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leagueiscrap wrote:

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 1qlg0.html
The reports this week that 86-year-old Frank Carlino was bashed and robbed of his pension money were disturbing. Whenever Carlino's attackers are brought to justice they'll no doubt be armed with lawyers only too willing to petition for leniency for some reason or other. But some acts are so inherently horrendous, they defy explanation.

Not all crimes are so stark. Consider the Welsh international footballer Chedwyn Evans, and the dilemma faced by the English FA and League One outfit Sheffield United in determining Evans' footballing future.

Convicted rapist Chedwyn Evans was initially allowed to train with Sheffield United following his release.
Convicted rapist Chedwyn Evans was initially allowed to train with Sheffield United following his release. Photo: Getty Images
In 2009, the now 25-year-old Evans moved to Bramall Lane on a £3 million transfer from English football's nouveau plutocrats Manchester City. By any measure Evans was a player of promise. By April 2012, however, Evans was a convicted rapist serving a maximum five years in a Lancashire prison. Though Evans was released last month, his name will remain on the UK sex offenders' register for at least another 15 years.

Despite his conviction, Evans continues to maintain his innocence. Petitions to the English Court of Appeal failed. One appeal judgment, delivered by England's Lord Chief Justice, goes to some lengths to recite the facts of the case.

In May 2011 Evans and a fellow alumnus of the Manchester City academy system, Clayton McDonald, ventured out in the Welsh seaside resort of Rhyl, for what would be a night of intense debauchery. Despite living nearby, Evans booked a room at a less-than-salubrious hotel in McDonald's name.

South Sydney's Kirisome Auva'a.
South Sydney's Kirisome Auva'a. Photo: Getty Images
The evening remained uncontroversial until about 4am, by which time McDonald had separated from Evans and their other companions. At that point McDonald crossed paths with an inebriated 19-year-old waitress, out drinking after a night's work. After a short conversation, McDonald and the young woman caught a taxi to the hotel. The taxi driver, who gave evidence at the trial, described the woman as "dishevelled"; the night porter considered her "extremely drunk". The pair retreated to the hotel room and had sex.

During the journey McDonald texted Evans, saying he'd "got a bird". Maybe this was code for something else, but what wasn't in dispute was that Evans hailed a taxi of his own and darted to the hotel with two other men. Upon arrival, Evans convinced the porter to issue a second room key, despite the room being in McDonald's name. As his friends waited outside, Evans went to the room. When he got there, conjugal activity between McDonald and the woman had ceased. A few minutes passed before Evans and the woman began having sex. Evans' companions filmed part of the act through the window.

Thirty minutes went by before McDonald exited the hotel through the foyer. Passing the night porter, McDonald suggested he'd better keep an eye on the woman as she was "sick". Evans decamped via the fire escape and met McDonald outside. They retreated to Evans' house.

The woman woke around midday, naked and confused. She reported the matter to police and was taken to hospital.

Following an investigation, McDonald and Evans each were charged with rape. The threshold question for the jury was whether the woman might have consented to the sexual activity, between her and one or both accused. If consent was lacking, a second question was whether either accused might reasonably have believed the woman consented. McDonald was acquitted; Evans went down.

Fast forward to now. Upon Evans' release from prison, Sheffield United granted him the opportunity to again train with the club. A decision on Evans' right to resume his playing career hasn't been made. But if the maelstrom of public sentiment is any barometer, a decision in Evans' favour is no fait accompli.

London Olympic gold medallist and Sheffield native Jessica Ennis-Hill has a stand named in her honour at Bramall Lane. Unequivocal is her stance that she wants no association with Sheffield United if it welcomes Evans back. An online petition framed in similar sentiments has attracted 150,000 digital signatures.

Without sitting through the evidence presented at trial, it's impossible to form an absolute view regarding Evans. But whatever your opinion regarding the conduct summarised in the appeal judgment, Evans' actions lack pure abhorrence or moral wickedness. As indigestible as it might be, an explanation of Evans' conduct isn't impossible to frame.

By contrast, consider South Sydney centre Kirisome Auva'a. It's well documented that six months ago Auva'a pleaded guilty in a Melbourne court to charges stemming from his rage against an ex-girlfriend. A withering display of violence, culminating with Auva'a striking his victim to the ground, then swinging her rag doll-style into a garage door.

That the NRL didn't determine Auva'a's sporting future in the period between the guilty plea and final sentencing earlier this month is consistent with the NRL's rules, and appropriate. The suggestion the governing body should've been quicker in imposing a sanction on Auva'a at the end of the criminal case is reasonable, but the process to be followed in the NRL rules is not simple.

From whatever angle you view Auva'a's criminal conduct, his behaviour defies explanation or reason. It's in the same class as the revolting behaviour of Robert Lui, convicted in 2012 of cowardly headbutting, kicking and dragging by the hair his then-pregnant partner.

So, do sports need a paradigm shift in how they respond to cases of such repugnancy? It's a generally accepted sentencing principle that athletes found guilty of standard anti-doping charges face default sanctions of two years' ineligibility. Shouldn't it logically follow that automatic sanctions apply when a sportsperson is convicted of an inexcusable crime, against a defenceless female?

For mine, the NRL should junk the protracted processes when dealing with criminal matters with such a stench. Instead, the secondary imposition of sporting sanctions in such matters should be categoric. If the automatic sanction imposed in a routine doping case is two years' ineligibility – subject to limited defences concerning reduced culpability – why shouldn't the NRL's rules automatically guillotine Kirisome Auva'a from the game for thrice that period.

Any such model requires safeguards to deal with instances where such a sanction would be ridiculously excessive, not just harsh. But is a transparent and up-front system unfair per se, or a deterrent? Your call.

Darren Kane is a Sydney sports lawyer

Foolproof wrote:

I did read that about the paedophile, but has he been convicted? I haven't heard anything about that. You're right - paedophilia is absolutely at the top of the serious offence list. And as a general rule they go for a long time, and can't be rehabilitated.

leagueiscrap wrote:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 7185588195
EX-NRL player Matt Seers has been arrested and charged with supplying cocaine on the Gold Coast.

Seers, who played fullback for the North Sydney Bears and Wests Tigers during the 1990s and early 2000s, has been granted bail and will appear in the Southport Magistrates Court on February 10.

Queensland police said a 40-year-old male from Chinderah had been arrested and charged with “15 counts of supplying a dangerous drug and one count of trafficking a dangerous drug”.

Matt Seers snaps photos during NSW training in 1997.
Matt Seers snaps photos during NSW training in 1997.
The Seers arrest is part of a joint investigation between Queensland police, the Crime and Corruption Commission and NSW police.

The development comes one week after retired Queensland and Australian legend Jason Smith was arrested and charged with allegedly trafficking 280 grams of cocaine between June and December last year.

Matt Seers with Craig Field.
Matt Seers with Craig Field.
Seers was selected on the NSW State of Origin reserves bench during Super League war on four occasions.

Seers is the cousin of ex-NRL player Craig Field, who was sentenced to 10 years in prison after being found guilty of the manslaughter of NSW north-coast farmer Kelvin Kane last December.

looks like another retarrrdby league player could be off to the slammer!
wow the NRL has had a good few months. players, pissing in public, off to jail, charged with assault, etc.

there you are spazza trolling through google, to get any piece of dirt you can on the AFL
when i get an spare after evening i might have to do the same for the NRLOL

AFLsforPussies wrote:

leagueiscrap wrote:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 7185588195
EX-NRL player Matt Seers has been arrested and charged with supplying cocaine on the Gold Coast.

Seers, who played fullback for the North Sydney Bears and Wests Tigers during the 1990s and early 2000s, has been granted bail and will appear in the Southport Magistrates Court on February 10.

Queensland police said a 40-year-old male from Chinderah had been arrested and charged with “15 counts of supplying a dangerous drug and one count of trafficking a dangerous drug”.

Matt Seers snaps photos during NSW training in 1997.
Matt Seers snaps photos during NSW training in 1997.
The Seers arrest is part of a joint investigation between Queensland police, the Crime and Corruption Commission and NSW police.

The development comes one week after retired Queensland and Australian legend Jason Smith was arrested and charged with allegedly trafficking 280 grams of cocaine between June and December last year.

Matt Seers with Craig Field.
Matt Seers with Craig Field.
Seers was selected on the NSW State of Origin reserves bench during Super League war on four occasions.

Seers is the cousin of ex-NRL player Craig Field, who was sentenced to 10 years in prison after being found guilty of the manslaughter of NSW north-coast farmer Kelvin Kane last December.

looks like another retarrrdby league player could be off to the slammer!
wow the NRL has had a good few months. players, pissing in public, off to jail, charged with assault, etc.

there you are spazza trolling through google, to get any piece of dirt you can on the AFL
when i get an spare after evening i might have to do the same for the NRLOL

No need to troll fool, we all know well Peadopilia is far worse than any drug offence.

And peadophilia is what your AFL coach is accused of. You can come up with all the drug offences you like, but at the end of the day nobody likes a rock spider.

How about I go into the accused rape by an AFL player too.

Rape and Peadophilia are far worse than any of the offences you mentioned.

You just got owned dickhead

leagueiscrap wrote:

AFLsforPussies wrote:

leagueiscrap wrote:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 7185588195
EX-NRL player Matt Seers has been arrested and charged with supplying cocaine on the Gold Coast.

Seers, who played fullback for the North Sydney Bears and Wests Tigers during the 1990s and early 2000s, has been granted bail and will appear in the Southport Magistrates Court on February 10.

Queensland police said a 40-year-old male from Chinderah had been arrested and charged with “15 counts of supplying a dangerous drug and one count of trafficking a dangerous drug”.

Matt Seers snaps photos during NSW training in 1997.
Matt Seers snaps photos during NSW training in 1997.
The Seers arrest is part of a joint investigation between Queensland police, the Crime and Corruption Commission and NSW police.

The development comes one week after retired Queensland and Australian legend Jason Smith was arrested and charged with allegedly trafficking 280 grams of cocaine between June and December last year.

Matt Seers with Craig Field.
Matt Seers with Craig Field.
Seers was selected on the NSW State of Origin reserves bench during Super League war on four occasions.

Seers is the cousin of ex-NRL player Craig Field, who was sentenced to 10 years in prison after being found guilty of the manslaughter of NSW north-coast farmer Kelvin Kane last December.

looks like another retarrrdby league player could be off to the slammer!
wow the NRL has had a good few months. players, pissing in public, off to jail, charged with assault, etc.

there you are spazza trolling through google, to get any piece of dirt you can on the AFL
when i get an spare after evening i might have to do the same for the NRLOL

No need to troll fool, we all know well Peadopilia is far worse than any drug offence.

And peadophilia is what your AFL coach is accused of. You can come up with all the drug offences you like, but at the end of the day nobody likes a rock spider.

How about I go into the accused rape by an AFL player too.

Rape and Peadophilia are far worse than any of the offences you mentioned.

You just got owned dickhead

look at the dates of the articles i have posted, dipshit!
the NRL incidents have been of the last few months, yet you queerRL fold need to go digging through google to find some dirt.
lets go digging through google for some NRL incidents of the last decade.

like usual ignore the NRL incidents, but just take the usual self moral higher like the rest of your dumb as dog shite ignorate dole bludging keyboard warrior NRL folk!

leagueiscrap wrote:

AFLsforPussies wrote:

leagueiscrap wrote:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 7185588195
EX-NRL player Matt Seers has been arrested and charged with supplying cocaine on the Gold Coast.

Seers, who played fullback for the North Sydney Bears and Wests Tigers during the 1990s and early 2000s, has been granted bail and will appear in the Southport Magistrates Court on February 10.

Queensland police said a 40-year-old male from Chinderah had been arrested and charged with “15 counts of supplying a dangerous drug and one count of trafficking a dangerous drug”.

Matt Seers snaps photos during NSW training in 1997.
Matt Seers snaps photos during NSW training in 1997.
The Seers arrest is part of a joint investigation between Queensland police, the Crime and Corruption Commission and NSW police.

The development comes one week after retired Queensland and Australian legend Jason Smith was arrested and charged with allegedly trafficking 280 grams of cocaine between June and December last year.

Matt Seers with Craig Field.
Matt Seers with Craig Field.
Seers was selected on the NSW State of Origin reserves bench during Super League war on four occasions.

Seers is the cousin of ex-NRL player Craig Field, who was sentenced to 10 years in prison after being found guilty of the manslaughter of NSW north-coast farmer Kelvin Kane last December.

looks like another retarrrdby league player could be off to the slammer!
wow the NRL has had a good few months. players, pissing in public, off to jail, charged with assault, etc.

there you are spazza trolling through google, to get any piece of dirt you can on the AFL
when i get an spare after evening i might have to do the same for the NRLOL

No need to troll fool, we all know well Peadopilia is far worse than any drug offence.

And peadophilia is what your AFL coach is accused of. You can come up with all the drug offences you like, but at the end of the day nobody likes a rock spider.

How about I go into the accused rape by an AFL player too.

Rape and Peadophilia are far worse than any of the offences you mentioned.

You just got owned dickhead

look at the dates of the articles i have posted, dipshit!
the NRL incidents have been of the last few months, yet you queerRL fold need to go digging through google to find some dirt.
lets go digging through google for some NRL incidents of the last decade.

like usual ignore the NRL incidents, but just take the usual self moral higher like the rest of your dumb as dog shite ignorate dole bludging keyboard warrior NRL folk!

AFLsforPussies wrote:

leagueiscrap wrote:

AFLsforPussies wrote:

leagueiscrap wrote:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 7185588195
EX-NRL player Matt Seers has been arrested and charged with supplying cocaine on the Gold Coast.

Seers, who played fullback for the North Sydney Bears and Wests Tigers during the 1990s and early 2000s, has been granted bail and will appear in the Southport Magistrates Court on February 10.

Queensland police said a 40-year-old male from Chinderah had been arrested and charged with “15 counts of supplying a dangerous drug and one count of trafficking a dangerous drug”.

Matt Seers snaps photos during NSW training in 1997.
Matt Seers snaps photos during NSW training in 1997.
The Seers arrest is part of a joint investigation between Queensland police, the Crime and Corruption Commission and NSW police.

The development comes one week after retired Queensland and Australian legend Jason Smith was arrested and charged with allegedly trafficking 280 grams of cocaine between June and December last year.

Matt Seers with Craig Field.
Matt Seers with Craig Field.
Seers was selected on the NSW State of Origin reserves bench during Super League war on four occasions.

Seers is the cousin of ex-NRL player Craig Field, who was sentenced to 10 years in prison after being found guilty of the manslaughter of NSW north-coast farmer Kelvin Kane last December.

looks like another retarrrdby league player could be off to the slammer!
wow the NRL has had a good few months. players, pissing in public, off to jail, charged with assault, etc.

there you are spazza trolling through google, to get any piece of dirt you can on the AFL
when i get an spare after evening i might have to do the same for the NRLOL

No need to troll fool, we all know well Peadopilia is far worse than any drug offence.

And peadophilia is what your AFL coach is accused of. You can come up with all the drug offences you like, but at the end of the day nobody likes a rock spider.

How about I go into the accused rape by an AFL player too.

Rape and Peadophilia are far worse than any of the offences you mentioned.

You just got owned dickhead

look at the dates of the articles i have posted, dipshit!
the NRL incidents have been of the last few months, yet you queerRL fold need to go digging through google to find some dirt.
lets go digging through google for some NRL incidents of the last decade.

like usual ignore the NRL incidents, but just take the usual self moral higher like the rest of your dumb as dog shite ignorate dole bludging keyboard warrior NRL folk!

Peadophilia of an AFL coach is still worse than any of your so called NRL crimes though. If Peadophilia happened a few months ago or a year ago it does not make it any less of a crime boofhead.

What's with this queer nrl foke comment??? I have no problem with gay people. But is'nt it AFL that has players taking part in gay pride marches and talking of a gay pride round. Also I know the Swans have a huge gay fanbase.

http://www.AFL.com.au/news/2014-07-31/t ... ide-round-