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& I gave you some credit for having a bit of common sense.piesman2011 wrote:It's not just that they denied it. The agreement that your story talks about is not legal. The police can't have an agreement to share that sort of information. They can't have an agreement to seek the AFL's approval before before investigating people. According to Ockham's razor what do you think is the most likely situation.AFLcrap1 wrote:What a surprise ,when they were caught out they both denied it.
Im shocked ,really really shocked that they would deny it.
1. That the AFL have been given special police powers that control police and enable them to stop the police from investigating their players?
OR
2. The story exaggerates the agreement that the police have with the AFL in order to make the story seam more important?
It's not a trick question, there's only one obvious answer if you take your "I hate AFL glasses off".
I'm starting you worry about you crapper.AFLcrap1 wrote:& I gave you some credit for having a bit of common sense.piesman2011 wrote:It's not just that they denied it. The agreement that your story talks about is not legal. The police can't have an agreement to share that sort of information. They can't have an agreement to seek the AFL's approval before before investigating people. According to Ockham's razor what do you think is the most likely situation.AFLcrap1 wrote:What a surprise ,when they were caught out they both denied it.
Im shocked ,really really shocked that they would deny it.
1. That the AFL have been given special police powers that control police and enable them to stop the police from investigating their players?
OR
2. The story exaggerates the agreement that the police have with the AFL in order to make the story seam more important?
It's not a trick question, there's only one obvious answer if you take your "I hate AFL glasses off".
You are basing your argument on the fact the an agreement is not legal.That apparently the Vic police force is all good.( Losing evidence in rape cases against players or leaning on investigating police to drop it should tell you otherwise)
Of fucking course its not legal...hence it was hush hush ,,a secret deal.
I thought the ASADA investigation would open your eyes to what lengths AFL house will go to to protect the Image.
Calling in a Govt head to help is really above board.
& as for your story with both parties denying it.
That's what usually happens when you are caught out...
& it was astory run in lots of media not just the Herald Sun.
& tell me why if all was innocent then vlad wouldn't release details..
The denial says plenty.
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou has refused to release the hidden details behind a secret police contract to share information on the league's identities.
Speaking for the first time since the deal to share law enforcement data was exposed, Mr Demetriou said he was confident the league would emerge unscathed from multiple investigations.
Victoria Police has launched an internal review while both state and federal privacy commissioners are examining the AFL contract.
But Mr Demetriou remains opposed to making public large parts of the contract that have been blacked out, in order to prove the league's viewpoint that nothing sinister is going on.
"It's not for me to release," he told Fairfax Radio on Friday.
"It is subject to confidentiality."
The finer points of the contract have become a battleground between the AFL and league identities, the state opposition and civil liberties advocates.
Police documents released to AAP through a freedom of information request reveal the seven-page contract is designed to help criminal investigations that may be prejudicial to the league.
The contract itself states police "may release law enforcement data to (the) AFL" on players, coaches, club board members and even staff.
The contract includes a comprehensive list of information police can make available, including photos, video and entire files to "prevent or detect, and if necessary investigate".
But the AFL vehemently denies the contract grants them access to police files.
"It doesn't. We've made a point of saying that," Mr Demetriou said.
"Let's be very clear here. The AFL is not above the law. There are privacy laws in place.
"We have never sought, we would never ask the police to release any information, or files or dossiers or secret reports."
The AFL says the contract was signed to firm up points of contact in case a criminal matter arises.
Mr Demetriou said he welcomed the police review - which is investigating the AFL deal and several other agreements that include clauses on information-sharing - and inquiries being made by both privacy commissioners.
"There's nothing sinister (here)," he said.
"We actually welcome the inquiry just so that it will all be cleared up.
"We will come out of this absolutely saying what I'm saying to you."
The AFL has repeatedly refused to answer further questions outside of a league statement issued last week.
http://www.afr.com/p/lifestyle/sport/af ... 4hFvCphkfN
We are innocent ,I can prove it...yet I wont .
& this,
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-08-10/w ... eal/939404
The AFL and Victoria Police both describe the deal simply as a way to establish points of contact if a criminal matter arises.
But a police summary of the deal appears to contradict those claims.
The document, obtained by AAP under freedom of information laws, says the agreement is designed to "eliminate gambling, match-fixing, illicit drug-taking, possession, sexual assault, family violence, etc, that would be prejudicial to the interests of the AFL".
The agreement itself also states that one of its purposes is "to develop a relationship to prevent or detect, and if necessary, investigate".
About 40 per cent of the released MOU, however, has been blacked out, including parts that explain how wide-ranging the agreement is and both the AFL's and police force's obligations under it.
Civil liberties advocates say the level of secrecy surrounding the deal is concerning.
Liberty Victoria president Michael Pearce, SC, said the AFL should release the full contract to prove that nothing untoward has happened.
"It just makes you suspicious when they won't even release the name of the AFL person who signed it," he said.
When asked if the AFL would release the full contract or at least the name of the person who signed off on it, the league's spokesman Patrick Keane refused to answer any questions.
"I refuse to comment," he said.
Two investigations are already under way into similar police agreements with companies dealing with protesters for the state's desalination plant and north-south pipeline.
Mr Bendall said the three police MOUs have been drafted in a "fairly clumsy way" by including broad, overarching clauses that appear to give third parties access to police information.
"We just want to reassure ourselves that it couldn't lead to information either inadvertently or deliberately being handed over," he said.
Why black out parts if all is above board..
If the media was lying or fudging..where was the outrage ,the demand of an apology .
piesman ,you cant say "Im innocent" & then hide the Evidence that would prove it.
Haha someone has seem my thread and decided to act.RECENTLY, I have heard much about low AFL attendance figures from around the country, particularly in Perth, across both of our AFL teams. I began to ask why, and looked at my own experience with my decreasing enthusiasm/concern for the game of Aussie Rules football.
I was once a one-eyed West Coast Eagles supporter. I hated every other team. But then I grew up. I joined the Navy and started travelling the world.
I began to miss the game, and when visiting foreign countries, particularly in Asia, I, along with my mates, would watch whatever game was being televised, no matter who was playing.
Soon I began to appreciate the skills of other players, other coaches and I began to learn more about the game. Soon, I had lost my hatred for other players and teams. I just loved the game.
Then rules began to change, the game was full-time professional with all the media coverage you could poke a stick at as well as social media like Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. It was everywhere, it was too much.
Then the reports came in about players being involved in drugs, with criminals, betting scandals, followed by the constant criticism of the game, the umpires, the unfair fixtures, sexual assault allegations and finally the Essendon vs. the AFL and ASADA saga and all it encompasses.
All this on top of (at least here in WA) issues with seating at Subiaco Oval (now called Patersons Stadium), the price of food, the behaviour and language of some people in the crowd that my 7-year-old is exposed to, the price of food and the time frame of the whole event makes me wonder whether a trip to the park to play is better than a trip to the footy.
Finally, last Friday night, my 7-year-old witnessed two players involved in an altercation (North Melbourne vs. Hawthorn: Brian Lake and Drew Petrie). I thought nothing of it until there was what looked like an eye-gouge followed by a choking grip on a player’s throat.
My son became animated, concerned and questioned why they were allowed to do this, and stated that “this isn’t in the rules Daddy”. He also asked why the umpires didn’t do anything. I’ve got to agree with him there!
All weekend he kept asking and wanting to talk about how bad it was. This impact on my son was the last straw. Both my wife and I discussed AFL as being “dead” to us. The game has changed so much in the last few years it actually resembles Rugby union. But this violence was the nail in the coffin for us.
We are a sporting family and enjoy watching everything from soccer (which with all that happens sometimes is not much better), tennis, netball, basketball and even motor racing. He is a 7-year-old boy after all.
For our family, realising violence has become a way to solve problems in society, do we really want to see it in when we are home enjoying family time? No.
So AFL, you are dead to me. It has been a while coming, but RIP.
Of course I will still watch the “blockbuster” games, but as a sports loving family, we will play the game with our kids in the back yard or at the park — the right way, without the violence, the negativity and the chaos — rather than continue to watch the life be strangled out of the game I once played and loved.
Yeah paralytic all your dreams are coming true - I didn't know you were the captain of a ship - because it sounds like you have both hands on the mast and seaman running everywhere!!! Hahaha yep the fans are deserting in droves!!!!!! It might have more to do that this bloke is a sook who follows West Coast and Freo are bigger than them at the moment! A bit like Melb Storm being bigger than the Eels! Hahaha keep living in your dreams paralytic keep living in your dreams! :_<>ParraEelsNRL wrote:http://www.news.com.au/sport/AFL/mad-af ... 6986530507
Haha someone has seem my thread and decided to act.RECENTLY, I have heard much about low AFL attendance figures from around the country, particularly in Perth, across both of our AFL teams. I began to ask why, and looked at my own experience with my decreasing enthusiasm/concern for the game of Aussie Rules football.
I was once a one-eyed West Coast Eagles supporter. I hated every other team. But then I grew up. I joined the Navy and started travelling the world.
I began to miss the game, and when visiting foreign countries, particularly in Asia, I, along with my mates, would watch whatever game was being televised, no matter who was playing.
Soon I began to appreciate the skills of other players, other coaches and I began to learn more about the game. Soon, I had lost my hatred for other players and teams. I just loved the game.
Then rules began to change, the game was full-time professional with all the media coverage you could poke a stick at as well as social media like Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. It was everywhere, it was too much.
Then the reports came in about players being involved in drugs, with criminals, betting scandals, followed by the constant criticism of the game, the umpires, the unfair fixtures, sexual assault allegations and finally the Essendon vs. the AFL and ASADA saga and all it encompasses.
All this on top of (at least here in WA) issues with seating at Subiaco Oval (now called Patersons Stadium), the price of food, the behaviour and language of some people in the crowd that my 7-year-old is exposed to, the price of food and the time frame of the whole event makes me wonder whether a trip to the park to play is better than a trip to the footy.
Finally, last Friday night, my 7-year-old witnessed two players involved in an altercation (North Melbourne vs. Hawthorn: Brian Lake and Drew Petrie). I thought nothing of it until there was what looked like an eye-gouge followed by a choking grip on a player’s throat.
My son became animated, concerned and questioned why they were allowed to do this, and stated that “this isn’t in the rules Daddy”. He also asked why the umpires didn’t do anything. I’ve got to agree with him there!
All weekend he kept asking and wanting to talk about how bad it was. This impact on my son was the last straw. Both my wife and I discussed AFL as being “dead” to us. The game has changed so much in the last few years it actually resembles Rugby union. But this violence was the nail in the coffin for us.
We are a sporting family and enjoy watching everything from soccer (which with all that happens sometimes is not much better), tennis, netball, basketball and even motor racing. He is a 7-year-old boy after all.
For our family, realising violence has become a way to solve problems in society, do we really want to see it in when we are home enjoying family time? No.
So AFL, you are dead to me. It has been a while coming, but RIP.
Of course I will still watch the “blockbuster” games, but as a sports loving family, we will play the game with our kids in the back yard or at the park — the right way, without the violence, the negativity and the chaos — rather than continue to watch the life be strangled out of the game I once played and loved.
It's all starting to come together, the downfall has started.
Poor comments from both.AFLcrap1 wrote:What is wrong with people associated with this sport.
Umpires talking about ******** chimes..
Some commentator calling a player a Big Poofter for waving .
Disgusting culture.
No worse than leaguepiesman2011 wrote:Poor comments from both.AFLcrap1 wrote:What is wrong with people associated with this sport.
Umpires talking about ******** chimes..
Some commentator calling a player a Big Poofter for waving .
Disgusting culture.
but but butSwans4ever wrote:No worse than leaguepiesman2011 wrote:Poor comments from both.AFLcrap1 wrote:What is wrong with people associated with this sport.
Umpires talking about ******** chimes..
Some commentator calling a player a Big Poofter for waving .
Disgusting culture.
Rex Mossop - made inappropriate comments, Then there's David Morrow and Warren Ryan - Terry Hill. Why do RL Posters try and corner the market on morality on this site???? Regrettable remarks are always happening in both codes!
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Umpires talking about ******** chimes..
Some commentator calling a player a Big Poofter for waving .
Disgusting culture.
Rex Mossop - made inappropriate comments, Then there's David Morrow and Warren Ryan - Terry Hill. Why do RL Posters try and corner the market on morality on this site???? Regrettable remarks are always happening in both codes!
Swans4ever wrote:No worse than leaguepiesman2011 wrote:Poor comments from both.AFLcrap1 wrote:What is wrong with people associated with this sport.
Umpires talking about ******** chimes..
Some commentator calling a player a Big Poofter for waving .
Disgusting culture.
Rex Mossop - made inappropriate comments, Then there's David Morrow and Warren Ryan - Terry Hill. Why do RL Posters try and corner the market on morality on this site???? Regrettable remarks are always happening in both codes!
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