Are GWS getting worse? Are they toxic for footy in west syd?

[piesman2011]

GWS will be good they just need 2 years. Its funny that only the people who don't like the sport (and KE) are talking doom. KE has been wrong on port, Brisbane and Gold Coast. He is wrong on GWS as well in the medium term. Patience.
Western Sydney long term will be a good investment. Outside of Melbourne it is one of the fastest growing areas in the land.

[Drac]

1) as the only GWS member on these boards .

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this is what I've been saying folks

they are like religious zealots these clowns
why the FARK would a singlet wearing halfwit from SA .... buy a membership to a team from Western Sydney
I can understand bearsy being one to an extent ... but this is just queer as folks

I have said many times that the midgets have very few members in western Sydney itself ... & most are many many sthn bible belt ... evangelical disciples of the bumbling & fumbling from the heartland
these massively insecure wankers are so desperate for their silly little sport to succeed anywhere north of the murray ... they buy memberships to help try & balance a near Billion dollar business's books .. in the VFL
failure would have this lot slitting their wrists in ritual suicide

would you EVER find a Dragons .. eels .. or Tigers fan buying a membership to the Storm
of course not they aren't fuckwits

cultists this lot are
they are not followers of a sport .... but members of a cult
it is one of the most weird .... & pathetic things one will ever see

I hope this never changes. You think the loyalty, the evangelising, and the commitment of AFL fans is a negative? lol, no wonder your only expansion club can't outdraw a single AFL club in the same city.

it reeks of desperation
its sad
its pathetic

we don't crave acceptance...... & validation
we know our sport is sensational & don't give a fuck if others don't agree with us about it
but
I actually think you lot have massive doubts about yours
I mean
If it were any good this cultist behaviour would not be required .........

And this is why you'll always be the second fiddle.

[Fred]

So why Dave do you constantly come on this site and blindly bag the AFL despite the facts of crowd numbers, media coverage, membership numbers etc if you don't care what people think of the nrl? You're constantly trying to boost the nrl around these things despite how poorly the nrl are doing with such kpi's being poor. If that's not cultist I don't know what is. Most nrl fans acknowledge the poor crowds but not you.

[King-Eliagh]

The msg here folks is not so much impending doom, though we know you must fear it. No it's more on the ridiculously poor management and strategy of those down at AFL hq. gws are not only toxic in western syd, they're lowering crowds and the comp down in melb also. Yes that's right folks the one thing that makes u boys cream ur panties is being reduced by this debacle of a footy team.

Drac says theres a precedent with the AFL and devp. Sorry but i dont recall the last time any pro sports org in aus decided to herd 30 odd teenagers in a city to which marngrook is largely foreign and together in a club based a stones throw from an established team that was to become premiers.

Yes those dumb ones of us will say oh we need patience and give it some years. Well if u give this 10 20 30 years and billions of bucks of course the team will end up playing football. But what a dumb waste of dosh in the meantime. What a dumb way to engage people who actually live in the place the team is named after but not based in. What a way to lower the standard of the comp and crowd interest.

Stuffing the truth down gobs of ignorant AFL tf members since 04
Yours,
KE

[214Four]

Personally, I think they're a highly toxic experiment. A waste of squillions of dollars, enough to bring several third world nations out of poverty.

What do you guys think the AFL should do?

Warmest regards,
King

Just read through all the comments in this thread because i think this is a very interesting topic. KE has been blasted by the AFL fans in here for starting this thread and his thoughts but i agree that there has been an increase in 'toxicity' around GWS.

Although the AFL have stated that GWS is along term (30+year) plan, they would be concerned that GWS are not progessing (in terms of performance, supporters, interest, media coverage etc) and would be below the AFL's expectations for GWS when setting up this franchise.

Need to look at this like an investment in a business for retirement. In the first two years the business has gone over budget whilst not reaching the yearly forcasts. would you just ignore it because you went into this business with a 30 year plan or would you be concerned, obviously you probably wouldnt jump ship straight away but only a fool would stay till the end if it didnt improve.

Admit it or dont but the AFL did mislead the southerners when convincing them that a team in greater western sydney was needed. When the AFL decided expansion to GC and WS, alot of supporters were frustrated at their choice and the AFL needed to persuade its southern fans that that GWS and GC would be successfull. The AFL bosses understood most AFL fans and most media in the south just believe what the AFL tells them. So VIC etc etc had newspapers reporting with misleading ' huge participation' figures for NSW and QLD and often TV and radio coverage reporting on GWS's popularity in the news in sydney.

The AFL went into western Sydney for one prime reason $$$ and unfortuneatly i think the same thing that attracted them here will be their downfall. Expansion to these areas was all about how much the AFL could get from TV and advertising etc... GC and WS do not have the supporters to justify a team nor do they have any real increase aswell. remember AFL in western Sydney is not new, there has been AFL clubs and competitions in western sydney for decades and it has been stagnate for most of that time (there was only small increases strangly during the same periods NSW had high interstate migration from VIC,SA,TAS).

when the AFL were negiotiating there last TV deal, the promise of two new expansions teams, one based in the 3rd biggest economy in OZ (WS), both regions with a total population of roughly 3.2 million would have been very attractive to the buyers.

Now looking at how unpopular GWS are atm, and with the very poor tv viewers in NSW for this team (the swans too and also others but this post is not about them) will no doubt have a negative impact on the AFL during the next tv deal (a tv channel will ask for less money if they are required to play all gws's games live on fta due to their loss of income from poor audience). Less income from tv will be negative/toxic for the AFL as a whole.

The GWS brand i feel had issues from the start and has always been somewhat toxic here in NSW. the descisions made by the AFL early in the branding of GWS were very ignorant of the area GWS were suppose to represent and abit idiotic at times. unfortunately the people in charge of GWS were too Victorian centric and somewhat still are. down south AFL dominates all others by a long shot and the media therefore are less likely to question the AFL's directions and/or discissions down there.

GWS were 'the new guys on the block' and instead of playing it quiet and respectful as their place at the bottom of the pecking order requires (like the swans did when they came to syd), instead GWS entered the market big noting themselfs and promoting themselfs anyway they could. GWS acted just like an AFL team would act in Victoria or any other AFL dominate market. unfortunately its not the same up here.

I lost count of how many times AFL fans would say "all publicity is good publicity" and "this is free advertising for the AFL", comments like those showed how little the AFL community actually knew about Western Sydney/NSW and it also had a negative impact towards the GWS brand.

The GWS brand itself will soon become completely toxic if the club doesnt start performing, and sadly its not the current players fault, they are mostly young amarteur boys that were forced into the team and then expected to play against professionals.

If the AFL and its fans think that the GWS brand will not and can not become toxic than they are in utter denial. I mean toxic when not just Sydneysiders or potential fans stear clear but more importantly for the survival of the club Businesses, Sponsers and Corporate package companies will avoid them too if the GWS brand gets much worse. No one likes a looser, and specially a pathetic one. what business would want to be associated with a brand that is known for being the worst team in australia? or the brand that cant succeed?

Also unlike the start of last year and in 2011 the Sydney media has now caught on at how little sydneysiders are actually interested in this team so media interest is currently at the bare minimum, last two week i have not seen a thing on them in the news, admittadly i may not watch a whole news segment, but i have seen large parts of many different news broadcasts and i did see some news on the swans (like one news reader talking about adam goodes and his leg) but NOTHING on GWS. Nothing on how or who they played last weeked, goodes's leg got more airplay then GWS. this could also show evidence of 'toxicity' brewing lol.

[Drac]

The msg here folks is not so much impending doom, though we know you must fear it. No it's more on the ridiculously poor management and strategy of those down at AFL hq. gws are not only toxic in western syd, they're lowering crowds and the comp down in melb also. Yes that's right folks the one thing that makes u boys cream ur panties is being reduced by this debacle of a footy team.

Drac says theres a precedent with the AFL and devp. Sorry but i dont recall the last time any pro sports org in aus decided to herd 30 odd teenagers in a city to which marngrook is largely foreign and together in a club based a stones throw from an established team that was to become premiers.

Yes those dumb ones of us will say oh we need patience and give it some years. Well if u give this 10 20 30 years and billions of bucks of course the team will end up playing football. But what a dumb waste of dosh in the meantime. What a dumb way to engage people who actually live in the place the team is named after but not based in. What a way to lower the standard of the comp and crowd interest.

Stuffing the truth down gobs of ignorant AFL tf members since 04
Yours,
KE

GWS have a decent membership base. They have sponsorships that would be the envy of most nRL teams in Sydney )http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 6209574532), a $20 million deal with the ACT govt to play games in Canberra, they reap the $$ from the naming rights to Manuka Oval and Skoda Stadium. They aren't the financial burden you all hope they are.

South Sydney play out of ANZ. Canterburry play at ANZ. Are these clubs worse off for not playing out of their geographical areas?

GWS' away crowd average has risen this year over last year, but don't let basic facts get in your way. They average an away crowd of 22k, which is higher than every single nRL side bar the Rabbits. Despite their lack of wins and many thrashings, they're an improved side with lots of exciting young talent. Fans from other clubs will want to see them more and more as they improve (just look at Gold coast, whose away crowd average has risen from 21k to 24k, and will only continue to rise as they push towards the eight).

Again, where you see a waste, we see an investment. Time will tell who is right.

[Drac]

Personally, I think they're a highly toxic experiment. A waste of squillions of dollars, enough to bring several third world nations out of poverty.

What do you guys think the AFL should do?

Warmest regards,
King

Just read through all the comments in this thread because i think this is a very interesting topic. KE has been blasted by the AFL fans in here for starting this thread and his thoughts but i agree that there has been an increase in 'toxicity' around GWS.

Although the AFL have stated that GWS is along term (30+year) plan, they would be concerned that GWS are not progessing (in terms of performance, supporters, interest, media coverage etc) and would be below the AFL's expectations for GWS when setting up this franchise.

Need to look at this like an investment in a business for retirement. In the first two years the business has gone over budget whilst not reaching the yearly forcasts. would you just ignore it because you went into this business with a 30 year plan or would you be concerned, obviously you probably wouldnt jump ship straight away but only a fool would stay till the end if it didnt improve.

Admit it or dont but the AFL did mislead the southerners when convincing them that a team in greater western sydney was needed. When the AFL decided expansion to GC and WS, alot of supporters were frustrated at their choice and the AFL needed to persuade its southern fans that that GWS and GC would be successfull. The AFL bosses understood most AFL fans and most media in the south just believe what the AFL tells them. So VIC etc etc had newspapers reporting with misleading ' huge participation' figures for NSW and QLD and often TV and radio coverage reporting on GWS's popularity in the news in sydney.

The AFL went into western Sydney for one prime reason $$$ and unfortuneatly i think the same thing that attracted them here will be their downfall. Expansion to these areas was all about how much the AFL could get from TV and advertising etc... GC and WS do not have the supporters to justify a team nor do they have any real increase aswell. remember AFL in western Sydney is not new, there has been AFL clubs and competitions in western sydney for decades and it has been stagnate for most of that time (there was only small increases strangly during the same periods NSW had high interstate migration from VIC,SA,TAS).

when the AFL were negiotiating there last TV deal, the promise of two new expansions teams, one based in the 3rd biggest economy in OZ (WS), both regions with a total population of roughly 3.2 million would have been very attractive to the buyers.

Now looking at how unpopular GWS are atm, and with the very poor tv viewers in NSW for this team (the swans too and also others but this post is not about them) will no doubt have a negative impact on the AFL during the next tv deal (a tv channel will ask for less money if they are required to play all gws's games live on fta due to their loss of income from poor audience). Less income from tv will be negative/toxic for the AFL as a whole.

The GWS brand i feel had issues from the start and has always been somewhat toxic here in NSW. the descisions made by the AFL early in the branding of GWS were very ignorant of the area GWS were suppose to represent and abit idiotic at times. unfortunately the people in charge of GWS were too Victorian centric and somewhat still are. down south AFL dominates all others by a long shot and the media therefore are less likely to question the AFL's directions and/or discissions down there.

GWS were 'the new guys on the block' and instead of playing it quiet and respectful as their place at the bottom of the pecking order requires (like the swans did when they came to syd), instead GWS entered the market big noting themselfs and promoting themselfs anyway they could. GWS acted just like an AFL team would act in Victoria or any other AFL dominate market. unfortunately its not the same up here.

I lost count of how many times AFL fans would say "all publicity is good publicity" and "this is free advertising for the AFL", comments like those showed how little the AFL community actually knew about Western Sydney/NSW and it also had a negative impact towards the GWS brand.

The GWS brand itself will soon become completely toxic if the club doesnt start performing, and sadly its not the current players fault, they are mostly young amarteur boys that were forced into the team and then expected to play against professionals.

If the AFL and its fans think that the GWS brand will not and can not become toxic than they are in utter denial. I mean toxic when not just Sydneysiders or potential fans stear clear but more importantly for the survival of the club Businesses, Sponsers and Corporate package companies will avoid them too if the GWS brand gets much worse. No one likes a looser, and specially a pathetic one. what business would want to be associated with a brand that is known for being the worst team in australia? or the brand that cant succeed?

Also unlike the start of last year and in 2011 the Sydney media has now caught on at how little sydneysiders are actually interested in this team so media interest is currently at the bare minimum, last two week i have not seen a thing on them in the news, admittadly i may not watch a whole news segment, but i have seen large parts of many different news broadcasts and i did see some news on the swans (like one news reader talking about adam goodes and his leg) but NOTHING on GWS. Nothing on how or who they played last weeked, goodes's leg got more airplay then GWS. this could also show evidence of 'toxicity' brewing lol.

Lots of challenges ahead, no doubt. Izzy (even negative stories) provided a weekly media presence that is now sorely lacking. A big signing like Buddy will go some way to alieviating this, but the biggest thing the club can do to increase media exposure and crowds is to start winning games. Unfortunateley this is at least a year away from happening.

[Fred]

Mark Thompson said last night that we should be happy about the giants losses now as they are going to be thumping teams in the near future... When asked if he really believed this he said without a doubt

[adamj1300]

The msg here folks is not so much impending doom, though we know you must fear it. No it's more on the ridiculously poor management and strategy of those down at AFL hq. gws are not only toxic in western syd, they're lowering crowds and the comp down in melb also. Yes that's right folks the one thing that makes u boys cream ur panties is being reduced by this debacle of a footy team.

Drac says theres a precedent with the AFL and devp. Sorry but i dont recall the last time any pro sports org in aus decided to herd 30 odd teenagers in a city to which marngrook is largely foreign and together in a club based a stones throw from an established team that was to become premiers.

Yes those dumb ones of us will say oh we need patience and give it some years. Well if u give this 10 20 30 years and billions of bucks of course the team will end up playing football. But what a dumb waste of dosh in the meantime. What a dumb way to engage people who actually live in the place the team is named after but not based in. What a way to lower the standard of the comp and crowd interest.

Stuffing the truth down gobs of ignorant AFL tf members since 04
Yours,
KE

after another week if dismal crowds in the nrl, you can justify commenting on how the GWS lack of support, when ofher team of western sydney, penrith, wests tigers, Parramatta arn't attracting much more, after having been established for 60 plus years, in League homeland?

it has taken 3 years the the GC suns to start clicking and becoming a half decent team from being thumped each week to actually starting to win some games, not saying the GWS giants are not going to be world beaters, but they will improve. as for the off field, they are a team that have been built up from scratch & dumped in RL heart land, their a long term proposition, not something that will have instant success.

[King-Eliagh]

GWS will be good they just need 2 years. Its funny that only the people who don't like the sport (and KE) are talking doom. KE has been wrong on port, Brisbane and Gold Coast. He is wrong on GWS as well in the medium term. Patience.
Western Sydney long term will be a good investment. Outside of Melbourne it is one of the fastest growing areas in the land.

I've been wrong on brissie and the gc? Ahh hmm allow me to compare. At round 13 of both the nrl and AFL comps brissie is one win behind the eels and the gc is even with them

Only diff is brissie and the gc have suffered more embarrassing hidings and have the opportunity to play basketcases like themselves melbs gws and the western bulldogs ! :_<> nice try pies

Port I concede, they're pretty shithouse but no longer basketcases.

[Fred]

GC have beaten north and st kilda . But KQ's reckoning the GC are not basket cases .. In fact GC are going quite well. The have a very strong core base of supporters , they make profits due to management rights to stadium, they have good membership, they get good media coverage. They have improved on fried performance and will only get better ... They are two games out of the eight and have a good run home so will have a few more wins possibly. All this despite a massive injury list . The lions have a very strong supporter base, have beaten two top 4 sides ... Get plenty of media coverage ... Both these teams in a nrl dominant market place ... Doing very very well

[Drac]

GC have beaten north and st kilda . But KQ's reckoning the GC are not basket cases .. In fact GC are going quite well. The have a very strong core base of supporters , they make profits due to management rights to stadium, they have good membership, they get good media coverage. They have improved on fried performance and will only get better ... They are two games out of the eight and have a good run home so will have a few more wins possibly. All this despite a massive injury list . The lions have a very strong supporter base, have beaten two top 4 sides ... Get plenty of media coverage ... Both these teams in a nrl dominant market place ... Doing very very well

They just landed the Big Day Out too. Ca-ching!

[King-Eliagh]

Thanks for all that dribble there phelps, it was, well not really amusing except for your one and only comment that referred to what I'm talking about "they've improved on fried performance"

Yes on field performance and only on field performance is what defines a basketcase. It pains me to say it but my beloved eels are pretty much the one and only basketcase side in the nrl. There's 5 inthe AFL and gc and brissie are comparably worse than the eels in terms of performance this yr. and that's tha fact! :D

I'm sooo right right now

[Fred]

By your own definition idiot suns and lions are not basket case sides lol. You're like a cat chasing its tail !!! Changing your definitions so you can troll !!! Funny little man you are some amusement value I admit. Now go get the players there oranges little man

[Drac]

Thanks for all that dribble there phelps, it was, well not really amusing except for your one and only comment that referred to what I'm talking about "they've improved on fried performance"

Yes on field performance and only on field performance is what defines a basketcase. It pains me to say it but my beloved eels are pretty much the one and only basketcase side in the nrl. There's 5 inthe AFL and gc and brissie are comparably worse than the eels in terms of performance this yr. and that's tha fact! :D

I'm sooo right right now

There are plenty of basket cases in the nRL, but for 6 weeks while their superior opponents sacrifice their best players to origin, these gronk sides (Panthers, Eels, Tigers) get an unfair advantage which helps hide their basketcasedness.