Talking Footy

eelofwest wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

Heres a prediction for the online and the NZ rights for the NRL. Not that I have to much of a clue but why not have a guess.

NZ rights 80 million
Online rights 95 million

Total rights with extra rights added : 1.2 billion.

I think your online rights is close to the mark Pies.

But NZ rights 80m

We got 75m 6 years ago, how the hell do you think the value of our NZ sky rights is only going to go up by 5m. The ratings for NRL on Sky has improved enormously in 6 years especially the warriors ratings.

My guess 110m for NZ sky.
100m for online rights.

Also take into account how undersold our last tv deal was and it is a no brainier that we will get over 100m for NZ.

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

Sure, the NRL gets more money per minute.
:

hmmm I see

a bit more ... or a lot more ?

Its irrelevant. As I asked you, would you rather more money and more coverage or less money and less coverage? Theyre the two important stats, not dollars per minute.

When the deals were first signed and announce almost every fan wanted to know how much for and how many games they could watch on TV. AFL fans were ecstatic, great money and great coverage. NRL fans were mostly devastated, great money but disgraceful TV coverage. How many people asked, but what are we paid per minute?

Theres your answer right there Dave.

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

Sure, the NRL gets more money per minute.
:

hmmm I see

a bit more ... or a lot more ?

Its irrelevant. As I asked you, would you rather more money and more coverage or less money and less coverage? Theyre the two important stats, not dollars per minute.

When the deals were first signed and announce almost every fan wanted to know how much for and how many games they could watch on TV. AFL fans were ecstatic, great money and great coverage. NRL fans were mostly devastated, great money but disgraceful TV coverage. How many people asked, but what are we paid per minute?

Theres your answer right there Dave.

Xman wrote:

two can play at that game. All the talk on LU was you were getting equal coverage as the AFL, expansion teams in Perth and Brisbane, and all for 1.4b.

What happened?

What happened to winning the cummulative ratings last year?

What happened to increasing the advertising in each game for equal value?

What happened to the far higher price of advertising in NSW and QLD?

All we hear from you Dave is what is coming. "next tv rights we'll have all games on FTA and foxtel". "Next TV rights we'll have a team in Perth". Now "next TV rights we'll earn heaps more than the AFL......"

Dream on Dave. Get back to the present for once.

Xman wrote:

All we heard for years on LU was how bad you current TV coverage was and how wonderful it was going to be when you matched the AAFLs great deal.

Howd that work for you?

The AFL may have dropped in average attendance but still near doubles your joke of a game. A drop was anticipated given every game is shown live against the gate and as of this year 1 in 4 games in played outside VIC/SA and WA. The NRL have about 1 in 10 outside their heartland and are still around half the attendance.

The interest levels are as high as ever. TV ratings are up 30%. Howd the NRL go?

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

All we heard for years on LU was how bad you current TV coverage was and how wonderful it was going to be when you matched the AAFLs great deal.

Howd that work for you?

The AFL may have dropped in average attendance but still near doubles your joke of a game. A drop was anticipated given every game is shown live against the gate and as of this year 1 in 4 games in played outside VIC/SA and WA. The NRL have about 1 in 10 outside their heartland and are still around half the attendance.

The interest levels are as high as ever. TV ratings are up 30%. Howd the NRL go?

I never once said anything about anything other then the money
a few ney saying wind bags on LU .. have been silenced ... everyone now knows the deal is massive ... stunning ... one that will catapolt our game to a position where it can't be threatend
we have the comp
we have the money

The media rights deal is a huge win for the game. Historically the NRL has been the poor cousin to the AFL and with this new TV deal the NRL can invest in grassroots rugby league, the players and the clubs. This will ensure the long-term leadership of the NRL in Australia. The setting of a NRL fixed schedule for the first 20 rounds is a great outcome for fans. Rugby league's future is now secure, including the protection on Wednesday nights of Australia's premier sporting event, State of Origin. Free-to-air television continues to have exclusively three games with 7.30 Friday night matches for Sydney and Brisbane. The near-live game on Sunday afternoon, together with some games on Thursday and now a game on Anzac Day, are great for the fans. With many choices to follow their team, the fans are big winners.
 
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John Brady, NRL director of media.
The rights agreement represents a significant win for fans not least for the fact that it ensures their favourite teams will remain strong into the future, that those teams will be capable of attracting the best athletes and that the grassroots of the game will continue to flourish. Fans will have certainty through fixed scheduling, additional programming and key events such as the Anzac Day game, Test matches and State of Origin on free-to-air television. Television rights are the biggest single factor in determining the financial security of the clubs and the game as well as being the key platform in giving people access to the sport. This package balances the need to attract revenue, to ensure the best games are on free-to-air television and to promote attendances. It unquestionably delivered the strongest financial outcome for the game across its broadcasting assets.
 
 
This deal is not a win for fans. It is a win for the NRL administrators because they have a clear agenda under new authority to boost attendance numbers at venues. What of the fans who love the game but for whatever reason cannot make it to watch their team play or can't afford Foxtel? Channel Nine, in particular, could come to regret this deal as a short-term financial gain but an overall loss of viewer loyalty and hence a decline in its advertising revenue. It simply doesn't have the programs to make up the shortfall.
Adrian Burley, Earlwood
Make no mistake, this is a win. Many will complain that there's only one live game in Sydney every weekend but the stark reality is the more live games, the less money for the rights. To match the AFL and get four live games means maybe $200 million less from the networks. The NRL has done the right thing here. The short-term revenue is more important for now. Maybe next time the NRL will be in a better position to compromise on cash to get more live games. The fans just need to suck it up and understand the money will benefit the game in the long term.
James Reed, Caringbah
How does rugby league expect to grow a support base if it is not readily accessible to the fans of tomorrow? Limited coverage and night grand finals mean viewing on television is not practical for small children, let alone any dream of actually attending. Developing interest in sports for children is really important, and I wish league could learn more from the failures of rugby union in recent years.
Tony Carn, Rozelle
The new deal has changed virtually nothing for the fans. I appreciate the NRL's need to get the best deal possible so they can keep the best players and grow the code. The issue is delayed coverage. With the growing influence of technology in our lives, not finding out a score has become almost impossible. I have not managed to get through one delayed Channel Nine game this season without finding out the score. While the delays annoy me, it is much worse for the younger generation of fans who are not awake at 10pm on a Friday. At least the AFL lets me watch Israel Folau live.
Tim Knoblanche, Edgecliff
The new deal is a pathetic outcome for the fans who have been treated badly by Channel Nine for so long. It will contribute to more people watching AFL and fewer watching NRL. Channel Seven shows four live AFL matches a week in Sydney by making use of its digital channels. It seems as if Channel Ten was offering something similar for NRL. It's inconceivable that in 2013 we can have only one live NRL match on free-to-air and not a single one on a Saturday. With the advent of digital channels and online options, pay TV subscriptions will stagnate. The new deal demonstrates the commission has little regard for fans and is interested in only the dollars.
John Hanlon, Hornsby Heights
The deal is as good as it gets. The coverage is the same but the money has doubled. Plus, News has given up first and last rights. I have Foxtel and watch every game it covers. It's much better than Channel Nine and with much better commentators, who don't waffle about garbage. If you don't have Foxtel, do what I did and prioritise your spending - maybe give up the grog and smokes - but please, stop whingeing about it.
Jeff Cook, West Pennant Hills
The deal done by the NRL with Channel Nine is another kick in the guts for grassroots league fans. There are no NRL games on free-to-air TV on a Saturday, so if you don't have pay TV, tough luck. It won't take long for the free-to-air TV viewers to change their viewing to AFL. That's the only choice they have. The almighty dollar wins over the game, which without fans will slowly die. Well done to the NRL commission, you are no better than the previous managers of our game.
Paul Cullen, Tieri, Qld
The NRL has seen great growth on the back of quality coverage of the sport on television. This is a major factor that has enabled the NRL to quantify the legitimacy of such a large deal. Not to broadcast the games to the present standard and decrease the number of live games shown to potentially one a week would be a disaster for the game. It would result in a massive drop in viewers, which would reduce the amount of money spent on advertising. In five years, when broadcasting rights are renegotiated, the value would drop significantly and the game would not see its potential growth. This is a great deal financially, but sometimes short-term gains have to be considered in light of future results. The dictated scheduling ensures more night games, designed purely to keep people at home rather than attending and thereby making the NRL's already poor crowds a laughing stock among competitors. Thursday night, the awful 5.30 Saturday timeslot and Monday highlight the disregard for attending spectators. Rugby league is the only major sporting code that sells its soul for TV rights. More lucrative and popular codes such as the National Football League (US), English Premier League and the Australian Football League all play most games during daylight and their full houses help improve their product.
Andrew Bull, Sydney
The TV deal may be great for the game but not for fans. Other sports around the world showcase their sport live every week, whereas Channel Nine is not giving the fans that opportunity. Many argue that if you want to see a game live, why don't you go to the ground? Well, that's OK if you live in the city, but that's extremely hard for a supporter from the bush. Surely the next TV deal will make sure that all free-to-air games are shown live and in a way that can keep all parties happy.
Isaac Kensell, Tamworth
The NRL has looked at the short-term gain, but have not made an accurate assessment of how this will affect its fan base in western Sydney. There will be droves of fans who will miss out on the action every week and, more importantly for the code, it will have less visibility for potential fans of the next generation. This strategy of short-term gain without looking at the long-term picture is almost a carbon copy of the federal government's strategy with the mining tax, a strategy that offers short-term cash injection but has mining companies looking for somewhere else to invest. NRL fans to AFL perhaps? Works for me as an AFL fan.

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

All we heard for years on LU was how bad you current TV coverage was and how wonderful it was going to be when you matched the AAFLs great deal.

Howd that work for you?

The AFL may have dropped in average attendance but still near doubles your joke of a game. A drop was anticipated given every game is shown live against the gate and as of this year 1 in 4 games in played outside VIC/SA and WA. The NRL have about 1 in 10 outside their heartland and are still around half the attendance.

The interest levels are as high as ever. TV ratings are up 30%. Howd the NRL go?

I never once said anything about anything other then the money
a few ney saying wind bags on LU .. have been silenced ... everyone now knows the deal is massive ... stunning ... one that will catapolt our game to a position where it can't be threatend
we have the comp
we have the money

The media rights deal is a huge win for the game. Historically the NRL has been the poor cousin to the AFL and with this new TV deal the NRL can invest in grassroots rugby league, the players and the clubs. This will ensure the long-term leadership of the NRL in Australia. The setting of a NRL fixed schedule for the first 20 rounds is a great outcome for fans. Rugby league's future is now secure, including the protection on Wednesday nights of Australia's premier sporting event, State of Origin. Free-to-air television continues to have exclusively three games with 7.30 Friday night matches for Sydney and Brisbane. The near-live game on Sunday afternoon, together with some games on Thursday and now a game on Anzac Day, are great for the fans. With many choices to follow their team, the fans are big winners.
 
... in duplicate
Advertisement
John Brady, NRL director of media.
The rights agreement represents a significant win for fans not least for the fact that it ensures their favourite teams will remain strong into the future, that those teams will be capable of attracting the best athletes and that the grassroots of the game will continue to flourish. Fans will have certainty through fixed scheduling, additional programming and key events such as the Anzac Day game, Test matches and State of Origin on free-to-air television. Television rights are the biggest single factor in determining the financial security of the clubs and the game as well as being the key platform in giving people access to the sport. This package balances the need to attract revenue, to ensure the best games are on free-to-air television and to promote attendances. It unquestionably delivered the strongest financial outcome for the game across its broadcasting assets.
 
 
This deal is not a win for fans. It is a win for the NRL administrators because they have a clear agenda under new authority to boost attendance numbers at venues. What of the fans who love the game but for whatever reason cannot make it to watch their team play or can't afford Foxtel? Channel Nine, in particular, could come to regret this deal as a short-term financial gain but an overall loss of viewer loyalty and hence a decline in its advertising revenue. It simply doesn't have the programs to make up the shortfall.
Adrian Burley, Earlwood
Make no mistake, this is a win. Many will complain that there's only one live game in Sydney every weekend but the stark reality is the more live games, the less money for the rights. To match the AFL and get four live games means maybe $200 million less from the networks. The NRL has done the right thing here. The short-term revenue is more important for now. Maybe next time the NRL will be in a better position to compromise on cash to get more live games. The fans just need to suck it up and understand the money will benefit the game in the long term.
James Reed, Caringbah
How does rugby league expect to grow a support base if it is not readily accessible to the fans of tomorrow? Limited coverage and night grand finals mean viewing on television is not practical for small children, let alone any dream of actually attending. Developing interest in sports for children is really important, and I wish league could learn more from the failures of rugby union in recent years.
Tony Carn, Rozelle
The new deal has changed virtually nothing for the fans. I appreciate the NRL's need to get the best deal possible so they can keep the best players and grow the code. The issue is delayed coverage. With the growing influence of technology in our lives, not finding out a score has become almost impossible. I have not managed to get through one delayed Channel Nine game this season without finding out the score. While the delays annoy me, it is much worse for the younger generation of fans who are not awake at 10pm on a Friday. At least the AFL lets me watch Israel Folau live.
Tim Knoblanche, Edgecliff
The new deal is a pathetic outcome for the fans who have been treated badly by Channel Nine for so long. It will contribute to more people watching AFL and fewer watching NRL. Channel Seven shows four live AFL matches a week in Sydney by making use of its digital channels. It seems as if Channel Ten was offering something similar for NRL. It's inconceivable that in 2013 we can have only one live NRL match on free-to-air and not a single one on a Saturday. With the advent of digital channels and online options, pay TV subscriptions will stagnate. The new deal demonstrates the commission has little regard for fans and is interested in only the dollars.
John Hanlon, Hornsby Heights
The deal is as good as it gets. The coverage is the same but the money has doubled. Plus, News has given up first and last rights. I have Foxtel and watch every game it covers. It's much better than Channel Nine and with much better commentators, who don't waffle about garbage. If you don't have Foxtel, do what I did and prioritise your spending - maybe give up the grog and smokes - but please, stop whingeing about it.
Jeff Cook, West Pennant Hills
The deal done by the NRL with Channel Nine is another kick in the guts for grassroots league fans. There are no NRL games on free-to-air TV on a Saturday, so if you don't have pay TV, tough luck. It won't take long for the free-to-air TV viewers to change their viewing to AFL. That's the only choice they have. The almighty dollar wins over the game, which without fans will slowly die. Well done to the NRL commission, you are no better than the previous managers of our game.
Paul Cullen, Tieri, Qld
The NRL has seen great growth on the back of quality coverage of the sport on television. This is a major factor that has enabled the NRL to quantify the legitimacy of such a large deal. Not to broadcast the games to the present standard and decrease the number of live games shown to potentially one a week would be a disaster for the game. It would result in a massive drop in viewers, which would reduce the amount of money spent on advertising. In five years, when broadcasting rights are renegotiated, the value would drop significantly and the game would not see its potential growth. This is a great deal financially, but sometimes short-term gains have to be considered in light of future results. The dictated scheduling ensures more night games, designed purely to keep people at home rather than attending and thereby making the NRL's already poor crowds a laughing stock among competitors. Thursday night, the awful 5.30 Saturday timeslot and Monday highlight the disregard for attending spectators. Rugby league is the only major sporting code that sells its soul for TV rights. More lucrative and popular codes such as the National Football League (US), English Premier League and the Australian Football League all play most games during daylight and their full houses help improve their product.
Andrew Bull, Sydney
The TV deal may be great for the game but not for fans. Other sports around the world showcase their sport live every week, whereas Channel Nine is not giving the fans that opportunity. Many argue that if you want to see a game live, why don't you go to the ground? Well, that's OK if you live in the city, but that's extremely hard for a supporter from the bush. Surely the next TV deal will make sure that all free-to-air games are shown live and in a way that can keep all parties happy.
Isaac Kensell, Tamworth
The NRL has looked at the short-term gain, but have not made an accurate assessment of how this will affect its fan base in western Sydney. There will be droves of fans who will miss out on the action every week and, more importantly for the code, it will have less visibility for potential fans of the next generation. This strategy of short-term gain without looking at the long-term picture is almost a carbon copy of the federal government's strategy with the mining tax, a strategy that offers short-term cash injection but has mining companies looking for somewhere else to invest. NRL fans to AFL perhaps? Works for me as an AFL fan.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-a ... z24b5g4JJO

Mostly negative comments about the NRLs tv rights Dave, and not from AFL fans, theyre from NRL fans.

Xman wrote:

All you do Dave is deal in future predictions. The AFL will..... The NRL will.....

They only make you look even more stupid. Where did this definite expansion team go? Where did better TV coverage go?

They only set you up to be an even greater failure.

This year the AFL was played in front of about 750,000 total audience across Tas, NSW/ACT and Qld, the most ever. Meanwhile the NRL has a total audience of no more than 150k in Vic, SA, WA, TAS.

Theres the difference Dave. The AFL has accepted a drop in average attendance to grow the game in new markets. The NRL now have TV coverage in AFL states and averages about 20k a game for all expansion markets

This year the AFL was played in front of about 750,000 total audience across Tas, NSW/ACT and Qld, the most ever

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

All you do Dave is deal in future predictions. The AFL will..... The NRL will.....

They only make you look even more stupid. Where did this definite expansion team go? Where did better TV coverage go?

They only set you up to be an even greater failure.

This year the AFL was played in front of about 750,000 total audience across Tas, NSW/ACT and Qld, the most ever. Meanwhile the NRL has a total audience of no more than 150k in Vic, SA, WA, TAS.

Theres the difference Dave. The AFL has accepted a drop in average attendance to grow the game in new markets. The NRL now have TV coverage in AFL states and averages about 20k a game for all expansion markets

Code: Select all

This year the AFL was played in front of about 750,000 total audience across Tas, NSW/ACT and Qld, the most ever

growth VFL style .... 766K fans in NSW & QLD in 2012... ( take out the fudging for ants & thuns it was about 700K) for 44 games at an average of 17,000

in 2006.... it was 692K for 22 games ... a net gain of just 74K for 22 games .. or ..3300 a game .. at a cost of about 220 million dollars ... & a far greater cost ... the integrity of the entire comp lost.. because 2 teams are barely any better then a u18's state side & will be for the forseeable future

so theres a chance the 2006 figure of 692K for 22 games ... will be bigger then the 2013 figure for 44 games
is this growth is it ?

no .. its a friggin debacle
good luck trying to peddle this cr@p to TV exces in 4 years

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

I never once said anything about anything other then the money
a few ney saying wind bags on LU .. have been silenced ... everyone now knows the deal is massive ... stunning ... one that will catapolt our game to a position where it can't be threatend
we have the comp
we have the money

The media rights deal is a huge win for the game. Historically the NRL has been the poor cousin to the AFL and with this new TV deal the NRL can invest in grassroots rugby league, the players and the clubs. This will ensure the long-term leadership of the NRL in Australia. The setting of a NRL fixed schedule for the first 20 rounds is a great outcome for fans. Rugby league's future is now secure, including the protection on Wednesday nights of Australia's premier sporting event, State of Origin. Free-to-air television continues to have exclusively three games with 7.30 Friday night matches for Sydney and Brisbane. The near-live game on Sunday afternoon, together with some games on Thursday and now a game on Anzac Day, are great for the fans. With many choices to follow their team, the fans are big winners.
 
... in duplicate
Advertisement
John Brady, NRL director of media.
The rights agreement represents a significant win for fans not least for the fact that it ensures their favourite teams will remain strong into the future, that those teams will be capable of attracting the best athletes and that the grassroots of the game will continue to flourish. Fans will have certainty through fixed scheduling, additional programming and key events such as the Anzac Day game, Test matches and State of Origin on free-to-air television. Television rights are the biggest single factor in determining the financial security of the clubs and the game as well as being the key platform in giving people access to the sport. This package balances the need to attract revenue, to ensure the best games are on free-to-air television and to promote attendances. It unquestionably delivered the strongest financial outcome for the game across its broadcasting assets.
 
 
This deal is not a win for fans. It is a win for the NRL administrators because they have a clear agenda under new authority to boost attendance numbers at venues. What of the fans who love the game but for whatever reason cannot make it to watch their team play or can't afford Foxtel? Channel Nine, in particular, could come to regret this deal as a short-term financial gain but an overall loss of viewer loyalty and hence a decline in its advertising revenue. It simply doesn't have the programs to make up the shortfall.
Adrian Burley, Earlwood
Make no mistake, this is a win. Many will complain that there's only one live game in Sydney every weekend but the stark reality is the more live games, the less money for the rights. To match the AFL and get four live games means maybe $200 million less from the networks. The NRL has done the right thing here. The short-term revenue is more important for now. Maybe next time the NRL will be in a better position to compromise on cash to get more live games. The fans just need to suck it up and understand the money will benefit the game in the long term.
James Reed, Caringbah
How does rugby league expect to grow a support base if it is not readily accessible to the fans of tomorrow? Limited coverage and night grand finals mean viewing on television is not practical for small children, let alone any dream of actually attending. Developing interest in sports for children is really important, and I wish league could learn more from the failures of rugby union in recent years.
Tony Carn, Rozelle
The new deal has changed virtually nothing for the fans. I appreciate the NRL's need to get the best deal possible so they can keep the best players and grow the code. The issue is delayed coverage. With the growing influence of technology in our lives, not finding out a score has become almost impossible. I have not managed to get through one delayed Channel Nine game this season without finding out the score. While the delays annoy me, it is much worse for the younger generation of fans who are not awake at 10pm on a Friday. At least the AFL lets me watch Israel Folau live.
Tim Knoblanche, Edgecliff
The new deal is a pathetic outcome for the fans who have been treated badly by Channel Nine for so long. It will contribute to more people watching AFL and fewer watching NRL. Channel Seven shows four live AFL matches a week in Sydney by making use of its digital channels. It seems as if Channel Ten was offering something similar for NRL. It's inconceivable that in 2013 we can have only one live NRL match on free-to-air and not a single one on a Saturday. With the advent of digital channels and online options, pay TV subscriptions will stagnate. The new deal demonstrates the commission has little regard for fans and is interested in only the dollars.
John Hanlon, Hornsby Heights
The deal is as good as it gets. The coverage is the same but the money has doubled. Plus, News has given up first and last rights. I have Foxtel and watch every game it covers. It's much better than Channel Nine and with much better commentators, who don't waffle about garbage. If you don't have Foxtel, do what I did and prioritise your spending - maybe give up the grog and smokes - but please, stop whingeing about it.
Jeff Cook, West Pennant Hills
The deal done by the NRL with Channel Nine is another kick in the guts for grassroots league fans. There are no NRL games on free-to-air TV on a Saturday, so if you don't have pay TV, tough luck. It won't take long for the free-to-air TV viewers to change their viewing to AFL. That's the only choice they have. The almighty dollar wins over the game, which without fans will slowly die. Well done to the NRL commission, you are no better than the previous managers of our game.
Paul Cullen, Tieri, Qld
The NRL has seen great growth on the back of quality coverage of the sport on television. This is a major factor that has enabled the NRL to quantify the legitimacy of such a large deal. Not to broadcast the games to the present standard and decrease the number of live games shown to potentially one a week would be a disaster for the game. It would result in a massive drop in viewers, which would reduce the amount of money spent on advertising. In five years, when broadcasting rights are renegotiated, the value would drop significantly and the game would not see its potential growth. This is a great deal financially, but sometimes short-term gains have to be considered in light of future results. The dictated scheduling ensures more night games, designed purely to keep people at home rather than attending and thereby making the NRL's already poor crowds a laughing stock among competitors. Thursday night, the awful 5.30 Saturday timeslot and Monday highlight the disregard for attending spectators. Rugby league is the only major sporting code that sells its soul for TV rights. More lucrative and popular codes such as the National Football League (US), English Premier League and the Australian Football League all play most games during daylight and their full houses help improve their product.
Andrew Bull, Sydney
The TV deal may be great for the game but not for fans. Other sports around the world showcase their sport live every week, whereas Channel Nine is not giving the fans that opportunity. Many argue that if you want to see a game live, why don't you go to the ground? Well, that's OK if you live in the city, but that's extremely hard for a supporter from the bush. Surely the next TV deal will make sure that all free-to-air games are shown live and in a way that can keep all parties happy.
Isaac Kensell, Tamworth
The NRL has looked at the short-term gain, but have not made an accurate assessment of how this will affect its fan base in western Sydney. There will be droves of fans who will miss out on the action every week and, more importantly for the code, it will have less visibility for potential fans of the next generation. This strategy of short-term gain without looking at the long-term picture is almost a carbon copy of the federal government's strategy with the mining tax, a strategy that offers short-term cash injection but has mining companies looking for somewhere else to invest. NRL fans to AFL perhaps? Works for me as an AFL fan.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-a ... z24b5g4JJO

Mostly negative comments about the NRLs tv rights Dave, and not from AFL fans, theyre from NRL fans.

mostly negative the day after F wit

2 weeks later theres the realisation by most except ignorant know nothings... that the job has been done
we got exactly wot our game needed at this point in time

&

you know it too
we were a pesky little sod with no cash in our pocket for the previous 5 years
look the F out .. now we've got more dough then we know what to do with ....

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

All you do Dave is deal in future predictions. The AFL will..... The NRL will.....

They only make you look even more stupid. Where did this definite expansion team go? Where did better TV coverage go?

They only set you up to be an even greater failure.

This year the AFL was played in front of about 750,000 total audience across Tas, NSW/ACT and Qld, the most ever. Meanwhile the NRL has a total audience of no more than 150k in Vic, SA, WA, TAS.

Theres the difference Dave. The AFL has accepted a drop in average attendance to grow the game in new markets. The NRL now have TV coverage in AFL states and averages about 20k a game for all expansion markets

Code: Select all

This year the AFL was played in front of about 750,000 total audience across Tas, NSW/ACT and Qld, the most ever

growth VFL style .... 766K fans in NSW & QLD in 2012... ( take out the fudging for ants & thuns it was about 700K) for 44 games at an average of 17,000

in 2006.... it was 692K for 22 games ... a net gain of just 74K for 22 games .. or ..3300 a game .. at a cost of about 220 million dollars ... & a far greater cost ... the integrity of the entire comp lost.. because 2 teams are barely any better then a u18's state side & will be for the forseeable future

so theres a chance the 2006 figure of 692K for 22 games ... will be bigger then the 2013 figure for 44 games
is this growth is it ?

no .. its a friggin debacle
good luck trying to peddle this cr@p to TV exces in 4 years

yeah, aint it interesting. despite 3 of the teams being in the bottom 4 we still saw 750k turn out to AFL games in NSW/ACT and QLD. Thats about 30% of your entire attendance total.

Meanwhile the NRL in AFL states is about 150k, or 5% of our total.