Talking Footy

Mal wrote:

Hey xman how is your maths? If the NRL is up 20% how can the average per game not also be up? There are the same number of teams and games so it is patently obvious the average must be up. Your argument is nonsensible rubbish. If you're trying to argue a point you're gonna have to do better than that.

Mal hes playing dumb or just down right dishonest.

This is what happens when he realizes that the AFL are going backwards on ratings for the second year running while the NRL is up about %5 in 2015 and another 20%+ in 2016 after round 7.

Its burns him inside so his survival instincts come out....

eelofwest wrote:

Mal wrote:

Hey xman how is your maths? If the NRL is up 20% how can the average per game not also be up? There are the same number of teams and games so it is patently obvious the average must be up. Your argument is nonsensible rubbish. If you're trying to argue a point you're gonna have to do better than that.

Mal hes playing dumb or just down right dishonest.

This is what happens when he realizes that the AFL are going backwards on ratings for the second year running while the NRL is up about %5 in 2015 and another 20%+ in 2016 after round 7.

Its burns him inside so his survival instincts come out....

actually TV ratings across the board are dropping due to greater viewer choice through the introduction of secondary channels and streaming services like netflix. http://www.smh.com.au/business/media-an ... o5jev.html

The NRL have changed their schedule substantially from last year so a direct comparison isnt possible. Next season would be a better indication of change

Fair dinkum xman you do more backflips than a room full of politicians. Now you concede the average is up but come up with some lame spin doctoring. It's not about scheduling or your perception of popularity its about sets of eyeballs on the game.

The FACT is the NRL is up 5 Mill viewers on last year. It's incontrovertible, beyond dispute, can't be questioned but you're saying it dosen't have anything to do with popularity.......laughable.

It's like last years GF's. The NRL got 600,000 more viewers than the rabble ball equivalent but you lot spun it as a victory to rabble ball because of scheduling. It beats me how anyone can argue that lower ratings mean more popularity.......but that's what you're doing!! You're not John Cleese are you????

Xman wrote:

pussycat wrote:

Xman wrote:

Just on that 20% increase, Wookie's tables are adding your figures incorrectly. Your round 4 FN game has been given a total of 1.5m when in actual fact it only amounts to 1.1m. Same as round 5 FN game. It looks like Wookie is adding up the total metro and regionals then adding these numbers together to the individual city figures again. So your 20% needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

As for last night, if the figures for fox are decent this game will be the highest rating game of the year so far, beating every NRL game. So it's not a round in isolation, it's the one that rules them all (so far)

R4. FN metro 557k + 384K regionals + 229k fox = 1170 (without sky)
I imagine your Rd5 calculations are just as shit.

either way it wont make the top 10! maybe the top 20.

what are you on about?

The regional figure is 361 not 384, I've copied that down wrong. But there is nothing wrong with Wookies figures. Meaning yes a 20% increase.

Mal wrote:

Fair dinkum xman you do more backflips than a room full of politicians. Now you concede the average is up but come up with some lame spin doctoring. It's not about scheduling or your perception of popularity its about sets of eyeballs on the game.

The FACT is the NRL is up 5 Mill viewers on last year. It's incontrovertible, beyond dispute, can't be questioned but you're saying it dosen't have anything to do with popularity.......laughable.

It's like last years GF's. The NRL got 600,000 more viewers than the rabble ball equivalent but you lot spun it as a victory to rabble ball because of scheduling. It beats me how anyone can argue that lower ratings mean more popularity.......but that's what you're doing!! You're not John Cleese are you????

Mal Mal Mal, settle yourself down champ.

If you introduce more live games in prime time your total viewers will obviously rise, and significantly. Instead of having 1 game rating 1m and the delayed game rating 500k you now have both games rating 1m. If you introduce more games on fox in prime time your viewership must rise also because prime time games rate higher than afternoon games. I've never disputed this.

I've only disputed that your 'comparable' games to last year, such as your live FN game and live Sunday games, are not achieving higher ratings than last year, and they dont appear to be. Certainly not by 20%. If they did you wouldnt be struggling to get audiences over 1.1m while the AFL's game last night will be in the order of 1.3-1.4m

Comprehend yet?

pussycat wrote:

Xman wrote:

pussycat wrote:

Xman wrote:

Just on that 20% increase, Wookie's tables are adding your figures incorrectly. Your round 4 FN game has been given a total of 1.5m when in actual fact it only amounts to 1.1m. Same as round 5 FN game. It looks like Wookie is adding up the total metro and regionals then adding these numbers together to the individual city figures again. So your 20% needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

As for last night, if the figures for fox are decent this game will be the highest rating game of the year so far, beating every NRL game. So it's not a round in isolation, it's the one that rules them all (so far)

R4. FN metro 557k + 384K regionals + 229k fox = 1170 (without sky)
I imagine your Rd5 calculations are just as shit.

either way it wont make the top 10! maybe the top 20.

what are you on about?

The regional figure is 361 not 384, I've copied that down wrong. But there is nothing wrong with Wookies figures. Meaning yes a 20% increase.

Wookie has your FN game in round 4 as totalling over 1.5m. You think this is correct?

Did you figure that fox simulcast helps as well

Which us nrl folk have been saying since day 1
I extra live game doesn't achieve an extra 20% lift

All fox games are up overall.

Wait to origin time lol

leeroy*NRL* wrote:

Did you figure that fox simulcast helps as well

Which us nrl folk have been saying since day 1
I extra live game doesn't achieve an extra 20% lift

All fox games are up overall.

Wait to origin time lol

no doubt simulcasting helps some, probably more to do with counting than audience I'd say. But can you see how Wookie is adding the regionals twice?

1.3m for the AFL last night (Fri STV #AFL #foxfooty #AFLHawksCrows 294k), highest rating game of the season for both codes.

Last nights NRL game rated Fri STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLBroncosSouths 231k + 858k= 1.089m

Xman, are the NRL ratings up 20% or not? That is the bottom line....the end figure, the final result. You can spin it any way you like but the figures don't lie. (Although I believe you will find a way to make them if it suits your rabble ball agenda).

You're just giving reasons why there up in some lame attempt to downplay the increase. By your reasoning comparisons with last year are irrelevant and shouldn't be made......laughable. Try spinning that to an advertiser or the broadcaster..........."Hey mate, NRL veiwers are up 20% but I wouldn't advertise there, the popularity is still the same". LOL......

Mal wrote:

Xman, are the NRL ratings up 20% or not? That is the bottom line....the end figure, the final result. You can spin it any way you like but the figures don't lie. (Although I believe you will find a way to make them if it suits your rabble ball agenda).

You're just giving reasons why there up in some lame attempt to downplay the increase. By your reasoning comparisons with last year are irrelevant and shouldn't be made......laughable. Try spinning that to an advertiser or the broadcaster..........."Hey mate, NRL veiwers are up 20% but I wouldn't advertise there, the popularity is still the same". LOL......

Fine, lets ignore reasons and go with figures, since as you say, they dont lie. The final figure is the AFL earn more in TV revenue than the NRL, even accounting for RL's SOO, internationals games, and international rights.

As far as popularity goes, you've had an increase due to changing your schedule, which means little when the AFL still have higher rating games like last night

This year's first 5 Sunday arfternoon games with full rating figures available average 751k

The same figure for 2015 was 780k

This excludes NZ for both years so it's apples for apples

This represents a decrease in Sunday afternoon FTA (plus fox for 2016) ratings of nearly 4%

This is what I'm getting at. Like for like does not represent a 20% increase. The change is due to scheduling changes only

The only change to our schedule is one delayed game instead of one live game although there were 7 or 8 weeks were we had the same set up like Rd.1 up over 400k extra (no SKY which was over 200k last year) and Rd 5 up almost 300k (again no sky).

Our Rd1 match was 240 without gem regionals , and without sky - our opening game on sky last year got 40k. regardless we will have a new leader in a few weeks

Round 1

Thursday, March 3
Eels vs. Broncos Pirtek Stadium 8:05pm
Nine 674,000 (metro) +357 (Reg)
Fox Sports 219,000 = 1.25m + NZ Sky ?
Friday, March 4
Sea Eagles vs. Bulldogs Brookvale Oval 8:05pm
Nine 756,000
Fox Sports 139,000 = 895k + NZ Sky ?
Saturday, March 5
Raiders vs. Panthers GIO Stadium 3:00pm
Fox Sports 211,000
Tigers vs. Warriors Campbelltown Stadium 5:30pm
Fox Sports 237,000 + NZ Sky ?
Cowboys vs. Sharks 1300Smiles Stadium 7:30pm
Fox Sports 359,000
Sunday, March 6
Roosters vs. Rabbitohs Allianz Stadium 4:00pm
Nine 563,000
Fox Sports 172,000 = 735k + NZ Sky ?
Titans vs. Knights Cbus Super Stadium 6:30pm
Fox Sports 238,000
Monday, March 7
Storm vs. Dragons AAMI Park 7:00pm
Fox Sports 289,000
ROUND 1 TOTAL = 4.214m

Round 2

Thursday, March 10
Panthers vs. Bulldogs Pepper Stadium 8:05pm
Fox Sports 193,000
Nine 747,000 / 940k + NZ Sky ?
Friday, March 11
Broncos vs. Warriors Suncorp Stadium 8:05pm
Fox Sports 233,000
Nine 805,000 / 1.038m + NZ sky ?
Saturday, March 12
Raiders vs. Roosters GIO Stadium 3:00pm
Fox Sports 209,000
Rabbitohs vs. Knights ANZ Stadium 5:30pm
Fox Sports 269,000
Eels vs. Cowboys Pirtek Stadium 7:30pm
Fox Sports 328,000
Sunday, March 13
Sharks vs. Dragons Shark Park 4:00pm
Fox Sports 232,000
Nine 631,000 / 863k + NZ Sky ?
Storm vs. Titans AAMI Park 6:30pm
Fox Sports 214,000
Monday, March 14
Tigers vs. Sea Eagles Leichhardt Oval 7:00pm
Fox Sports 263,000

ROUND 2 TOTAL 4.124bm

Round 3

Thu TV #NRL Nine/Gem #NRLCowboysRoosters 470k (Syd 274k Bri 159k Mel 15k Ade 9k Per 12k) Regional 277k #FoxSports 260,000 = 1.007m + NZ Sky ?
Fri TV #NRL Nine/Gem #NRLBulldogsEels 783k Metro: 499k (Syd 317k Bri 142k Mel 21k Ade 3k Per 10k) Reg: 284k #FoxSports 212k = 995k + NZ Sky ?
Sat STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLKnightsRaiders 217k
Sat STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLTitansTigers 212k
Sat STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLPanthersBroncos 303k
Sun TV #NRL Nine/Gem #NRLDragonsSouths 292k (Syd 196k Bri 66k Mel 9k Ade 8k Per 13k) Reg?? Sun STV #FoxSports 221k = + NZ Sky ?
Sun STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLWarriorsStorm 201k + NZ Sky ?
Mon STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLManlySharks 290k

ROUND 3 TOTAL: 3.738m Sunday FTA regionals missing

Round 4

Good Friday #NRL Nine/Gem #NRLSouthsBulldogs Nine 345k (Syd 261k Bri 84k) Gem 33k (Mel 13k Ade 6k Per 14k) Reg 258k Fri STV #NRLSouthsBulldogs 242k – 878k NZ Sky ? ?
Good Friday #NRL Nine/Gem #NRLBroncosCowboys Nine Metro 579k Reg 384k Fri STV #NRLBroncosCowboys 229k – 1.191m NZ Sky ?
Sat STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLRaidersTitans 230k
Sat STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLRoostersManly 275k
Sun TV #NRL DragonsPanthers Nine 234k (Syd 168k Bri 65k) Gem 16k (Mel 5k Ade 2k Per 9k) +Reg 237k #FoxSports 184k / 671k + NZ Sky
Mon STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLWarriorsKnights 157k + NZ Sky ?
Mon STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLTigersEels 307k
Mon STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLSharksStorm 318k

ROUND 4 TOTAL 4.027m

Round 5

Thu TV #NRL #NRLManlySouths Nine 442k (Syd 321k Bri 121k) Gem 46k (Mel 22k Ade 8k Per 16k) Reg 326k Thu STV #FoxSports 242k 1.047m + NZ Sky ?
Fri TV #NRL metro #NRLTitansBroncos 424k Nine 398k (Syd 178k Bri 220k) Gem 26k (Mel 12k Ade 5k Per 8k) Reg 322k STV #NRL #FoxSports 210k 982k NZ Sky ?
Sat STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLCowboysDragons 270k
Sat STV #NRL #Fox Sports #NRLTigersSharks 236k
Sat STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLStormKnights 167k
Sun TV #NRL Nine 346k (Syd 252k Bri 57k) Gem 30k (Mel 19k Ade 5k Per 6k) Reg 289k #FoxSports #NRLEelsPanthers 243k + 908k NZ Sky ?
Sun STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLRoostersWarriors 252k + NZ Sky ?
Mon STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLBulldogsRaiders 281k

ROUND 5 TOTAL 4.130m

Round 6

Thu TV #NRL #NRLBroncosDragons Nine 486k (Syd 236k Bri 250k) Gem 34k (Mel 16k Ade 9k Per 9k) Reg 344k Thu STV #FoxSports 243k 1.073m + NZ Sky ??
Fri TV #NRL #Nine 443k (Syd 306k Bri 137k) #Gem 38k (Mel 16k Ade 10k Per 13k) Reg 298k Fri STV#NRLSouthsRoosters 213k 992k + NZ Sky ??
Sat STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLEelsRaiders 211k
Sat STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLWarriorsManly 255k + NZ Sky ??
Sat STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLPanthersCowboys 276k
Sun STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLSharksTitans 189k
Sun TV #NRL #NRLKnightsTigers Nine 350k (Syd 230k Bri 120k) Gem 24k (Mel 7k Ade 1k Per 16k) Reg 259k #FoxSports 211k 844k + NZ Sky
Mon STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLStormBulldogs 274k

ROUND 6 TOTAL 4.114m

Round 7

Thu TV #NRL Nine/Gem/WIN-NBN #NRLManlyEels 817k (Metro 453k) (Syd 207K, Bri 159k) (Regional 364k) STV #FoxSports 239k 1.056m + NZ Sky ?
Fri TV #NRL Nine/Gem #NRLCowboysSouths Nine 440k (Syd 254k Bri 187k) Gem 27k (Mel 11k Ade 8k Per 8k) Reg 356k STV #FoxSports 228k 1.051m + NZ Sky ?
Sat STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLTitansDragons 189k
Sat STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLBulldogsWarriors 264k + NZ Sky ?
Sat STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLBroncosKnights 260k
Sun STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLRaidersSharks 181k
Sun TV #NRL Nine 348k (Syd 235k Bri 113k) Gem 36k (Mel 19k Ade 9k Per 9k) Reg? #FoxSports #NRLTigersStorm 197k + NZ Sky ?
Mon STV #NRL #FoxSports #NRLRoostersPanthers 280k

ROUND 7 TOTAL 3.862m Sunday Reg missing

NRL 2016 ratings after 7 rounds 28,209m without NZ Sky which were 1.249m after 7 rounds in 2015.

NRL 2015 ratings after 7 rounds 24,616m - of which 1.249m is from NZ Sky = 23,367m

Effectively the NRL is up about 5million when we do a like for like comparison to last years figures.

Cant be explained anymore simpler than that boys.

NRL 2015 up 5%
AFL 2015 down about 9%

NRL 2016 After round 7 up over 20%
AFL 2016 After round 4 down about 5%

=D> =D> :_<>

2016's first 5 rounds of foxtel without simulcast FTA was 3439k

2015's first 6 rounds of MN and SN on foxtel was 3004k

This represents a 14% increase in ratings. So this plus the Thursday night game appears to be where the increase has come from