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Firstly, there is an element of confirmation bias. Secondly, AFL has invested in grassroots better than NRL, I've said many times that if NRL had AFL management crowds would be 20k+ by now and every GF rating 4milion+. But it's only recently, i.e. this year, started to improve slightly in SOME areas through the independent management. Thirdly, a large source of league players is from union: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union ... 2u5bk.htmlPhelpsy wrote:The difference is, in Victoria rl participation is very low. Most other sports would be bigger. Soccer obviously, but baseball, hockey, basketball, tennis ... Basically think of any main stream sport, would be bigger and could be played at a senior or junior level across the whole state with leagues on each region, area. Rl however has very little representation with there being one leauge of a few clubs covering Melbourne Metro and Geelong ... A very large geographical area. Whereas you look at AFL in Sydney alone and they have 5 leagues alone. That is where the difference is I think. Is it the main game, no way by a long shot; does it have a good presence across grass roots and a niche market .. Definitely. Storm too have a niche market in Victoria but the grass roots presence of rl is so small, that it is well down the pecking order and really not even in the minor sports category. You want go driving around Melbourne seeing junior rl being played too much or even casually in a park . I had never seen it. Soccer ... All the time, AFL obviously, basketball all the time, tennis .. Yep. Whereas you drive around the Gold Coast and you see AFL ovals everywhere, AFL posts in a lot of schools ... And also hybrid posts of league and AFL.. People playing AFL and union/league in parks beaches etc.
Well argue against this stat then.pHyR3 wrote:As for grassroot support, I know tonnes of people who play soccer and follow league. Similarly, many people play or played union and follow league, including myself. Talking to people who grew up in 'rugby union heartland' in sydney, they know little of union except the rugby world cup and the occasional bledisloe.
And again, you AFL supporters invalidate any stat i provide that supports nrl. dunno why i even bother.
Except for Sydney where junior soccer dominates like AFL in Melbourne.Swans4ever wrote:I think that amount of junior soccer clubs would be similar Australia wide
No, because your product is different.pHyR3 wrote:I've said many times that if NRL had AFL management crowds would be 20k+ by now and every GF rating 4milion+.
Right, so grassroot development, good rules, movement to large stadia, advertising and marketing have 0 impact on crowds. Ok.cos789 wrote:No, because your product is different.pHyR3 wrote:I've said many times that if NRL had AFL management crowds would be 20k+ by now and every GF rating 4milion+.
People don't follow a sport becuase it's well managed
though they will jump ship if it is mis managed.
I didn't say that did I.pHyR3 wrote:Right, so grassroot development, good rules, movement to large stadia, advertising and marketing have 0 impact on crowds. Ok.cos789 wrote:No, because your product is different.pHyR3 wrote:I've said many times that if NRL had AFL management crowds would be 20k+ by now and every GF rating 4milion+.
People don't follow a sport becuase it's well managed
though they will jump ship if it is mis managed.
Okay, grassroots development needs to be better invested in the richer areas of Sydney, Brisbane, Victoria and Perth. And NZ south island too. More money basically, more effort and more effective strategies that attract kids.cos789 wrote:I didn't say that did I.pHyR3 wrote:Right, so grassroot development, good rules, movement to large stadia, advertising and marketing have 0 impact on crowds. Ok.cos789 wrote:No, because your product is different.pHyR3 wrote:I've said many times that if NRL had AFL management crowds would be 20k+ by now and every GF rating 4milion+.
People don't follow a sport becuase it's well managed
though they will jump ship if it is mis managed.
If a sport is well managed it will achive a certain level if not then a lower level.
Or tink of it this way - a well managed AFL will always achieve higher KPIs than a well managed nrl.
But in particular.
What grassroots development is going to the scenario in rl "heartlands"?
Moving to large empty stadia has proven to be a total embarassment for rl.
RL already receive saturation adverting and marketing.
Rules of rl are minimal so tweaking is not going produce huge changes.
Swans4ever wrote:A-League got 17 1/2 k average over weekend - which puts them ahead of RL, will they finish with a higher crowd average?
grassroots is where the kids pick most of their interest in sports, teams they follow & then chooses weather they wants to play it or be involved in it. the last 10, 15 years the AFL has invested heavily in junior programs to attract new interest. especially in QLD.pHyR3 wrote:Right, so grassroot development, good rules, movement to large stadia, advertising and marketing have 0 impact on crowds. Ok.cos789 wrote:No, because your product is different.pHyR3 wrote:I've said many times that if NRL had AFL management crowds would be 20k+ by now and every GF rating 4milion+.
People don't follow a sport becuase it's well managed
though they will jump ship if it is mis managed.