Talking Footy

Swans4ever wrote:

leagueiscrap wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Swans4ever wrote:

ParraEelsNRL wrote:

What?

I think you'll find that Parra have the higher crowds in Sydney you thickhead.

I said Crowd average - Sorry to burst your bubble here Parra but Parra have never had a crowd average as big as the Swans - This year (19k) is the best average for Parra since 1999 (23k) - what your talking about is biggest crowds - Sydney has got comparable crowds but parra has had a bigger crowd (that's if your really going to count the double header game on 6/3/99) when the ANZ stadium opened and it was the start of the NRL season). As a stand only home and away match Swans have it with 74k in 2003, since that crowd we have 7 matches of 50k+ 4 of which is in the 60's) - Parra have had two 50k crowds in its entire history on of which is in 1964 (and NO crowds in their 60's) - but the funniest thing is you have had only two crowds in the 40's - Swans have had 12! So I don't think you wanna be stupid enough to go down that path!!? Swans are far bigger than Parra!

hmmmmm
you forgot to mention Parramattas U20's are watched by more people on TV in Sydney then the swines are though fucktard :_<> :_<> :_<>

I mean seriously
when Parra play to 18K at Pirtek... or 25K at ANZ
theres usually a few more then that watching on TV
400K anyone

but when the SWines play to 30K at the SCG
well
theres not many more then that bothering to watch this bumbling crap on TV in Sydney is there dickhead


the swines have next to no support or interest in Sydney past the 25 to 30K ex pat sthn wankers who attend their games
Parramatta can claim to have ten times this number of people who say they are their team.


it is extraordinary & embarrassing for the Swines
their deluded halfwit fans claim they are the biggest in Sydney
when in fact
they are just about the smallest

if the NRL is watched by all these millions of people, why does this not translate in to support for the clubs
shit revenue, no fans, low sponsorship
the sharks cant even find a major sponsor
yeah millions of fans

Touché Adam Touché!!!!!

Yeah, big enough fools Telstra, Channel 9 and Fox Sports eh?

Oh btw, cheers for the $1.2 billion in Television rights, dumbarses

That's all yah got Paralytic all yah got!!!!!
Crowds no
Memberships no
Sponsorship no
Merchandising no
Total revenue no

2nd rate Yes!

Crowds of over 3 million a year just for the NRL in Australia.
Memberships grown to over 200,000 in 5 years.
More or less the same sponsors across the board as the AFL in differing roles.
Most merchandising sold in the country each year out of all sports.
Total revenue oh I don't know, around 50 mill put away for a rainy day plus whatever else they squeezed out of sponsors and other rights to the game.

Dunno about 2nd rate, I reckon there would be plenty of nations on Earth that would love half of that for their biggest sport.

ParraEelsNRL wrote:

Crowds of over 3 million a year just for the NRL in Australia.
Memberships grown to over 200,000 in 5 years.
More or less the same sponsors across the board as the AFL in differing roles.
Most merchandising sold in the country each year out of all sports.
Total revenue oh I don't know, around 50 mill put away for a rainy day plus whatever else they squeezed out of sponsors and other rights to the game.

Dunno about 2nd rate, I reckon there would be plenty of nations on Earth that would love half of that for their biggest sport.

Crowds at present
AFL - 3881183 NRL - 1796944 = AFL has 2,083,239 more
Membership at present
AFL = 795900 NRL = 245103 AFL has 550797 more members
Sponsorship
AFL easily Wookie put out a table showing so recently which had Collingwood on top - there is also this article
(Although not mentioned Swans have about 14 mil in sponsorship)
http://m.theage.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/col ... hvkum.html
There is this
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/AFL/lan ... 6969358623
For the NRL
Well the Sharks can't even get a major sponsor

He did not detail how much the front-of-jersey agreement was worth but it is believed to be in a similar range to Pirtek's reported $900,000-a-year association with Parramatta.

http://m.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league ... 1xa4j.html
Sydney has 3 million + sponsors

So AFL wins again

Merchandising
Again AFL wins - have seen a reference but can't locate it when I do will post

Revenue
AFL = 446 mil. NRL = 314 mil
AFL profit after record divided to clubs and 87 mil future fund 16.6mil
NRL after slight increase to clubs and no futures fund = 50 mil

Says it all Paralytic - NRL 2nd easily
But don't take my word for it CEO Dave Smith

Wind the clock forward five years and we will be the biggest sporting community in the country.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/f ... -australia
I.E. We're sitting second right now and we would like to be first but I can't see it happening in my lifetime but I have to be optimistic otherwise I'll be out of a job!

Hahaha :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<>

ParraEelsNRL wrote:

Crowds of over 3 million a year just for the NRL in Australia.
Memberships grown to over 200,000 in 5 years.
More or less the same sponsors across the board as the AFL in differing roles.
Most merchandising sold in the country each year out of all sports.
Total revenue oh I don't know, around 50 mill put away for a rainy day plus whatever else they squeezed out of sponsors and other rights to the game.

Dunno about 2nd rate, I reckon there would be plenty of nations on Earth that would love half of that for their biggest sport.

2013 AFL Revenue - 502 million
2013 NRL Revenue - 314 million
2013 AFL Broadcast and AFL Media revenue - 234.8 million
2013 NRL Broadcast and Digital Revenue - 228 million
2013 AFL Non broadcast revenue streams - 268.3 million
2013 NRL non broadcast revenue streams - 90 million
out of the AFL and NRL annual reports

not every club releases annual reports so figures can be collected for sponsorship
but NRL clubs trail by millions in sponsorship
Collingwood - 19.65 million (includes merch.) up from 19.1 million
Geelong - 17.04 million, up from 15.69 million
Essendon - 16.84 million, up from 15.92 million
Hawthorn - 15.22 million, up from 15.08 million

NRL sponsorship
NRL commission Sponsorship 25,726
Penrith 5,428 million
crunulla sharks 4,546 million
if you have any more info so its not that embarrassing
Collingwood and Geelong generate millions through sponsor ship than the whole NRL commission combined

some info on merchandising please because that's BS
i do agree the RL does well in this department due to selling long sleeve rugby jumpers for the winter

Swans4ever wrote:

ParraEelsNRL wrote:

Crowds of over 3 million a year just for the NRL in Australia.
Memberships grown to over 200,000 in 5 years.
More or less the same sponsors across the board as the AFL in differing roles.
Most merchandising sold in the country each year out of all sports.
Total revenue oh I don't know, around 50 mill put away for a rainy day plus whatever else they squeezed out of sponsors and other rights to the game.

Dunno about 2nd rate, I reckon there would be plenty of nations on Earth that would love half of that for their biggest sport.

Crowds at present
AFL - 3881183 NRL - 1796944 = AFL has 2,083,239 more
Membership at present
AFL = 795900 NRL = 245103 AFL has 550797 more members
Sponsorship
AFL easily Wookie put out a table showing so recently which had Collingwood on top - there is also this article
(Although not mentioned Swans have about 14 mil in sponsorship)
http://m.theage.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/col ... hvkum.html
There is this
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/AFL/lan ... 6969358623
For the NRL
Well the Sharks can't even get a major sponsor

He did not detail how much the front-of-jersey agreement was worth but it is believed to be in a similar range to Pirtek's reported $900,000-a-year association with Parramatta.

http://m.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league ... 1xa4j.html
Sydney has 3 million + sponsors

So AFL wins again

Merchandising
Again AFL wins - have seen a reference but can't locate it when I do will post

Revenue
AFL = 446 mil. NRL = 314 mil
AFL profit after record divided to clubs and 87 mil future fund 16.6mil
NRL after slight increase to clubs and no futures fund = 50 mil

Says it all Paralytic - NRL 2nd easily
But don't take my word for it CEO Dave Smith

Wind the clock forward five years and we will be the biggest sporting community in the country.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/f ... -australia
I.E. We're sitting second right now and we would like to be first but I can't see it happening in my lifetime but I have to be optimistic otherwise I'll be out of a job!

Hahaha :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<>

Who cares, RL is just getting it shop in order now while your lot is going down hill, we caught halfway up in one TV rights deal after all the Super League crap was finally buried.

Suck it up princess cause the next lot of talks is going to really hurt, you'll see as your game is left behind while the other codes expand into places you and your lot could only dream.

You have 4 states in Aus, no problem, the 3 other codes will just chip away and slowly take what they want from these smaller less relevant states whilst still expanding around the Asia pacific region.

That's what you have to look forward too.

Enjoy your local oddity whilst you can!

Btw, I want that link to merchandising too, because I know you can't supply it cause it's bullshit that you made up.

ParraEelsNRL wrote:

Swans4ever wrote:

ParraEelsNRL wrote:

Crowds of over 3 million a year just for the NRL in Australia.
Memberships grown to over 200,000 in 5 years.
More or less the same sponsors across the board as the AFL in differing roles.
Most merchandising sold in the country each year out of all sports.
Total revenue oh I don't know, around 50 mill put away for a rainy day plus whatever else they squeezed out of sponsors and other rights to the game.

Dunno about 2nd rate, I reckon there would be plenty of nations on Earth that would love half of that for their biggest sport.

Crowds at present
AFL - 3881183 NRL - 1796944 = AFL has 2,083,239 more
Membership at present
AFL = 795900 NRL = 245103 AFL has 550797 more members
Sponsorship
AFL easily Wookie put out a table showing so recently which had Collingwood on top - there is also this article
(Although not mentioned Swans have about 14 mil in sponsorship)
http://m.theage.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/col ... hvkum.html
There is this
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/AFL/lan ... 6969358623
For the NRL
Well the Sharks can't even get a major sponsor

He did not detail how much the front-of-jersey agreement was worth but it is believed to be in a similar range to Pirtek's reported $900,000-a-year association with Parramatta.

http://m.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league ... 1xa4j.html
Sydney has 3 million + sponsors

So AFL wins again

Merchandising
Again AFL wins - have seen a reference but can't locate it when I do will post

Revenue
AFL = 446 mil. NRL = 314 mil
AFL profit after record divided to clubs and 87 mil future fund 16.6mil
NRL after slight increase to clubs and no futures fund = 50 mil

Says it all Paralytic - NRL 2nd easily
But don't take my word for it CEO Dave Smith

Wind the clock forward five years and we will be the biggest sporting community in the country.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/f ... -australia
I.E. We're sitting second right now and we would like to be first but I can't see it happening in my lifetime but I have to be optimistic otherwise I'll be out of a job!

Hahaha :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<>

Who cares, RL is just getting it shop in order now while your lot is going down hill, we caught halfway up in one TV rights deal after all the Super League crap was finally buried.

Suck it up princess cause the next lot of talks is going to really hurt, you'll see as your game is left behind while the other codes expand into places you and your lot could only dream.

You have 4 states in Aus, no problem, the 3 other codes will just chip away and slowly take what they want from these smaller less relevant states whilst still expanding around the Asia pacific region.

That's what you have to look forward too.

Enjoy your local oddity whilst you can!

That sounds like sour grapes there paralytic - considering there are 28k registered players in NSW alone and RL has only 10k in total outside NSW/QLD in Australia - that soccer is fast becoming number one in NSW - I'd be more worried that it is RL on the slide - BTW with fast streaming and advances in technology - how long do you think either code is going to be getting big dollars from TV deals?????? When it disappears crowds membership etc will be what keeps things ticking over - RL just doesn't have the local support or national exposure to survive if the guts falls out of TV rights! AFL does!

ParraEelsNRL wrote:

Btw, I want that link to merchandising too, because I know you can't supply it cause it's bullshit that you made up.

i didnt make up anything about the merchandise you claim the NRL sells the most in Australia, so can you get a link and prove it

ParraEelsNRL wrote:

Swans4ever wrote:

ParraEelsNRL wrote:

Crowds of over 3 million a year just for the NRL in Australia.
Memberships grown to over 200,000 in 5 years.
More or less the same sponsors across the board as the AFL in differing roles.
Most merchandising sold in the country each year out of all sports.
Total revenue oh I don't know, around 50 mill put away for a rainy day plus whatever else they squeezed out of sponsors and other rights to the game.

Dunno about 2nd rate, I reckon there would be plenty of nations on Earth that would love half of that for their biggest sport.

Crowds at present
AFL - 3881183 NRL - 1796944 = AFL has 2,083,239 more
Membership at present
AFL = 795900 NRL = 245103 AFL has 550797 more members
Sponsorship
AFL easily Wookie put out a table showing so recently which had Collingwood on top - there is also this article
(Although not mentioned Swans have about 14 mil in sponsorship)
http://m.theage.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/col ... hvkum.html
There is this
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/AFL/lan ... 6969358623
For the NRL
Well the Sharks can't even get a major sponsor

He did not detail how much the front-of-jersey agreement was worth but it is believed to be in a similar range to Pirtek's reported $900,000-a-year association with Parramatta.

http://m.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league ... 1xa4j.html
Sydney has 3 million + sponsors

So AFL wins again

Merchandising
Again AFL wins - have seen a reference but can't locate it when I do will post

Revenue
AFL = 446 mil. NRL = 314 mil
AFL profit after record divided to clubs and 87 mil future fund 16.6mil
NRL after slight increase to clubs and no futures fund = 50 mil

Says it all Paralytic - NRL 2nd easily
But don't take my word for it CEO Dave Smith

Wind the clock forward five years and we will be the biggest sporting community in the country.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/f ... -australia
I.E. We're sitting second right now and we would like to be first but I can't see it happening in my lifetime but I have to be optimistic otherwise I'll be out of a job!

Hahaha :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<>

Who cares, RL is just getting it shop in order now while your lot is going down hill, we caught halfway up in one TV rights deal after all the Super League crap was finally buried.

Suck it up princess cause the next lot of talks is going to really hurt, you'll see as your game is left behind while the other codes expand into places you and your lot could only dream.

You have 4 states in Aus, no problem, the 3 other codes will just chip away and slowly take what they want from these smaller less relevant states whilst still expanding around the Asia pacific region.

That's what you have to look forward too.

Enjoy your local oddity whilst you can!

sour grapes
AFL is expanding and growing
NRL no expansion and declining
what was it 40% of the broad cast deal is because of SOO , in an article that was posted several months ago.

the NRL a glorified amateur shit show the NRL, pathetic crowds, that have barely grown since the 1957 since they started recording crowds
1957 10100
2013 15940
http://stats.rleague.com/rl/crowds/summary.html

the only reason why NRL is big on tv is because of packer pinching off the ABC and Murdoch going up against him it with the super league crap. the NRL will continue to grow but at the snails pace it always has,
its non broad cast revenue is crap 90 million 19million of that comes out of SOO
compared to the AFL 268.3 million

the clubs survive off its poke revenue from its leagues clubs & celebrity owners who pump million in to them then get sick of it & sell them off. thats even on the pissy little revenue needed to run a NRL club which approxx half of what is an AFL club

the AFL has buit it self up from the ground and expanded every year,
the NRL is still just a glorified amateur competition

ParraEelsNRL wrote:

Swans4ever wrote:

ParraEelsNRL wrote:

Crowds of over 3 million a year just for the NRL in Australia.
Memberships grown to over 200,000 in 5 years.
More or less the same sponsors across the board as the AFL in differing roles.
Most merchandising sold in the country each year out of all sports.
Total revenue oh I don't know, around 50 mill put away for a rainy day plus whatever else they squeezed out of sponsors and other rights to the game.

Dunno about 2nd rate, I reckon there would be plenty of nations on Earth that would love half of that for their biggest sport.

Crowds at present
AFL - 3881183 NRL - 1796944 = AFL has 2,083,239 more
Membership at present
AFL = 795900 NRL = 245103 AFL has 550797 more members
Sponsorship
AFL easily Wookie put out a table showing so recently which had Collingwood on top - there is also this article
(Although not mentioned Swans have about 14 mil in sponsorship)
http://m.theage.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/col ... hvkum.html
There is this
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/AFL/lan ... 6969358623
For the NRL
Well the Sharks can't even get a major sponsor

He did not detail how much the front-of-jersey agreement was worth but it is believed to be in a similar range to Pirtek's reported $900,000-a-year association with Parramatta.

http://m.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league ... 1xa4j.html
Sydney has 3 million + sponsors

So AFL wins again

Merchandising
Again AFL wins - have seen a reference but can't locate it when I do will post

Revenue
AFL = 446 mil. NRL = 314 mil
AFL profit after record divided to clubs and 87 mil future fund 16.6mil
NRL after slight increase to clubs and no futures fund = 50 mil

Says it all Paralytic - NRL 2nd easily
But don't take my word for it CEO Dave Smith

Wind the clock forward five years and we will be the biggest sporting community in the country.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/f ... -australia
I.E. We're sitting second right now and we would like to be first but I can't see it happening in my lifetime but I have to be optimistic otherwise I'll be out of a job!

Hahaha :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<>

Who cares, RL is just getting it shop in order now while your lot is going down hill, we caught halfway up in one TV rights deal after all the Super League crap was finally buried.

Suck it up princess cause the next lot of talks is going to really hurt, you'll see as your game is left behind while the other codes expand into places you and your lot could only dream.

You have 4 states in Aus, no problem, the 3 other codes will just chip away and slowly take what they want from these smaller less relevant states whilst still expanding around the Asia pacific region.

That's what you have to look forward too.

Enjoy your local oddity whilst you can!

soccer might be expanding in to new places, but the nrl sure as hell isn't

you've had 100 yrs or so to "get your shop in order" and we have seen very minimal improvement

Yeah that's why we have a WA team in the NSW cup, we have a PNG side in the Qld cup, we have a Central Coast side in the NSW cup and from next year, we will have a Fijian side in the NSW cup.

If the NRL isn't getting ready for expansion, I'm not fucking here.

ParraEelsNRL wrote:

Yeah that's why we have a WA team in the NSW cup, we have a PNG side in the Qld cup, we have a Central Coast side in the NSW cup and from next year, we will have a Fijian side in the NSW cup.

If the NRL isn't getting ready for expansion, I'm not fucking here.

Then expect a dip in crowds!

I doubt they would dip... They would be base line now I would think . If you used a median as the average what would it be?