Talking Footy

NSWAFL wrote:

What he said. There's another BS point, for Dave this time.

I think tanking will be unprovable for both sides. It's pretty subjective.

Yeah. The media loves to play epic fail at comprehension games for a cheap headline. I think it's part of a campaign to get rid of priority draft picks.

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

It shows the AFL is a higher scoring game where the team that plays better has a greater chance of winning.

RL is a low scoring game, where a team can win by a stroke of luck or a poor ref call.

I know which I'd prefer.

its a bet for a win
not a points spread or points margin .. you flog

the bookies are in no doubt in the AFL .. its a snorefest
they have no such certainty in the NRL
its a lottery

Lol

Went straight over your head.

Lower scoring games will always involve more upsets because one fluke or poor decision or ref decision can have a game changing impact.

Like soccer. One team dominates the game but fails to score because it's so hard. The other team flukes one from half way down the pitch and win. Who was the better team for the game? Not the fluky one that for sure.

Higher scoring games ensure the better team usually wins. They are more likely to capitalize on their overall better play around the ground.

AFL has upsets, but not from flukes or poor ref decisions. That's the way I prefer it.

Well said.

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

NSWAFL wrote:

That's not tanking that Aker is talking about. That's experimentation. He was probably paid to say that to be controversial like he usually is. To call it tanking is an epic fail of comprehension.

experimentation ....... ...............

you are an F wit

Tanking ... Rife in the AFL

a dirty seedy sport

Rubbish!

What happens in AFL is that teams prioritize the development of junior players over winning the game when it is clear they cannot make the finals. I for one would prefer a different draft system that did not benefit teams so much when the finish last or nearer the bottom of the ladder.

There is no such thing as deliberately playing poorly to lose.

It's a media beat up.

rubbish

AFL teams dog it when their season is ova to get the best picks for the following year
they run dead
its a horrid system ... that encourages it

more proof of the gulibility & lack of intelligence of AFL fans that they believe it doesn't occur
I don't blame the AFL clubs , they are business's trying to get a competitive edge & the system rewards the lowest ranked sides first in a draft system
the NRL flicked the draft
& .while our trading system is far from perfect

its doesn't have tanking .. so its a lot better

I cannot see any explanation for the thread title.
Where is the computation for 3 times , just for starters.
How come no average season has been submitted.
Putting that heading on one round is pretty pathetic.
One for bs file IMO.

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

experimentation ....... ...............

you are an F wit

Tanking ... Rife in the AFL

a dirty seedy sport

Rubbish!

What happens in AFL is that teams prioritize the development of junior players over winning the game when it is clear they cannot make the finals. I for one would prefer a different draft system that did not benefit teams so much when the finish last or nearer the bottom of the ladder.

There is no such thing as deliberately playing poorly to lose.

It's a media beat up.

rubbish

AFL teams dog it when their season is ova to get the best picks for the following year
they run dead
its a horrid system ... that encourages it

more proof of the gulibility & lack of intelligence of AFL fans that they believe it doesn't occur
I don't blame the AFL clubs , they are business's trying to get a competitive edge & the system rewards the lowest ranked sides first in a draft system
the NRL flicked the draft
& .while our trading system is far from perfect

its doesn't have tanking .. so its a lot better

I agree with you that the system isnt perfect.

However I have seen too many examples of teams winning when they would have benefited significantly if they lost.

There is no way the players in a team would jeopardise their careers by playing poorly on purpose.

Its a media beat up for suckers like you.

cos789 wrote:

I cannot see any explanation for the thread title.
Where is the computation for 3 times , just for starters.
How come no average season has been submitted.
Putting that heading on one round is pretty pathetic.
One for bs file IMO.

even the AFL agrees with me
http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/08/08/mo ... -says-AFL/

More lopsided results likely, says AFL
By Guy Hand, 8 Aug 2011 Guy Hand is a Roar Pro

.

Collingwood and Geelong destroyed Port Adelaide and Gold Coast by 138 and 150 points respectively in round 20 annihilations at the weekend.

It followed Geelong’s 186-point slaying of Melbourne the previous week – the second biggest margin in VFL/AFL history.

There have been nine 100-point-plus blowouts so far this season and, statistically, the chasm between top and bottom teams has never been more yawning.
And Collingwood coach Mick Malthouse warned yawning, then switching off, is exactly what fans might do if faced with near-unwatchable games like the Pies’ thrashing of Port.

The bottom-placed Power were appalling against the ladder leaders, booting just 3.3 for the entire match at AAMI Stadium on Saturday night.

But AFL football operations boss Adrian Anderson said such one-sided results were likely to continue next year with the introduction of Greater Western Sydney (GWS) to join this season’s newcomers Gold Coast.

“We may well have more lopsided scorelines next year and that’s part and parcel of getting two new teams into the competition,” Anderson told Fox Sports News.

“We decided we would get these clubs to build principally by draft picks and, no doubt, there’ll be the period of adjustment while they find their feet – particularly when you’ve got dominant teams like Geelong and Collingwood.”

Critics point to the new clubs further diluting football’s talent pool, with GWS’s introduction to bring the total number of professional AFL players to more than 750.

But Anderson defended expansion as vital to the competition’s future, even though Malthouse believed lopsided results could turn fans away from the game.

“The scorelines at the moment in AFL football, I think, has to be a worrying trend for the AFL. It has to be,” Malthouse said.

“This is not going to bring people to the football. This (margin) is not isolated … we are seeing far too much of this.

“Do you get any delight out of it? No … we’re entertainers not masochists.”

Continuing the blowouts were Melbourne, hammered for a second successive week in a 76-point loss to Carlton.

Yet amid the blowouts, was a thrilling classic, with Essendon beating Sydney at Etihad Stadium by one point on Saturday night to keep their finals hopes alive.

Hawthorn moved back to third place with some Lance Franklin magic in Launceston on Sunday.

Kept goalless for three quarters, superstar forward Franklin booted three in the final term to steer the Hawks past North Melbourne 15.13 (103) to 13.8 (86) after a last-quarter Kangaroos charge.

Adelaide also won a close match, with a late Graham Johncock goal securing the Crows a five-point win at the Gabba on Sunday to keep interim coach Mark Bickley unbeaten in his two matches in charge.

Brisbane’s defeat by the Crows came at a high price, the Lions losing key defender Joel Patfull with a suspected broken hand.

West Coast maintained their top four push with a 57-point win over Richmond in Perth on Sunday.

Mark Nicoski booted six goals for the Eagles in the 22.15 (147) to 14.6 (90) victory.

On Friday night, St Kilda maintained their spot inside the top eight with a 41-point win over Fremantle.


gee
what have a lot of AFL fans got to look forward to in 2012 as everyone knows its gunna be lot worse then last year

Raiderdave wrote:

cos789 wrote:

I cannot see any explanation for the thread title.
Where is the computation for 3 times , just for starters.
How come no average season has been submitted.
Putting that heading on one round is pretty pathetic.
One for bs file IMO.

even the AFL agrees with me
http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/08/08/mo ... -says-AFL/

More lopsided results likely, says AFL
By Guy Hand, 8 Aug 2011 Guy Hand is a Roar Pro

.

Collingwood and Geelong destroyed Port Adelaide and Gold Coast by 138 and 150 points respectively in round 20 annihilations at the weekend.

It followed Geelong’s 186-point slaying of Melbourne the previous week – the second biggest margin in VFL/AFL history.

There have been nine 100-point-plus blowouts so far this season and, statistically, the chasm between top and bottom teams has never been more yawning.
And Collingwood coach Mick Malthouse warned yawning, then switching off, is exactly what fans might do if faced with near-unwatchable games like the Pies’ thrashing of Port.

The bottom-placed Power were appalling against the ladder leaders, booting just 3.3 for the entire match at AAMI Stadium on Saturday night.

But AFL football operations boss Adrian Anderson said such one-sided results were likely to continue next year with the introduction of Greater Western Sydney (GWS) to join this season’s newcomers Gold Coast.

“We may well have more lopsided scorelines next year and that’s part and parcel of getting two new teams into the competition,” Anderson told Fox Sports News.

“We decided we would get these clubs to build principally by draft picks and, no doubt, there’ll be the period of adjustment while they find their feet – particularly when you’ve got dominant teams like Geelong and Collingwood.”

Critics point to the new clubs further diluting football’s talent pool, with GWS’s introduction to bring the total number of professional AFL players to more than 750.

But Anderson defended expansion as vital to the competition’s future, even though Malthouse believed lopsided results could turn fans away from the game.

“The scorelines at the moment in AFL football, I think, has to be a worrying trend for the AFL. It has to be,” Malthouse said.

“This is not going to bring people to the football. This (margin) is not isolated … we are seeing far too much of this.

“Do you get any delight out of it? No … we’re entertainers not masochists.”

Continuing the blowouts were Melbourne, hammered for a second successive week in a 76-point loss to Carlton.

Yet amid the blowouts, was a thrilling classic, with Essendon beating Sydney at Etihad Stadium by one point on Saturday night to keep their finals hopes alive.

Hawthorn moved back to third place with some Lance Franklin magic in Launceston on Sunday.

Kept goalless for three quarters, superstar forward Franklin booted three in the final term to steer the Hawks past North Melbourne 15.13 (103) to 13.8 (86) after a last-quarter Kangaroos charge.

Adelaide also won a close match, with a late Graham Johncock goal securing the Crows a five-point win at the Gabba on Sunday to keep interim coach Mark Bickley unbeaten in his two matches in charge.

Brisbane’s defeat by the Crows came at a high price, the Lions losing key defender Joel Patfull with a suspected broken hand.

West Coast maintained their top four push with a 57-point win over Richmond in Perth on Sunday.

Mark Nicoski booted six goals for the Eagles in the 22.15 (147) to 14.6 (90) victory.

On Friday night, St Kilda maintained their spot inside the top eight with a 41-point win over Fremantle.


gee
what have a lot of AFL fans got to look forward to in 2012 as everyone knows its gunna be lot worse then last year

yet it will still draw double the audience of the NRL. Once the league evens up when the Suns and Giants mature the NRL will be left in the AFL's dust.

David Gallop weighing in too
" they've Fu.cked up this latest lot of expansion " ..says our fearless leader

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sp ... 6131690864



NRL chief executive David Gallop yesterday launched a rare broadside at the AFL by claiming the quality of its competition has suffered this season after decisions were rushed on expansion.

Gallop also said the NRL was in the best shape it has ever been after spruiking a win over the other codes in several key aspects, namely crowd figures and television ratings.

Speaking at a state of the game address at NRL headquarters, the league boss produced a report which he believes shows the game is thriving and is likely to only get stronger when the independent commission assumes office on November 1.

"The game is the best it's ever been and it needs to be because we're in a competitive environment," Gallop said.

"The game has put a lot of effort into a lot of strategies around competition and community - a close competition and a deep level of community engagement."

The NRL has been criticised this season - particularly by Penrith general manager of football and Network Nine commentator Phil Gould - for a lack of vision in warding off the threat of the AFL in western Sydney with GWS joining the competition next season.

The league has already been fighting a territorial battle on another front after the Gold Coast Suns joined the AFL this season and went head-to-head with the Titans.

Rather than be alarmed by the expansion plans of his rival, Gallop said the AFL had alienated its traditional clubs and spoiled the quality of its competition as a result.He added that was why expansion plans in the NRL had been shelved until 2015 and pointed out that it had taken until the final round for the top eight to be finalised - unlike the AFL. "I think they've made some big gambles on some of the things they've done to try to make those expansion teams strong," Gallop said.

"The level of disgruntlement in their existing clubs is building all the time.

"You risk a whole lot of things if you tamper with that by giving concessions around salary caps and drafts, favouring one team over another, you will risk the quality of your competition and the closeness of your games.

"Quite frankly, I think that's what we're seeing in the AFL."

While not naming names, Gallop also said there had been too much focus in the NRL on the threat of its rivals rather than talking up its merits. "I never hear a senior person at Coca-Cola tell the world how great Pepsi is going," Gallop said.

"I think rugby league has a tendency to do that.

"One thing I think the AFL does much better than us is have their fights behind closed doors.

"Every person in the game, particularly coaches, are the most quoted people in the game and the most quoted people in the game have got to be really conscious in the game's overall promotion."

While crowd figures have dipped slightly this season by 0.6 per cent, Gallop said they were

still the second-highest in history and dropped less than those of any of their competitors. The AFL fell 5.5 per cent, Super 15 rugby was down 8 per cent and the national A-League dropped an alarming 15 per cent.

Gallop also pointed to positive figures for television - free-to-air ratings were 1.3 per cent higher than last season, all three State of Origin games featured in the top 10 programs for the year, while it boasted 74 of the top 100 programs on pay television - which would aid the next commercial deal.

It has been reported the code could net as much as $1 billion and Gallop did not rule out the prospect of Monday night shifting from pay-TV to free-to-air.

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

cos789 wrote:

I cannot see any explanation for the thread title.
Where is the computation for 3 times , just for starters.
How come no average season has been submitted.
Putting that heading on one round is pretty pathetic.
One for bs file IMO.

even the AFL agrees with me
http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/08/08/mo ... -says-AFL/

More lopsided results likely, says AFL
By Guy Hand, 8 Aug 2011 Guy Hand is a Roar Pro

.

Collingwood and Geelong destroyed Port Adelaide and Gold Coast by 138 and 150 points respectively in round 20 annihilations at the weekend.

It followed Geelong’s 186-point slaying of Melbourne the previous week – the second biggest margin in VFL/AFL history.

There have been nine 100-point-plus blowouts so far this season and, statistically, the chasm between top and bottom teams has never been more yawning.
And Collingwood coach Mick Malthouse warned yawning, then switching off, is exactly what fans might do if faced with near-unwatchable games like the Pies’ thrashing of Port.

The bottom-placed Power were appalling against the ladder leaders, booting just 3.3 for the entire match at AAMI Stadium on Saturday night.

But AFL football operations boss Adrian Anderson said such one-sided results were likely to continue next year with the introduction of Greater Western Sydney (GWS) to join this season’s newcomers Gold Coast.

“We may well have more lopsided scorelines next year and that’s part and parcel of getting two new teams into the competition,” Anderson told Fox Sports News.

“We decided we would get these clubs to build principally by draft picks and, no doubt, there’ll be the period of adjustment while they find their feet – particularly when you’ve got dominant teams like Geelong and Collingwood.”

Critics point to the new clubs further diluting football’s talent pool, with GWS’s introduction to bring the total number of professional AFL players to more than 750.

But Anderson defended expansion as vital to the competition’s future, even though Malthouse believed lopsided results could turn fans away from the game.

“The scorelines at the moment in AFL football, I think, has to be a worrying trend for the AFL. It has to be,” Malthouse said.

“This is not going to bring people to the football. This (margin) is not isolated … we are seeing far too much of this.

“Do you get any delight out of it? No … we’re entertainers not masochists.”

Continuing the blowouts were Melbourne, hammered for a second successive week in a 76-point loss to Carlton.

Yet amid the blowouts, was a thrilling classic, with Essendon beating Sydney at Etihad Stadium by one point on Saturday night to keep their finals hopes alive.

Hawthorn moved back to third place with some Lance Franklin magic in Launceston on Sunday.

Kept goalless for three quarters, superstar forward Franklin booted three in the final term to steer the Hawks past North Melbourne 15.13 (103) to 13.8 (86) after a last-quarter Kangaroos charge.

Adelaide also won a close match, with a late Graham Johncock goal securing the Crows a five-point win at the Gabba on Sunday to keep interim coach Mark Bickley unbeaten in his two matches in charge.

Brisbane’s defeat by the Crows came at a high price, the Lions losing key defender Joel Patfull with a suspected broken hand.

West Coast maintained their top four push with a 57-point win over Richmond in Perth on Sunday.

Mark Nicoski booted six goals for the Eagles in the 22.15 (147) to 14.6 (90) victory.

On Friday night, St Kilda maintained their spot inside the top eight with a 41-point win over Fremantle.


gee
what have a lot of AFL fans got to look forward to in 2012 as everyone knows its gunna be lot worse then last year

yet it will still draw double the audience of the NRL. Once the league evens up when the Suns and Giants mature the NRL will be left in the AFL's dust.

not for long
it will drop below double in 2012 .. the first time ever .... 15 years ago it was triple

the AFL will never see their 37K average again .. the ceilings been hit .. they're done
it will stay around 30K
the NRL's will continue to make ground on it ...... by 2020 we'll be ova 20K

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

even the AFL agrees with me
http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/08/08/mo ... -says-AFL/

More lopsided results likely, says AFL
By Guy Hand, 8 Aug 2011 Guy Hand is a Roar Pro

.

Collingwood and Geelong destroyed Port Adelaide and Gold Coast by 138 and 150 points respectively in round 20 annihilations at the weekend.

It followed Geelong’s 186-point slaying of Melbourne the previous week – the second biggest margin in VFL/AFL history.

There have been nine 100-point-plus blowouts so far this season and, statistically, the chasm between top and bottom teams has never been more yawning.
And Collingwood coach Mick Malthouse warned yawning, then switching off, is exactly what fans might do if faced with near-unwatchable games like the Pies’ thrashing of Port.

The bottom-placed Power were appalling against the ladder leaders, booting just 3.3 for the entire match at AAMI Stadium on Saturday night.

But AFL football operations boss Adrian Anderson said such one-sided results were likely to continue next year with the introduction of Greater Western Sydney (GWS) to join this season’s newcomers Gold Coast.

“We may well have more lopsided scorelines next year and that’s part and parcel of getting two new teams into the competition,” Anderson told Fox Sports News.

“We decided we would get these clubs to build principally by draft picks and, no doubt, there’ll be the period of adjustment while they find their feet – particularly when you’ve got dominant teams like Geelong and Collingwood.”

Critics point to the new clubs further diluting football’s talent pool, with GWS’s introduction to bring the total number of professional AFL players to more than 750.

But Anderson defended expansion as vital to the competition’s future, even though Malthouse believed lopsided results could turn fans away from the game.

“The scorelines at the moment in AFL football, I think, has to be a worrying trend for the AFL. It has to be,” Malthouse said.

“This is not going to bring people to the football. This (margin) is not isolated … we are seeing far too much of this.

“Do you get any delight out of it? No … we’re entertainers not masochists.”

Continuing the blowouts were Melbourne, hammered for a second successive week in a 76-point loss to Carlton.

Yet amid the blowouts, was a thrilling classic, with Essendon beating Sydney at Etihad Stadium by one point on Saturday night to keep their finals hopes alive.

Hawthorn moved back to third place with some Lance Franklin magic in Launceston on Sunday.

Kept goalless for three quarters, superstar forward Franklin booted three in the final term to steer the Hawks past North Melbourne 15.13 (103) to 13.8 (86) after a last-quarter Kangaroos charge.

Adelaide also won a close match, with a late Graham Johncock goal securing the Crows a five-point win at the Gabba on Sunday to keep interim coach Mark Bickley unbeaten in his two matches in charge.

Brisbane’s defeat by the Crows came at a high price, the Lions losing key defender Joel Patfull with a suspected broken hand.

West Coast maintained their top four push with a 57-point win over Richmond in Perth on Sunday.

Mark Nicoski booted six goals for the Eagles in the 22.15 (147) to 14.6 (90) victory.

On Friday night, St Kilda maintained their spot inside the top eight with a 41-point win over Fremantle.


gee
what have a lot of AFL fans got to look forward to in 2012 as everyone knows its gunna be lot worse then last year

yet it will still draw double the audience of the NRL. Once the league evens up when the Suns and Giants mature the NRL will be left in the AFL's dust.

not for long
it will drop below double in 2012 .. the first time ever .... 15 years ago it was triple

the AFL will never see their 37K average again .. the ceilings been hit .. they're done
it will stay around 30K
the NRL's will continue to make ground on it ...... by 2020 we'll be ova 20K

My comment was highly likely. Yours was fiction.

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

yet it will still draw double the audience of the NRL. Once the league evens up when the Suns and Giants mature the NRL will be left in the AFL's dust.

not for long
it will drop below double in 2012 .. the first time ever .... 15 years ago it was triple

the AFL will never see their 37K average again .. the ceilings been hit .. they're done
it will stay around 30K
the NRL's will continue to make ground on it ...... by 2020 we'll be ova 20K

My comment was highly likely. Yours was fiction.

yours is a prayer [-o<
mine is just the natural progression of things

NRL ...THE comp of the next 2 decades

cos789 wrote:

I cannot see any explanation for the thread title.
Where is the computation for 3 times , just for starters.
How come no average season has been submitted.
Putting that heading on one round is pretty pathetic.
One for bs file IMO.

Where is the computation for 3 times , just for starters.

Raiderdave wrote:

not for long
it will drop below double in 2012 .. the first time ever .... 15 years ago it was triple

the AFL will never see their 37K average again .. the ceilings been hit .. they're done
it will stay around 30K
the NRL's will continue to make ground on it ...... by 2020 we'll be ova 20K

And we will still be well over 30K. In fact when the Adelaide Oval and the new Perth venue come online we'll fit more in! And by that time the Giants and the Swans will both have averages higher than every Sydney based RL club. It will be the Broncos and the Warriors that will keep the NRL average up to above joke levels. Just.

That's my crystal ball reply to your crystal ball effort, Dave.

Do we get to bet on how many games GWS will lose by 200, or will Vlad step in at half time and order the teams to "take it easy" for the good of the game?