Talking Footy

Xman wrote:

post_hoc wrote:

I thought the idea was to yes get good crowds financially independent etc, but also develop the grassroots game in western sydney.

Was that not the aim?

grass roots development, directly relating to the giants, will take decades. Look at the Storm, 17 years of success in Melbourne and we are yet to see any visible signs of growth at grass roots level.

The only real measure we have is how the giants are supported, ie members and crowds. When they rise the club will become financially viable. Again, this took the Storm many years to get near financial stability, if theyve even got that now.

So, what crowds and membership levels do the Giants need to be considered successful?

leeroy*NRL* wrote:

GWS on the Move... ??

Are they finally going to settle in one city

have they decided yet....

post_hoc wrote:

I know the AFL say the GWS are a slow burn, they are there for the long haul etc, will they be competitive? No doubt the AFL is structured so they will eventually get there. Will Western Sydney "fall in love" I really don't think so, I just don't see western sydney kids flocking to play AFL, some will especially sons of former south of the border.

But AFL in the southern states is a cult, families live and breath it, kids play kick to kick at school etc etc. Sydney from my knowledge and Brisbane from my guessing, is simply not like that, even Rugby League isn't that tribal (for the most part) in my house I grew up following Parra, rest of the family followed St George, why? well lived in Western Sydney, played Rugby League for a school that produced players for Parra, played junior rep wearing parra colours etc etc. Not very common in Melbourne I believe it would be like 1 member following Carlton whilst the rest followed St Kilda.

Sydney isn't tribal like that, many many parents that grew up following and playing Rugby league have kids playing Football (soccer), some play both Rugby League and Football in this country are not a cult like AFL are (they are in other countries) but not here.

People may g to watch GWS when they win, they will abandon them when they lose, but they are not the beach head to stake a claim to Western Sydney that the AFL HO think.

Swans4ever wrote:

post_hoc wrote:

I know the AFL say the GWS are a slow burn, they are there for the long haul etc, will they be competitive? No doubt the AFL is structured so they will eventually get there. Will Western Sydney "fall in love" I really don't think so, I just don't see western sydney kids flocking to play AFL, some will especially sons of former south of the border.

But AFL in the southern states is a cult, families live and breath it, kids play kick to kick at school etc etc. Sydney from my knowledge and Brisbane from my guessing, is simply not like that, even Rugby League isn't that tribal (for the most part) in my house I grew up following Parra, rest of the family followed St George, why? well lived in Western Sydney, played Rugby League for a school that produced players for Parra, played junior rep wearing parra colours etc etc. Not very common in Melbourne I believe it would be like 1 member following Carlton whilst the rest followed St Kilda.

Sydney isn't tribal like that, many many parents that grew up following and playing Rugby league have kids playing Football (soccer), some play both Rugby League and Football in this country are not a cult like AFL are (they are in other countries) but not here.

People may g to watch GWS when they win, they will abandon them when they lose, but they are not the beach head to stake a claim to Western Sydney that the AFL HO think.

You know this all sounds like what Rex Mossop and the RL cronies said about the Swans when they moved to Sydney in fact they said far worse! But look at me now!

post_hoc wrote:

Swans4ever wrote:

post_hoc wrote:

I know the AFL say the GWS are a slow burn, they are there for the long haul etc, will they be competitive? No doubt the AFL is structured so they will eventually get there. Will Western Sydney "fall in love" I really don't think so, I just don't see western sydney kids flocking to play AFL, some will especially sons of former south of the border.

But AFL in the southern states is a cult, families live and breath it, kids play kick to kick at school etc etc. Sydney from my knowledge and Brisbane from my guessing, is simply not like that, even Rugby League isn't that tribal (for the most part) in my house I grew up following Parra, rest of the family followed St George, why? well lived in Western Sydney, played Rugby League for a school that produced players for Parra, played junior rep wearing parra colours etc etc. Not very common in Melbourne I believe it would be like 1 member following Carlton whilst the rest followed St Kilda.

Sydney isn't tribal like that, many many parents that grew up following and playing Rugby league have kids playing Football (soccer), some play both Rugby League and Football in this country are not a cult like AFL are (they are in other countries) but not here.

People may g to watch GWS when they win, they will abandon them when they lose, but they are not the beach head to stake a claim to Western Sydney that the AFL HO think.

You know this all sounds like what Rex Mossop and the RL cronies said about the Swans when they moved to Sydney in fact they said far worse! But look at me now!

Competitive yes, said GWS would be, but significant grassroots program? Sorry don't see it

leagueiscrap wrote:

leeroy*NRL* wrote:

GWS on the Move... ??

Are they finally going to settle in one city

have they decided yet....

Hopefully they ditch the Canberra experiment off. Leave it to the tax payers raiders.

They seemed to have pinched several of the raiders fans

BruceOfRedfernNSW wrote:

leagueiscrap wrote:

leeroy*NRL* wrote:

GWS on the Move... ??

Are they finally going to settle in one city

have they decided yet....

Hopefully they ditch the Canberra experiment off. Leave it to the tax payers raiders.

They seemed to have pinched several of the raiders fans

GWS's attention to the ACT has been productive for the AFL: In the 2014 draft, three young players entered the AFL system from Canberra, including Jack Steele who joined GWS from the GIANTS Academy.

BruceOfRedfernNSW wrote:

Victoria hasn't produced enough NRL draftees to start counting, yet.

We will start counting when the number rises to 2.

BruceOfRedfernNSW wrote:

To put my previous post into perspective:

In 2014, about 100 draftees entered the AFL system nationwide. Of those 100, ten (10) came from NSW/ACT.

But NSW/ACT has about 32% of Australia's population.

So it it the goal of AFL NSW/ACT to lift the recruit numbers from NSW/ACT to 20% of the national total.

With the academies performing strongly across all of the region, we are well on our way to reaching that target.

leagueiscrap wrote:

BruceOfRedfernNSW wrote:

leagueiscrap wrote:

leeroy*NRL* wrote:

GWS on the Move... ??

Are they finally going to settle in one city

have they decided yet....

Hopefully they ditch the Canberra experiment off. Leave it to the tax payers raiders.

They seemed to have pinched several of the raiders fans

GWS's attention to the ACT has been productive for the AFL: In the 2014 draft, three young players entered the AFL system from Canberra, including Jack Steele who joined GWS from the GIANTS Academy.

Good effort by those kids getting picked up in the draft. Especially when the bumsniffers claim no one plays AFL in those parts of the world.

While your there Bruce looking up those stats would you mind looking uphow many league players Victoria has produced?

BruceOfRedfernNSW wrote:

Victoria hasn't produced enough NRL draftees to start counting, yet.

We will start counting when the number rises to 2.

AFLcrap1 wrote:

BruceOfRedfernNSW wrote:

Victoria hasn't produced enough NRL draftees to start counting, yet.

We will start counting when the number rises to 2.

We don't have a draft you fucking idiot .