said earlier, There are as many or more areas in NSW/Qld not counted by Regional tam.

These are the areas not covered by regional tam all up about 1 million

SA/NSW (AFL area border of SA produced many AFL stars)
Port Pirie /Broken Hill
People: 138,700

NT/Some SA/ Eastern Qld
Satellite
People: 438,600
50% AFL

Griffith Vic
People: 68,800

Mildura vic
People: 65,000

Darwin 75% AFL
People: 129,600

SA
Loxton / Mt Gambier
People: 127,300

70% AFL at least.

piesman2011 wrote:

pussycat wrote:

I could have sworn Gem (and other 9 affiliates) went to SA Northern Territory has a small .Arguably evenly divided populatin who watch Impalla TV.

They do, however there are no Oztam boxes in NT and some of regional SA are not covered as well.

A poulation of about 230k - 70-80 residences. Divided by the 2 codes . Pretty much cancel one another out.

piesman2011 wrote:

pussycat wrote:

Trying to compare the NRL involvement with NZ and the AFL involvement is laughable. They may have some scheme to try and promote the game in NZ but are certainly nothing like a $100m dollar contract - a major market , No different to 7,9 or Foxtel. The NZ contract/agrrment would be nothing more than a scheme aimed at promoting the game in NZ. Certainly not something thats going to show on a financial statement, not in the profit section anyrate. Maybe in the losses section under expenses incurred from promoting the game. The NRL has many Such Schemes and understandings to promote the game overseas. One that readily comes to mind is there deal with ESPN. This is hardy an nrl market, certainly not something thats going to provide the NRL with 20% of TV revenue for the next 5 years.

Got no issue you saying NZ is a NRL market and that the AFL involvement in NZ is much smaller. That is fine but I still dont see why you get to add NZ TV ratings and AFL doesnt. Even if its almost nothing for the AFL. We are even playing a game in NZ in a weeks time. So does this suddenly make it a AFL market. We have a TV contract with NZ as well. But I dont see why you get to include NZ in your ratings and we dont. Its just strange.

NZ Sky Tv is a market of the ARL , just like 9 and foxtel are , or 7/ foxtel are for AFL.

The NRL have played games in Japan & China there games are shown in PNG , Samoa and thousands of other countries each week - I expect the AFL could say similar. But they are not markets.

I find it strange how the AFL get to include there Pay TV ratings in to categories.

I find it strange that this year highest rating PTV game was shown in direct opposition to another PTV . But mention direct opposition or concurrent matches to AFL follower and they scream like a banchee and come up with all types of excuses.

Yep NZ sure is a market but it is unfair to show ratings for NZ for one sport but not another. It would be like us refusing to add your WA and SA ratings because you dont have a team there. Broadcasting into WA and SA would have made the NRL no money what so ever, so does this mean we dont count your SA and WA ratings (maybe an extra 4-5 thousand). We show our fox ratings as well as FTA ratings for the same games because they are seperate viewers watching the same game.

The two NRL games averaged about 230K for both games which isnt huge. The NRL got big ratings and the following day AFL got about 100K more for their 3 games showed concurrently but it seams that the NRL supporters are the only ones allowed to bring up concurrent ratings.

piesman2011 wrote:

pussycat wrote:

How do you know the Gem figures and Metro figures have been added together for the 512 figure? I distinctly recall Beau figures showing the Metro number(512) as well as Gem number. If you think back to last year, I can recall many occasions where the original number were later updated with more accurate figure.If there are 30 metro users listed for gem it follows that 1/3 or 10 others regional parts of those states, just as the metro figure might be 300 with another 200 (2/3) watching in region areas of WA , Vic & SA. And this would be no different for there secondary channel - 7mate only the percentage for regional viewers reversed to 2/3 because they are now going to (NSW/Qld).

http://www.regionaltam.com.au/?page_id=19#
you might be right there are no vic numbers in the 512. I checked. feel free to add that 16 back. Might just be the C9 ratings

pussycat wrote:

TAS, WA are included, they are seperate markets but can easily added on. As for SA, As the lady from Oztam said, ,the area outside the main catchment area is not worth worrying about'.

Yeah I see WA and Tas in the below rating columns cool.

pussycat wrote:

I looked up the population of people using diary markets (1908) - 1.5m.... Much has happen in TV since that time. Both Tasmania and Regional WA are covered now by regional Tam leaving few, and as I said earlier, There are as many or more areas in NSW/Qld not counted by Regional tam.

These are the areas not covered by regional tam all up about 1 million

SA/NSW (AFL area border of SA produced many AFL stars)
Port Pirie /Broken Hill
People: 138,700

NT/Some SA/ Eastern Qld
Satellite
People: 438,600
50% AFL

Griffith Vic
People: 68,800

Mildura vic
People: 65,000

Darwin 75% AFL
People: 129,600

SA
Loxton / Mt Gambier
People: 127,300

70% AFL at least.

1 million - or 300k households. Central Qld population 200k mad keen rugby league supporters.

Riverena area - very strong league area


http://www.regionaltam.com.au/

Im prepared to say of 300k remaining households basicaly cancel each other out in terms of AFL/NRL support.

piesman2011 wrote:

Yep NZ sure is a market but it is unfair to show ratings for NZ for one sport but not another. It would be like us refusing to add your WA and SA ratings because you dont have a team there. Broadcasting into WA and SA would have made the NRL no money what so ever, so does this mean we dont count your SA and WA ratings (maybe an extra 4-5 thousand). We show our fox ratings as well as FTA ratings for the same games because they are seperate viewers watching the same game.

The two NRL games averaged about 230K for both games which isnt huge. The NRL got big ratings and the following day AFL got about 100K more for their 3 games showed concurrently but it seams that the NRL supporters are the only ones allowed to bring up concurrent ratings.

The only people that whinge about concurrent games is AFL supporters - and many other excuses also, to cover up for a very lack lustre game.


Is this about NRL v AFL or is it about 3/4 of the NRL v AFL ?

Qld might be 100-200K.

The rest are SA border ie Brokenhill no where near riverena (they get SA TV and are very close to Adelaide despite being in NSW), SA, Vic areas and NT (maybe another 100K RL supporters). 900K out which only NT has a bit of rugby league in it. So I was generous with 300K. 2/3 AFL at the least probabaly 3/4.

pussycat wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

Yep NZ sure is a market but it is unfair to show ratings for NZ for one sport but not another. It would be like us refusing to add your WA and SA ratings because you dont have a team there. Broadcasting into WA and SA would have made the NRL no money what so ever, so does this mean we dont count your SA and WA ratings (maybe an extra 4-5 thousand). We show our fox ratings as well as FTA ratings for the same games because they are seperate viewers watching the same game.

The two NRL games averaged about 230K for both games which isnt huge. The NRL got big ratings and the following day AFL got about 100K more for their 3 games showed concurrently but it seams that the NRL supporters are the only ones allowed to bring up concurrent ratings.

The only people that whinge about concurrent games is AFL supporters - and many other excuses also, to cover up for a very lack lustre game.


Is this about NRL v AFL or is it about 3/4 of the NRL v AFL ?

Like I said I dont mind you showing the NZ TV ratings if you show both. As foar 3/4 you are kidding right. 12 million of 114 million isnt 1/4. Perhaps we can have 2 ratings one for NZ and Oz and the other one OZ only. I wont even care really if you only show the ratings for NZ and Oz for the NRL. The NZ AFL ratings would probabaly only total at most a 1 million by the end of the year.

piesman2011 wrote:

Qld might be 100-200K.

The rest are SA border ie Brokenhill no where near riverena (they get SA TV and are very close to Adelaide despite being in NSW), SA, Vic areas and NT (maybe another 100K RL supporters). 900K out which only NT has a bit of rugby league in it. So I was generous with 300K. 2/3 AFL at the least probabaly 3/4.

Cenrtral Qld had a population of 190k in 2005 - Almost Totally league!

Wikipedia
Northern territory population 233k
“Per capita figures show that the Northern Territory along with Queensland are the highest participators per capita of rugby league in Australia”

Outback NSW has a strong to fair league presence.


Griffith is in the riverina.

So thats 190k+114k ( half NT)+ 34k ( half griffith) = 338 max so like i said 1/3 with NT favouring AFL ( talking participation AFL has double the participation of RL in the NT)

http://fulltext.ausport.gov.au/fulltext ... ll%202.pdf

http://fulltext.ausport.gov.au/fulltext ... ue%202.pdf

Taking that into consideration. It should be 190 Qld 75 nt and 34 griffith total 299 k

@MediaweekAUS: Fri TV #AFL Seven 568k (Mel 460k Ade 108k) 7mate 141k (Syd 36k Bri 27k Per 78k) #AFLSwansCats

@MediaweekAUS: Fri STV #AFL #AFLSwansCats 298k Post-game 134k Pre-game 96k #FoxFooty

1.007m for the AFL without regionals.

Imagine if Perth didnt get the game at 5.30pm on a secondary digital channel

@MediaweekAUS: Fri TV #NRL Nine 760k (Syd 413k Bri 346k) GEM 61k (Mel 40k Ade 4k Per 17k) #AUSvNZ

821k for a rep game. Seems a bit low for a game representing the entire heartland in one game. Look at those Sydney figures! 8.8% audience for the Kangaroos v second best country in the world. Melbourne rated about 13% for a home and away game.

AFL is losing so much ground with perth games being on 7mate

QueenslandISAFL wrote:

AFL is losing so much ground with perth games being on 7mate

Agree. Showing an AFL game at 5.30pm on a week day against the news at 6pm is lunacy. Add to that its on the second digital channel

These games would be 50-100k more on 7 at 7.30