Talking Footy

Raiderdave wrote:

works fine for me
get a better computer

Stop being rude. My computer works perfectly well. The link you provided takes to a message that advises that the page does not exist on the site. Please correct the link, or if it is a search result (which may explain the issue) provide the search page and the search term you used.

pussycat wrote:

Assuming you are correct and those areas are uncounted, what code does it most affect? The AFL or, the NRL with 3x as many regional viewers?

Once again no proof, not one piece of evidence, Your repeating - regurgitating the same 'double counting' myth. Your counted only in the region that you take the survey not in any other region!

Maybe there is a better way, but at the moment it's the best system weve got. And the TV networks seem happy enough to abide by it.

Firstly, it would affect the AFL more adversely because Broken Hill is a strong AFL town. Mildura is a major Victorian centre and the addition of South Australia and the Northern Territory would well outstrip the likely NRL viewing numbers missed in Queensland.

Secondly, double counting is not a myth. The boxes are not marked "OzTam" and "RegionalTam". They are simply boxes that exist and are counted. In areas where both regional and metropolitan channels can be viewed, OzTam count the regional channels as metropolitan because that is the only way they can translate the information. RegionalTam do the reverse. Count Southern Cross as Ten, Prime as Seven and Win as Nine and vice versa. If this is the result of "the best system weve got" then we have very serious issues. TV networks would see doubles ups as a positive because it increases advertising revenue. If the process was handled properly they would lose money and that's why they abide by the present system.

It is long overdue that the people rise up and oppose this outdated system. It's suspect anyway because I believe that it does not represent a true demographic, simply because there aren't enough boxes being used.

Truthsayer wrote:

I rather think that Collingwood and St Kilda (at least) would disagree with you. Their base is quite sound and their future is robust. This will attract bigger crowds and assure the Suns of a good future at Metricon Stadium, possibly even at the expense of the NRL's Titans.

It is amusing that you would suggest that attendances are going backwards. That is so far from the truth I can't find the words to truly indicate my true opinion of that without being rude. The AFL is expanding and in the long term that can only lead to bigger crowds in all locations. Facilities are also being improved with the Sydney Showgrounds, Adelaide Oval and the new stadium in Perth already on the drawing board. With North Melbourne playing some home games in Hobart next year I expect the same thing to happen with Bellerive given what had already happened with Aurora Stadium.

Where is the NRL's expansion efforts with regards to stadium capacities? Where are the plans to increase the size of venues in Penrith, Parramatta, Manly, Newcastle or Canberra?

You have 18 clubs! don't just name the ones that are doing well.

Thats proof you've lost touch with reality if you think the Suns will one day take over from the titans. As I said earlier once there $20m funding dries up they will soon dry up.

Where's the interest going to come from for your next TV deal? The big money Foxtel payed you this time is just a one off. It only to boost subscriptions. You have next to know interst from FTA television, as C10 have already shown. So when the money dries up what then? You still fork out millions just to keep the Swans afloat each year after almost 30 years.

We have many new teams linning up, submitting there proposals for inclussion in our competition, PNG, Central Coast, a second NZ team, however I believe we will be putting a team in Perth next and a second team in Brisbane.

Though expansion doesn't guarantee success. The majority of bussiness that go broke is because there trying to get to big to fast. I certainly don't envy your situation where you need to drip feed 4 or 5 of your clubs.

And what does stadium size have to do with anything? Like in all things its quality not quatity.

Truthsayer wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

works fine for me
get a better computer

Stop being rude. My computer works perfectly well. The link you provided takes to a message that advises that the page does not exist on the site. Please correct the link, or if it is a search result (which may explain the issue) provide the search page and the search term you used.



it works fine .... have another go
http://www.agbnielsen.net/Uploads/Austr ... umCons.pdf

Truthsayer wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

works fine for me
get a better computer

Stop being rude. My computer works perfectly well. The link you provided takes to a message that advises that the page does not exist on the site. Please correct the link, or if it is a search result (which may explain the issue) provide the search page and the search term you used.

pussycat wrote:

Assuming you are correct and those areas are uncounted, what code does it most affect? The AFL or, the NRL with 3x as many regional viewers?

Once again no proof, not one piece of evidence, Your repeating - regurgitating the same 'double counting' myth. Your counted only in the region that you take the survey not in any other region!

Maybe there is a better way, but at the moment it's the best system weve got. And the TV networks seem happy enough to abide by it.

Firstly, it would affect the AFL more adversely because Broken Hill is a strong AFL town. Mildura is a major Victorian centre and the addition of South Australia and the Northern Territory would well outstrip the likely NRL viewing numbers missed in Queensland.

Secondly, double counting is not a myth. The boxes are not marked "OzTam" and "RegionalTam". They are simply boxes that exist and are counted. In areas where both regional and metropolitan channels can be viewed, OzTam count the regional channels as metropolitan because that is the only way they can translate the information. RegionalTam do the reverse. Count Southern Cross as Ten, Prime as Seven and Win as Nine and vice versa. If this is the result of "the best system weve got" then we have very serious issues. TV networks would see doubles ups as a positive because it increases advertising revenue. If the process was handled properly they would lose money and that's why they abide by the present system.

It is long overdue that the people rise up and oppose this outdated system. It's suspect anyway because I believe that it does not represent a true demographic, simply because there aren't enough boxes being used.

Mildura / Broken Hill & surrounding areas have a population of apprx 70K ... thats all
if the whole of Tasmania ( AFL heartland ) with a population of 500K can only muster 70K to 80K veiwers for BIG AFL games

then how many do you think these small regional centres will add to the debate

thats right ... hardly any

captain irrelevant much

Mr Raider, I note that you won't admit to failing to provide the correct link the first time and you edited the page when you realised the error that you made to try and hide the fact. It would do your credibility a lot better if you would admit to making the error rather than trying to shift the blame to me for whatever the reason.

Saying that, the link simply continues the assertion that single games tell the entire story when they do not. So I do not feel the need to add to what I have already said.

I am still awaiting sources for the claims you made regarding stadium expansions and so forth.

pussycat wrote:

Truthsayer wrote:

I rather think that Collingwood and St Kilda (at least) would disagree with you. Their base is quite sound and their future is robust. This will attract bigger crowds and assure the Suns of a good future at Metricon Stadium, possibly even at the expense of the NRL's Titans.

It is amusing that you would suggest that attendances are going backwards. That is so far from the truth I can't find the words to truly indicate my true opinion of that without being rude. The AFL is expanding and in the long term that can only lead to bigger crowds in all locations. Facilities are also being improved with the Sydney Showgrounds, Adelaide Oval and the new stadium in Perth already on the drawing board. With North Melbourne playing some home games in Hobart next year I expect the same thing to happen with Bellerive given what had already happened with Aurora Stadium.

Where is the NRL's expansion efforts with regards to stadium capacities? Where are the plans to increase the size of venues in Penrith, Parramatta, Manly, Newcastle or Canberra?

You have 18 clubs! don't just name the ones that are doing well.

Thats proof you've lost touch with reality if you think the Suns will one day take over from the titans. As I said earlier once there $20m funding dries up they will soon dry up.

Where's the interest going to come from for your next TV deal? The big money Foxtel payed you this time is just a one off. It only to boost subscriptions. You have next to know interst from FTA television, as C10 have already shown. So when the money dries up what then? You still fork out millions just to keep the Swans afloat each year after almost 30 years.

We have many new teams linning up, submitting there proposals for inclussion in our competition, PNG, Central Coast, a second NZ team, however I believe we will be putting a team in Perth next and a second team in Brisbane.

Though expansion doesn't guarantee success. The majority of bussiness that go broke is because there trying to get to big to fast. I certainly don't envy your situation where you need to drip feed 4 or 5 of your clubs.

And what does stadium size have to do with anything? Like in all things its quality not quatity.

You completely misread what I was saying. I was not stating that Collingwood and St Kilda were doing well. I was stating that they would agree that the Suns have a sound base and a robust future, given the on field performance against them in the last two weeks. The only AFL club presently struggling is Port Adelaide, as it is well documented. So it would be appreciated if you would not lie about the other 16 active AFL clubs, particularly the Swans who have not benefitted from AFL assistance for a number of years.

Interest in FTA television for AFL has come from all three networks. Nine were annoyed that Seven had the last bid in one of the previous battles for the broadcast rights as they felt they could have matched the offer. Seven has always wanted AFL and always will want it because it is a money maker for them and has been since the 1960's. The same would be true of Nine's relationship with the NRL. Seven has shown no interest in the NRL that I am aware of, or if they have it would not be to the same level as their AFL interest.

Foxtel paid up big because they wanted AFL on board, so don't assume it was anything other than interest in the product.

Please provide links to prove the interest in Papua New Guinea, the second team in New Zealand and the Perth team. I am aware of the second Brisbane team and several consortiums vying for that position. I am also aware of the possible reformation of the North Sydney Bears playing out of Blue Tongue Stadium in Gosford. However they are both simply flooding an already over crowded market, so that would hardly be an appropriate or viable expansion. The NRL should be working on other areas of Australia with the same tenacity as the AFL has done. The NRL should be developing grass roots interest in Perth and Adelaide and working hard through solid promotion to garner interest. They are doing next to nothing about it at present, compared to the AFL's promotion of the GWS Giants.

Stadium size matters to provide room for more people. Quantity does indeed matter if the code is to make money. Quality does not pay the bills if not enough people are paying for it.

Truthsayer wrote:

Mr Raider, I note that you won't admit to failing to provide the correct link the first time and you edited the page when you realised the error that you made to try and hide the fact. It would do your credibility a lot better if you would admit to making the error rather than trying to shift the blame to me for whatever the reason.

Saying that, the link simply continues the assertion that single games tell the entire story when they do not. So I do not feel the need to add to what I have already said.

I am still awaiting sources for the claims you made regarding stadium expansions and so forth.

pussycat wrote:

Truthsayer wrote:

I rather think that Collingwood and St Kilda (at least) would disagree with you. Their base is quite sound and their future is robust. This will attract bigger crowds and assure the Suns of a good future at Metricon Stadium, possibly even at the expense of the NRL's Titans.

It is amusing that you would suggest that attendances are going backwards. That is so far from the truth I can't find the words to truly indicate my true opinion of that without being rude. The AFL is expanding and in the long term that can only lead to bigger crowds in all locations. Facilities are also being improved with the Sydney Showgrounds, Adelaide Oval and the new stadium in Perth already on the drawing board. With North Melbourne playing some home games in Hobart next year I expect the same thing to happen with Bellerive given what had already happened with Aurora Stadium.

Where is the NRL's expansion efforts with regards to stadium capacities? Where are the plans to increase the size of venues in Penrith, Parramatta, Manly, Newcastle or Canberra?

You have 18 clubs! don't just name the ones that are doing well.

Thats proof you've lost touch with reality if you think the Suns will one day take over from the titans. As I said earlier once there $20m funding dries up they will soon dry up.

Where's the interest going to come from for your next TV deal? The big money Foxtel payed you this time is just a one off. It only to boost subscriptions. You have next to know interst from FTA television, as C10 have already shown. So when the money dries up what then? You still fork out millions just to keep the Swans afloat each year after almost 30 years.

We have many new teams linning up, submitting there proposals for inclussion in our competition, PNG, Central Coast, a second NZ team, however I believe we will be putting a team in Perth next and a second team in Brisbane.

Though expansion doesn't guarantee success. The majority of bussiness that go broke is because there trying to get to big to fast. I certainly don't envy your situation where you need to drip feed 4 or 5 of your clubs.

And what does stadium size have to do with anything? Like in all things its quality not quatity.

You completely misread what I was saying. I was not stating that Collingwood and St Kilda were doing well. I was stating that they would agree that the Suns have a sound base and a robust future, given the on field performance against them in the last two weeks. The only AFL club presently struggling is Port Adelaide, as it is well documented. So it would be appreciated if you would not lie about the other 16 active AFL clubs, particularly the Swans who have not benefitted from AFL assistance for a number of years.

Interest in FTA television for AFL has come from all three networks. Nine were annoyed that Seven had the last bid in one of the previous battles for the broadcast rights as they felt they could have matched the offer. Seven has always wanted AFL and always will want it because it is a money maker for them and has been since the 1960's. The same would be true of Nine's relationship with the NRL. Seven has shown no interest in the NRL that I am aware of, or if they have it would not be to the same level as their AFL interest.

Foxtel paid up big because they wanted AFL on board, so don't assume it was anything other than interest in the product.

Please provide links to prove the interest in Papua New Guinea, the second team in New Zealand and the Perth team. I am aware of the second Brisbane team and several consortiums vying for that position. I am also aware of the possible reformation of the North Sydney Bears playing out of Blue Tongue Stadium in Gosford. However they are both simply flooding an already over crowded market, so that would hardly be an appropriate or viable expansion. The NRL should be working on other areas of Australia with the same tenacity as the AFL has done. The NRL should be developing grass roots interest in Perth and Adelaide and working hard through solid promotion to garner interest. They are doing next to nothing about it at present, compared to the AFL's promotion of the GWS Giants.

Stadium size matters to provide room for more people. Quantity does indeed matter if the code is to make money. Quality does not pay the bills if not enough people are paying for it.

Mr Truthslayer
any dim witted peanut such as yourself could have sourced this information anyway ....


you'd do your credibility a lot better if you presented all of the facts ... sourced all of the info .. not just the half that only suited your argument ...

now

can you please comment on how an average run of the Mill NRL game attracted more veiwers then the biggest game of AFL so far this year ?

how did that occur
why did that occur
why will it occur again .. & again ... & again

Raiderdave wrote:

Mildura / Broken Hill & surrounding areas have a population of apprx 70K ... thats all
if the whole of Tasmania ( AFL heartland ) with a population of 500K can only muster 70K to 80K veiwers for BIG AFL games

then how many do you think these small regional centres will add to the debate

thats right ... hardly any

captain irrelevant much

I find myself agreeing with Onions about your age. If you are going to make statements please do them politely. Your arrogance is affecting your credibility.

I note that you do not mention the entire population of the Northern Territory or the population of regional South Australia, preferring instead to concentrate on two cities. As a matter of fact, 70,000 is understating what is missing there. Mildura itself has a population of 30,016. The remaining area missed would add something like 5 or 6 thousand people.

Broken Hill itself has a population of 18,854, but add places like Bourke, Nyngan, Cobar, Wilcannia, Menindee and even Wentworth and it rises by 13,000 and add another 5 thousand for surrounding districts. Try 80,000 and not 70,000 and either way this is not a number that should be ignored. To ignore them is to undermine the whole debate, and I suspect that is precisely what you are trying to do. It's not going to work because the facts speak louder that your desperate assertions.

Raiderdave wrote:

Mr Truthslayer
any dim witted peanut such as yourself could have sourced the information anyway ....
you'd do your credibility a lot better if you presented all of the facts ... sourced all of the info .. not just the half that only suited your argument ...

now

can you please comment on how an average run of the Mill NRL game attracted more veiwers then the biggest game of AFL so far this year ?

how did that occur
why did that occur
why will it occur again .. & again ... & again

I will respond when you provide links to your claims, and also explain how it is a good thing that NRL TV totals are behind that of the AFL. Picking up single games like I said does not tell the whole story. You are the one not sourcing all the information and I strongly recommend a change in tack if you want my respect.

Or is that your intent? To bring me down to your level? If so that tactic is doomed to fail because all it will do is cause me to repeat the same information over and over again until you accept it.

Truthsayer wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Mr Truthslayer
any dim witted peanut such as yourself could have sourced the information anyway ....
you'd do your credibility a lot better if you presented all of the facts ... sourced all of the info .. not just the half that only suited your argument ...

now

can you please comment on how an average run of the Mill NRL game attracted more veiwers then the biggest game of AFL so far this year ?

how did that occur
why did that occur
why will it occur again .. & again ... & again

I will respond when you provide links to your claims, and also explain how it is a good thing that NRL TV totals are behind that of the AFL. Picking up single games like I said does not tell the whole story. You are the one not sourcing all the information and I strongly recommend a change in tack if you want my respect.

Or is that your intent? To bring me down to your level? If so that tactic is doomed to fail because all it will do is cause me to repeat the same information over and over again until you accept it.

I have proven many times .. anything I post is factual & apon providing the proof . at the expense of my considerably valuable time .. I get the inevitable phhhttttt ...from boggerball gumbies like yourself .. so I say why bother ... you look it up ... K ?

No I demand that you provide proper evidence with links. I presently believe you to be a petulant child who is unable to maintain a debate without petty insults. You have proven nothing and your credibility on fact is at such a low ebb it is becoming harder and harder to address you in a manner that can be considered polite. If I can't be polite to get through to you there is little point continuing this discussion if all you want to do is concentrate on your little corner of the world.

I challenge you to man up and provide back up for your claims.

Truthsayer wrote:

No I demand that you provide proper evidence with links. I presently believe you to be a petulant child who is unable to maintain a debate without petty insults. You have proven nothing and your credibility on fact is at such a low ebb it is becoming harder and harder to address you in a manner that can be considered polite. If I can't be polite to get through to you there is little point continuing this discussion if all you want to do is concentrate on your little corner of the world.

I challenge you to man up and provide back up for your claims.

how about the links I did provide
like the ones for the biggest AFL game so far this year ... being beaten by an "average " NRL game
how bout those links .. they're fine as you've indicated
so
would you mind commenting on those as I have asked
or has the cat got your tongue mr truthslayer ?

Just caught up on this thread and considering Truthsayers first update suggested that this thread goes off the topic, I cna say that his comments have being very interesting. Starting with his very first one.

However, lets move on. You want some figures. Wikipedia is where the regional numbers came from.

I am sure Onion or Beaussie or now even Truthsayer will suggest this is wrong regardless of what is presented. However, if you are going to do so at least try to back up your responses with some sort of evidence, that would be a refreshing change. Beaussie, no more preach GWS website and keep it to TV viewings. I also don’t want to hear the figures are flawed as they all are to an extent, but they are the best we have, so we are all on the same playing field, with the exception of ozTAM being heavily bias in terms of the number of counters who live in AFL States.

Let’s talk why regional viewers can make a real difference in the counts and why AFL fans are so forceful in trying to turn a blind eye to regional Australia. Here are some of the numbers as to why we have to recognise the small cities in each state. I have added comments as some are already in the ozTAM counts or would be split 50/50 across the codes to be fair. Below represents the numbers of people that live in each of our largest recognise regional cities in Australia:


Gold Coast-Tweed Qld/NSW 591473 Already Counted by ozTAM
Newcastle NSW 546788 Not Counted
Canberra-Queanbeyan ACT 410419 Not Counted
Wollongong NSW 292190 Not Counted
Sunshine Coast Qld 251081 Not Counted
Greater Hobart Tas 214705 Not Counted
Geelong Vic 178650 Already Counted by ozTAM
Townsville Qld 172316 Not Counted
Cairns Qld 150920 Not Counted
Toowoomba Qld 131258 Not Counted
Launceston Tas 106153 Not Counted
Ballarat Vic 96097 Not Counted
Bendigo Vic 91713 Not Counted
Mandurah WA 85814 Already Counted by ozTAM
Mackay Qld 85700 Not Counted
Burnie-Devonport Tas 82567 Not Counted
Latrobe Valley[5] Vic 81001 Not Counted
Rockhampton Qld 77878 Not Counted
Bundaberg Qld 69036 Not Counted
Bunbury WA 68248 Not Counted
Darwin NT 63,766 Each 50/50 split
Hervey Bay Qld 60807 Not Counted
Wagga Wagga NSW 58610 Not Counted
Coffs Harbour NSW 53401 Not Counted
Albury-Wodonga NSW/Vic 53026 50/50 split
Gladstone Qld 51158 Not Counted
Mildura Vic 50522 Not Counted
Shepparton Vic 49859 Not Counted
Tamworth NSW 47595 Not Counted
Port Macquarie NSW 44313 Not Counted
Orange NSW 39329 Not Counted
Dubbo NSW 38037 Not Counted
Geraldton WA 36958 Not Counted
Nowra-Bomaderry NSW 34479 Not Counted
Bathurst NSW 34303 Not Counted
Warrnambool Vic 33922 Not Counted
Lismore NSW 32494 Not Counted
Kalgoorlie-Boulder WA 32390 Not Counted

When removing the people who have already been counted in ozTAM figures. There are still a total of 3,859,831 viewers that are not counted under your continued ozTAM only figures nonsense. Of which 73% or 2,798,904 are in Rugby League based towns and 27% or 1,060,927are in AFL based towns. Even if you AFL boys want to take all the 50/50's you still look bad

When looking at the above figures surely you cannot dispute why regional figures have to be counted in this thread and why NRL will ensure they are tabled. Especially, when NRL has sides in the towns where around 40% of these people live, Newcastle, Canberra, Wollongong and North Qld. So that is regional included as far as I can see and I do not care for any responses that don’t back themselves with supporting evidence.

Now onto ozTAM - I agree with one thing that Truthsayer say, it should one grooup of counters, but the group has to be way bigger then the 5 city count to include regional australia and based upon the population per state.
All AFL fans seem happy to use ozTAM figures as they can be manipulated to favour AFL. Beaussie wanted to suggest that my previous figures were incorrect where I suggested that ozTAM figures are not even close to a fair in representing regional Australian viewer. I had suggested that by using ozTAM only to represent the entire country, it was heavily AFL bias as based upon the 3025 homes used for counts, 55% are counted in Melb, Adel and Perth, even though these AFL based states only represent around 45% of our countries population. Beaussies problem with my figures was there are a number of AFL supporters amongst NSW and QLD. I am happy to go with that, if we can all agree that there are also a number of Rugby League fans in AFL areas as well.
Therefore, if we only use ozTAM, we are still in a position that 55% of the population is represented by what 45% of the country’s population watch. If the counters were based upon the true population ie 55% were in NSW, QLD and 45% of counters were in Vic, SA and Perth, then we would get a more accurate reflection of what people watch. Eg if there is more AFL viewers in NSW, QLD, then NRL viewers in Vic, SA and Perth then this would be reflected by what the counters watch. However the AFL ratings are inflated as 55% of the 3025 homes used for counting can only watch AFL as in Vic, SA or Perth, Rugby League is not televised, not only is it inflated incorrectly by population, it is inflated as even if they wanted to watch Rugby League, they can’t. You cannot deny that ozTAM is significantly bias to AFL.

AFL is televised in all 5 city’s. It has been suggested that there is no supporter/viewers of Rugby League in these states, if you look at the numbers who watch the State of Origins it paints a different picture. 18% or 1,203,000 of the ozTAM viewers came from states that don’t apparently watch Rugby League.

It has also been suggested the ratings are there to support AFL to be watched in Brisbane and Sydney. Friday is the only time when they are both truly on at the same time. I ask you this, how many AFL viewers are there in Sydney and Brisbane when the games are played at the same time, see below and then let’s chat.

I have seen you guy’s whinge about the so called AFL delayed game on Friday Night as an excuse when your numbers are down. The AFL game, which this Friday is telecast at 5:30pm Perth, 8pm Adel and 8:30pm Melb. It is definitely live in Adelaide and Perth with their time differences and has a whole 50 minute delay in Melbourne compare to our second Friday night game, which is delayed 2 hours. The closest we are going to get with comparing apples with apples to compare the AFL Friday Night game with the NRL live game.

I have also included the Sunday figures below as both codes have a game on, however to my previous point about how many viewers are there in Syd and Bris when they are played at the same time, it should be noted that in Brisbane and Sydney they are not telecast at the same. I will concede (as they can’t) that nobody watches league in Melb, Adel and Perth. So now let’s look at how the figures stand when played head to head for the last three weeks, without regional viewers to keep you all happy.
Figures From: http://www.tvtonight.com.au/category/ratings
Week 31 – Close, but no cigar AFL
11 Nine’s Live Friday Night Football Nine 714,000 454,000 *** 260,000 *** ***
16 Seven’s AFL: Rnd 19: North Melbourne Vs Carlton Seven 529,000 8,000 305,000 6,000 120,000 90,000
30 Nine’s Friday Night Football Nine 281,000 184,000 *** 97,000 *** ***

22 Nine’s Sunday Football Nine 468,000 304,000 *** 164,000 *** ***
27 Seven’s AFL: Rnd 18: Melbourne Vs Hawthorn Seven 369,000 41,000 208,000 24,000 90,000 6,000


Week 30 – Not even a comparison the 2 hours delayed game was only shy by 80 K, but you pipped us by 16k on the Sunday well done
9 Nine’s Live Friday Night Football Nine 819,000 504,000 *** 315,000 *** ***
19 Seven’s AFL: Rnd 18: St Kilda Vs Adelaide Seven 496,000 16,000 251,000 17,000 158,000 53,000 21 Nine’s Friday Night Football Nine 411,000 314,000 *** 97,000 *** ***
17 Seven’s AFL: Rnd 17: Brisbane Vs Geelong Seven 508,000 5,000 262,000 77,000 96,000 68,000
20 Nine’s Sunday Football Nine 492,000 322,000 *** 169,000 *** ***

Week 29 –You got us by 101K on Friday, well done. We got you on Sunday.
11 Seven’s AFL: Rnd 17: Adelaide Vs Essendon Seven 690,000 16,000 416,000 14,000 181,000 64,000
16 Nine’s Live Friday Night Football Nine 589,000 302,000 *** 287,000 *** ***
34 Nine’s Friday Night Football Nine 279,000 177,000 *** 102,000 *** ***
18 Nine’s Sunday Football Nine 409,000 282,000 *** 127,000 *** ***
20 Seven’s AFL: Rnd 16: Port Adelaide Vs St Kilda Seven 384,000 18,000 186,000 6,000 110,000 65,000
Overall Rugby League 3,491,000 viewers (This only includes the NRL live Game) , AFL 2,976,000 Viewer.




Now for my opinion lets combine the regional:
Figures from http://www.thinktv.com.au/content_commo ... eports.seo
Week 31 Preliminary: Sorry no mention of AFL, however Friday Night NRL is in the Regional top 40 and when combined with ozTAM LIVE FRIDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL 1,173
Week 30 – Sorry no mention of AFL, however Friday Night NRL is in the Regional top 40 and when combined with LIVE FRIDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL 1,354,000 viewer
Week 29 – Sorry no mention of AFL, however Friday Night NRL is in the Regional top 40


Remembering that Pay TV paid around half of your bill in the last negotiation and none of the above take Pay TV in to consideration, I’d say CHECK MATE as rugby League wins hands down, no disputing that, end of discussion. Don’t give me excuses now, give me facts as they are certainly stacked up for Rugby League, when you also include Pay TV.

Raiderdave wrote:

Truthsayer wrote:

No I demand that you provide proper evidence with links. I presently believe you to be a petulant child who is unable to maintain a debate without petty insults. You have proven nothing and your credibility on fact is at such a low ebb it is becoming harder and harder to address you in a manner that can be considered polite. If I can't be polite to get through to you there is little point continuing this discussion if all you want to do is concentrate on your little corner of the world.

I challenge you to man up and provide back up for your claims.

how about the links I did provide
like the ones for the biggest AFL game so far this year ... being beaten by an "average " NRL game
how bout those links .. they're fine as you've indicated
so
would you mind commenting on those as I have asked
or has the cat got your tongue mr truthslayer ?

Truthslayer, aint that the truth

Hey Puppies, if the regionals were fucking counted properly the AFL would still be fucking winning!! Stick that up your arse and shit it!

Onions wrote:

Hey Puppies, if the regionals were ******* counted properly the AFL would still be ******* winning!! Stick that up your arse and **** it!

So are you suggesting the metro 5 city is correct, or did you just through a quick answer out because you can't read