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Re: Fight Club - Football TV Ratings Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:34 pm
by Raiderdave
Xman wrote:Raiderdave wrote:
really .... when did the NRL announce its deal had been finalised ?
oh thats right .. they haven't
whats that I can smell
fear ?

NZ's regionals, or ratings etc were never discussed in this manner and therefore not compared.
Fact is the AFL is worth more to Ch7/Foxtel than the NRL is to Ch9/Foxtel. This is exactly what were were saying!

so
Ch 7 & foxtel paid 950 Million in cash & another 150m in contra for ..... 594 hours of VFL a year
&
Ch 9 & foxtel paid 925 Million in cash & another 100m in contra for ..... 384 hours of NRL a year
I'd say the 2 bottom carriers feel the NRL .... is far ... far more valuable
end of

Re: Fight Club - Football TV Ratings Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:40 pm
by piesman2011
Raiderdave wrote:Xman wrote:Raiderdave wrote:
really .... when did the NRL announce its deal had been finalised ?
oh thats right .. they haven't
whats that I can smell
fear ?

NZ's regionals, or ratings etc were never discussed in this manner and therefore not compared.
Fact is the AFL is worth more to Ch7/Foxtel than the NRL is to Ch9/Foxtel. This is exactly what were were saying!

so
Ch 7 & foxtel paid 950 Million in cash & another 150m in contra for ..... 594 hours of VFL a year
&
Ch 9 & foxtel paid 925 Million in cash & another 100m in contra for ..... 384 hours of NRL a year
I'd say the 2 bottom carriers feel the NRL .... is far ... far more valuable
end of

I agree with you Dave. Per hour the NRL get more money from its broadcast deal. In its current format the NRL with 2 Friday nights, monday night and no broadcasts overlapping (apart from maybe Saturday night) makes it an excellent product for TV and worth almost as much as the AFL deal with its extra hours, less primetime and 8 out of 9 games overlaped by another game. (not hard to spin it either way Dave).
Re: Fight Club - Football TV Ratings Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:49 pm
by Xman
Raiderdave wrote:Xman wrote:Raiderdave wrote:
really .... when did the NRL announce its deal had been finalised ?
oh thats right .. they haven't
whats that I can smell
fear ?

NZ's regionals, or ratings etc were never discussed in this manner and therefore not compared.
Fact is the AFL is worth more to Ch7/Foxtel than the NRL is to Ch9/Foxtel. This is exactly what were were saying!

so
Ch 7 & foxtel paid 950 Million in cash & another 150m in contra for ..... 594 hours of VFL a year
&
Ch 9 & foxtel paid 925 Million in cash & another 100m in contra for ..... 384 hours of NRL a year
I'd say the 2 bottom carriers feel the NRL .... is far ... far more valuable
end of

As Pies said, almost every AFL game is shown concurrently against another game, splitting the ratings. In effect there are only 6 individual AFL games shown per weekend compare to the NRL's 8.
Who's got the better value?

Re: Fight Club - Football TV Ratings Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:51 pm
by Stewie
Don't forget to add Sunday night games as well as a night grand final to that list Pies. Also you shouldn't forget the fact that 7 paid less because the AFL forced them to show Friday and Saturday Night Football live. The AFL could easily get so much more for their TV deal if they took the nRL direction and sold out to the TV networks and let them do the fixture, but the AFL thinks about fans who want to go to the football as well =D>
Re: Fight Club - Football TV Ratings Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:57 pm
by pussycat
The ARL is worth more to 9 than the AFL to 7 also the Nrl is worth more to Fox than the AFL to Fox. The only reason it payed more this time round is because it was trying to increase take up in the AFL states.
Re: Fight Club - Football TV Ratings Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:15 pm
by pussycat
Xman wrote:Raiderdave wrote:Xman wrote:NZ's regionals, or ratings etc were never discussed in this manner and therefore not compared.
Fact is the AFL is worth more to Ch7/Foxtel than the NRL is to Ch9/Foxtel. This is exactly what were were saying!

so
Ch 7 & foxtel paid 950 Million in cash & another 150m in contra for ..... 594 hours of VFL a year
&
Ch 9 & foxtel paid 925 Million in cash & another 100m in contra for ..... 384 hours of NRL a year
I'd say the 2 bottom carriers feel the NRL .... is far ... far more valuable
end of

As Pies said, almost every AFL game is shown concurrently against another game, splitting the ratings. In effect there are only 6 individual AFL games shown per weekend compare to the NRL's 8.
Who's got the better value?

Even if we bring ourselves down to your hair brained philosophy level two games Saturday night directly overlaps. On sunday the game at 2 clashes with the game at three. As well as the two games Sunday day night being shown in direct opposition to each other.
But on a more realistic level, there were 3 rounds during your season, where sides where rested, and there was little or no difference.
Re: Fight Club - Football TV Ratings Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:20 pm
by piesman2011
pussycat wrote:Xman wrote:Raiderdave wrote:NZ's regionals, or ratings etc were never discussed in this manner and therefore not compared.
Fact is the AFL is worth more to Ch7/Foxtel than the NRL is to Ch9/Foxtel. This is exactly what were were saying!

so
Ch 7 & foxtel paid 950 Million in cash & another 150m in contra for ..... 594 hours of VFL a year
&
Ch 9 & foxtel paid 925 Million in cash & another 100m in contra for ..... 384 hours of NRL a year
I'd say the 2 bottom carriers feel the NRL .... is far ... far more valuable
end of

As Pies said, almost every AFL game is shown concurrently against another game, splitting the ratings. In effect there are only 6 individual AFL games shown per weekend compare to the NRL's 8.
Who's got the better value?

Even if we bring ourselves down to your hair brained philosophy level two games Saturday night directly overlaps. On sunday the game at 2 clashes with the game at three. As well as the two games Sunday day night being shown in direct opposition to each other.
But on a more realistic level, there were 3 rounds during your season, where sides where rested, and there was little or no difference.[/quote]
Pussy during the year when the teams were rested, there was a massive difference with some of the biggest fox ratings and if I remember correctly about 50K more ratings for foxtel on average per game.
Re: Fight Club - Football TV Ratings Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:22 pm
by pussycat
piesman2011 wrote:Im curious does the AFLs 123 million viewer figure include the preseason cup?
The article does'nt give away much in details. The AFL stooge probably pulled the figures out of his arse.
Re: Fight Club - Football TV Ratings Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:40 pm
by Raiderdave
Xman wrote:Raiderdave wrote:Xman wrote:NZ's regionals, or ratings etc were never discussed in this manner and therefore not compared.
Fact is the AFL is worth more to Ch7/Foxtel than the NRL is to Ch9/Foxtel. This is exactly what were were saying!

so
Ch 7 & foxtel paid 950 Million in cash & another 150m in contra for ..... 594 hours of VFL a year
&
Ch 9 & foxtel paid 925 Million in cash & another 100m in contra for ..... 384 hours of NRL a year
I'd say the 2 bottom carriers feel the NRL .... is far ... far more valuable
end of

As Pies said, almost every AFL game is shown concurrently against another game, splitting the ratings. In effect there are only 6 individual AFL games shown per weekend compare to the NRL's 8.
Who's got the better value?

we still do
414 hrs for the VFL
384 for the NRL
but its actually 7 games a week for us .. not 8.. as we have 2 running concurrently on Sat nights usually
so its
414
to
336
and we've gone from ...... the NRL simply can't get the same money as us .. 6 months ago
to
reasons why they did

Re: Fight Club - Football TV Ratings Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:20 pm
by Xman
pussycat wrote:piesman2011 wrote:Im curious does the AFLs 123 million viewer figure include the preseason cup?
The article does'nt give away much in details. The AFL stooge probably pulled the figures out of his arse.
The article was from an independant source using OZTAM figures.
ANy other excuses?

Re: Fight Club - Football TV Ratings Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:24 pm
by Xman
Raiderdave wrote:Xman wrote:Raiderdave wrote:NZ's regionals, or ratings etc were never discussed in this manner and therefore not compared.
Fact is the AFL is worth more to Ch7/Foxtel than the NRL is to Ch9/Foxtel. This is exactly what were were saying!

so
Ch 7 & foxtel paid 950 Million in cash & another 150m in contra for ..... 594 hours of VFL a year
&
Ch 9 & foxtel paid 925 Million in cash & another 100m in contra for ..... 384 hours of NRL a year
I'd say the 2 bottom carriers feel the NRL .... is far ... far more valuable
end of

As Pies said, almost every AFL game is shown concurrently against another game, splitting the ratings. In effect there are only 6 individual AFL games shown per weekend compare to the NRL's 8.
Who's got the better value?

we still do
414 hrs for the VFL
384 for the NRL
but its actually 7 games a week for us .. not 8.. as we have 2 running concurrently on Sat nights usually
so its
414
to
336
and we've gone from ...... the NRL simply can't get the same money as us .. 6 months ago
to
reasons why they did

[/quote]With far more of the AFLs games outside prime-time.
But but but Dave
The simple fact is we got more money
and better coverage. Your claim of more per minute is laughable and suggests three possible scenarios:
1. Your managment is moronic for not selling more minutes
2. the networks didnt want more minutes
3. Your aim was more money per minute irrespective of the crap FTA coverage and less money overall. Well done on this one! =D> =D>
Re: Fight Club - Football TV Ratings Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:06 pm
by Raiderdave
Xman wrote:
With far more of the AFLs games outside prime-time.

..... another excuse to add to the growing pile in butthurt central
primetime ?
we have LESS FTA games d head
& we have only 1 game in prime time a week on FTA .... 7.30 on a Friday Night
so does the VFL
all the rest of ours are on pay TV
& a replay on sunday arvo aint prime time
the only one but but butting here ... is you
Your claim of more per minute is laughable and suggests three possible scenarios:
IT WAS YOUR ASSUMPTION LONGER TELECASTS ADDED VALUE TO YOUR RIGHTS
did they or not ? ... its a simple question .. were you wrong
The simple fact is we got more money
ah no
fact is ... we will most likely.. in fact almost certainly .. end up with more cash .... in a bigger overall deal ...at the completion of our components
something you lot said ... WAS IMPOSSIBLE , NOT FATHOMABLE , under any circumstances .. only 6 months ago
what happened ?

Re: Fight Club - Football TV Ratings Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:17 pm
by Stewie
Raiderdave wrote:Xman wrote:
With far more of the AFLs games outside prime-time.

..... another excuse to add to the growing pile in butthurt central
primetime ?
we have LESS FTA games d head
& we have only 1 game in prime time a week on FTA .... 7.30 on a Friday Night
so does the VFL
all the rest of ours are on pay TV
& a replay on sunday arvo aint prime time
the only one but but butting here ... is you
Your claim of more per minute is laughable and suggests three possible scenarios:
IT WAS YOUR ASSUMPTION LONGER TELECASTS ADDED VALUE TO YOUR RIGHTS
did they or not ? ... its a simple question .. were you wrong
The simple fact is we got more money
ah no
fact is ... we will most likely.. in fact almost certainly .. end up with more cash .... in a bigger overall deal ...at the completion of our components
something you lot said ... WAS IMPOSSIBLE , NOT FATHOMABLE , under any circumstances .. only 6 months ago
what happened ?

but but but
Fact is, AFL got more money. Deal with it

Re: Fight Club - Football TV Ratings Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:36 pm
by Raiderdave
Stewie wrote:Raiderdave wrote:Xman wrote:

..... another excuse to add to the growing pile in butthurt central
primetime ?
we have LESS FTA games d head
& we have only 1 game in prime time a week on FTA .... 7.30 on a Friday Night
so does the VFL
all the rest of ours are on pay TV
& a replay on sunday arvo aint prime time
the only one but but butting here ... is you
IT WAS YOUR ASSUMPTION LONGER TELECASTS ADDED VALUE TO YOUR RIGHTS
did they or not ? ... its a simple question .. were you wrong
ah no
fact is ... we will most likely.. in fact almost certainly .. end up with more cash .... in a bigger overall deal ...at the completion of our components
something you lot said ... WAS IMPOSSIBLE , NOT FATHOMABLE , under any circumstances .. only 6 months ago
what happened ?

but but but
Fact is, AFL got more money. Deal with it

really
what did we end up with .... I missed the announcement ?
the fear
smell it ... the fear

Re: Fight Club - Football TV Ratings Thread
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:38 pm
by pussycat
piesman2011 wrote:Raiderdave wrote:Xman wrote:NZ's regionals, or ratings etc were never discussed in this manner and therefore not compared.
Fact is the AFL is worth more to Ch7/Foxtel than the NRL is to Ch9/Foxtel. This is exactly what were were saying!

so
Ch 7 & foxtel paid 950 Million in cash & another 150m in contra for ..... 594 hours of VFL a year
&
Ch 9 & foxtel paid 925 Million in cash & another 100m in contra for ..... 384 hours of NRL a year
I'd say the 2 bottom carriers feel the NRL .... is far ... far more valuable
end of

I agree with you Dave. Per hour the NRL get more money from its broadcast deal. In its current format the NRL with 2 Friday nights, monday night and no broadcasts overlapping (apart from maybe Saturday night) makes it an excellent product for TV and worth almost as much as the AFL deal with its extra hours, less primetime and 8 out of 9 games overlaped by another game. (not hard to spin it either way Dave).
2 games kick off Monday night at 7.30, 2 games kick off saturday at 7.30.
R11,12 and 13 where the 3 rounds with very little overlapping. those 3 rounds averaged about 3.1m or 500k a match. the prior 10 rounds averaged about 4.35m for 9 matches or about the same.