Tanking in AFL, coaches speak out.

[pookus]

Your word is better than an AFL player who was at the club.Really.lol Your opinion of yourself as you hide behind a keyboard with no accreditation is quite outstanding.Why wouldnt I believe you over a guy I have known forever.lol1]He left because he was out of contract they never let him they had NO CHOICE.2]Do you honestly believe that men who run local football teams are invested like those that do it professionally.Really.Do you really believe that Greg Swan has the same expertise as a local administrator.You are a fool.3] Do you think Scully would have left if he thought he was a chance at success.It was an easy choice.The place is a shambles.4] The fact that you refuse to believe someone on the inside who has no reason to lie is an indictment on your character not his. You are willing to slaughter someone you know nothing about in a situation you know nothing about to try to win an argument with someone you dont know.I think this makes you the KNOWWHERE MAN lol

[King-Eliagh]

The rule was changed due to misrepresentative publicity - and for no other reason.

I'm still astounded by this assumption. Again I'll say it. If this was true, why wouldnt the AFL seek to right the wrong of the media rather than perpetuating the supposed misinformation by making a relevant change in policy?

Again. It COMPLETELY defies the very fundamental reason any organisation makes policy! So its either the AFL as an organisation lacks any credibility. Or...

Ohhh TLPG, how low you will go.

[eelofwest]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/a ... 6450436364

AFL to overhaul its draft system in wake of tanking controversies

THE AFL will use a confidential formula devised by an economics professor to decide whether clubs deserve a priority draft pick.

In the wake of several "tanking" controversies that have plagued the AFL in recent seasons, the league will decide every September whether a club has qualified for extra draft assistance.

University of Melbourne professor Jeff Borland has developed a formula to objectively measure clubs' performance.

Injury rates and consistency of team performance throughout the season will be taken into account, as well as win-loss records, previous finals appearances and percentages in recent seasons.

"Special assistance is now ultimately a matter for the commission's discretion and will be awarded only in exceptional circumstances," AFL general manager of football operations Adrian Anderson said.
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"The decision of the commission to award special assistance will be based on a club's on-field performance in recent years and any other matter the commission regards as relevant.

"A confidential formula will be used to help assess recent on-field performance, but this will be only one relevant consideration."

The AFL Commission has the power to allocate priority picks in exceptional circumstances.

Previously, clubs with consecutive years of winning four games or fewer earned the right to have a priority selection before the start of the first round of that year's national draft.

As well, clubs that finished a home-and-away season with 16 points or fewer would automatically qualify for a priority concession selection after the first round of the draft in the same year as their poor-performing season.

Under the new rule, Anderson's department will make a recommendation to the commission.. It is unlikely next month that either lowly Gold Coast or Greater Western Sydney will be looked upon favourably by the commission following the generous draft concessions made to help them build from scratch.

The league revised its thinking in February by immediately abandoning the eligibility criteria for priority draft picks, which were considered controversial because of the perception clubs were prepared to "tank" to be better placed in the draft.

Anderson said feedback from clubs was unanimous that special assistance should not automatically operate after one poor season and that much stricter conditions should apply around any draft selection provided before round one of the national draft.

The commission has advised all clubs it would now be very difficult for a team to receive a priority pick after one bad year.

The last club to earn a priority pick before the start of the national draft was Melbourne in 2009 when it selected Tom Scully, now with GWS.

Carlton was the previous club to have benefited from the priority pick rule before the start of the draft by recruiting Matthew Kreuzer with the prized No 1 selection in 2007.

The Blues went winless in their final 11 games, including six for caretaker coach Brett Ratten, in order to secure Kreuzer.

Since 1997 when the recently abolished rule was established, it was utilised 26 times in 14 seasons and been activated in all years, bar one.

Under the previous rule, Gold Coast would have automatically qualified for a priority pick this year before the draft in November as it won three games last year and will not accumulate more than 16 points this season.

Meanwhile, the league has changed the rookie rules to enhance the development of local players. Clubs may now list one Irish player under the new rule that allows for three extra rookies for development players.

Irish, unlike other international players, previously took a spot on the main rookie list and this change is in recognition of the risk clubs were taking in recruiting and retaining Irish players, relative to local talent.

Clubs may now select a father-son player with a rookie pre-selection, if that player nominated for the drafts and was not selected by another club.

"All clubs were consulted concerning the current operation of the rookie list, and the rule changes approved by the commission resulted from this feedback," Anderson said.

Blind freddy can you see it yet????

Not only is there tanking but now AFL HQ decide on draft picks...... Eddie Mcguire just jumped out of his seat with Joy..

After all the AFL and Demetruio are Eddies bitches.. :D

Wow Demetruio really has a spell on you blind freddy's doesn't he...

[TLPG]

Your word is better than an AFL player who was at the club.Really.lol Your opinion of yourself as you hide behind a keyboard with no accreditation is quite outstanding.Why wouldnt I believe you over a guy I have known forever.lol

Yes my word is better in this case - because I'm unbiased. McClean is biased by hate.

1]He left because he was out of contract they never let him they had NO CHOICE.

They didn't negotiate a new contract because they knew a passionless drone when they saw one.

2]Do you honestly believe that men who run local football teams are invested like those that do it professionally.Really.Do you really believe that Greg Swan has the same expertise as a local administrator.You are a fool.

No you are, because I have seen administrators at the local level who could run rings around some of the people at AFL clubs. I know one who was an admin at a local league and is now employed by the AFL - and I'll bet that's only one of many examples.

3] Do you think Scully would have left if he thought he was a chance at success.It was an easy choice.The place is a shambles.

If it was a shambles, it was because of a piss weak coach. Like I said, Bailey was the problem well before the end of 2009. Anyway, Scully left for the money. No other reason.

4] The fact that you refuse to believe someone on the inside who has no reason to lie is an indictment on your character not his. You are willing to slaughter someone you know nothing about in a situation you know nothing about to try to win an argument with someone you dont know.I think this makes you the KNOWWHERE MAN lol

He has EVERY reason to lie. He hates Melbourne and wants to see them pay for experimenting with him and other players. He didn't like it. Well poor baby! I'll slaughter anyone who lies so wantonly for a petty cheap reason like that.

I notice you ran for it when I threatened to name drop. Well how about these names? Alan Schwab (RIP), Dean Moore, Mark Patterson, Craig Davis, Paul Roos. And that's off the top of my head.

[Xman]

Look the reality is Brock believed it was happening Bailey conceded as much.Now you can choose to believe him or choose to believe he was lying.As I have stated I KNOW the man and he is not one for lies.You people have decided for your own arguments sake that he is lying.That is what the deluded do.What possible reason would he have to lie.He went to Carlton because he wouldve landed there in the draft anyway and you are not privvy to the conversation they had to get him over.Again you are assasinating a mans character to prove a point.An intelligent man would concede that there is doubt.As the big D said in EMT the other night.Unless there is a smoking gun the AFL cant act.Not at any stage did he say Brock was wrong.

But Brock never claimed tanking did he? Hasnt he been questioned by the AFL? As far as I know if he has actually given evidence that Melbourne tanked then the club are in big strife.

I considered his comments a complaint that Melbourne were playing youth instead of established players of which he was one.

[King-Eliagh]

Your word is better than an AFL player who was at the club.Really.lol Your opinion of yourself as you hide behind a keyboard with no accreditation is quite outstanding.Why wouldnt I believe you over a guy I have known forever.lol

Yes my word is better in this case - because I'm unbiased. McClean is biased by hate.

1]He left because he was out of contract they never let him they had NO CHOICE.

They didn't negotiate a new contract because they knew a passionless drone when they saw one.

2]Do you honestly believe that men who run local football teams are invested like those that do it professionally.Really.Do you really believe that Greg Swan has the same expertise as a local administrator.You are a fool.

No you are, because I have seen administrators at the local level who could run rings around some of the people at AFL clubs. I know one who was an admin at a local league and is now employed by the AFL - and I'll bet that's only one of many examples.

3] Do you think Scully would have left if he thought he was a chance at success.It was an easy choice.The place is a shambles.

If it was a shambles, it was because of a piss weak coach. Like I said, Bailey was the problem well before the end of 2009. Anyway, Scully left for the money. No other reason.

4] The fact that you refuse to believe someone on the inside who has no reason to lie is an indictment on your character not his. You are willing to slaughter someone you know nothing about in a situation you know nothing about to try to win an argument with someone you dont know.I think this makes you the KNOWWHERE MAN lol

He has EVERY reason to lie. He hates Melbourne and wants to see them pay for experimenting with him and other players. He didn't like it. Well poor baby! I'll slaughter anyone who lies so wantonly for a petty cheap reason like that.

I notice you ran for it when I threatened to name drop. Well how about these names? Alan Schwab (RIP), Dean Moore, Mark Patterson, Craig Davis, Paul Roos. And that's off the top of my head.

Dear members and guests I hereby introduce the one and only cockbrained conundrum, the member who cant answer a question yet professes to know all, our very own biased bush umpire, T L P G! In all his glory.

[TLPG]

Dear members and guests I hereby introduce the one and only cockbrained conundrum, the member who cant answer a question yet professes to know all, our very own biased bush umpire, T L P G! In all his glory.

Dear members and guests I hereby introduce the one and only cockbrained conundrum, the member who cant answer a question yet professes to know all, our very own biased delusional racist, K E! In all his glory.

[pookus]

Your word is better than an AFL player who was at the club.Really.lol Your opinion of yourself as you hide behind a keyboard with no accreditation is quite outstanding.Why wouldnt I believe you over a guy I have known forever.lol

Yes my word is better in this case - because I'm unbiased. McClean is biased by hate.

1]He left because he was out of contract they never let him they had NO CHOICE.

They didn't negotiate a new contract because they knew a passionless drone when they saw one.

2]Do you honestly believe that men who run local football teams are invested like those that do it professionally.Really.Do you really believe that Greg Swan has the same expertise as a local administrator.You are a fool.

No you are, because I have seen administrators at the local level who could run rings around some of the people at AFL clubs. I know one who was an admin at a local league and is now employed by the AFL - and I'll bet that's only one of many examples.

3] Do you think Scully would have left if he thought he was a chance at success.It was an easy choice.The place is a shambles.

If it was a shambles, it was because of a piss weak coach. Like I said, Bailey was the problem well before the end of 2009. Anyway, Scully left for the money. No other reason.

4] The fact that you refuse to believe someone on the inside who has no reason to lie is an indictment on your character not his. You are willing to slaughter someone you know nothing about in a situation you know nothing about to try to win an argument with someone you dont know.I think this makes you the KNOWWHERE MAN lol

He has EVERY reason to lie. He hates Melbourne and wants to see them pay for experimenting with him and other players. He didn't like it. Well poor baby! I'll slaughter anyone who lies so wantonly for a petty cheap reason like that.

I notice you ran for it when I threatened to name drop. Well how about these names? Alan Schwab (RIP), Dean Moore, Mark Patterson, Craig Davis, Paul Roos. And that's off the top of my head.

Everything you have said here is bullshit.But youll never be able to explain it to someone who thinks they know what they dont.You dont know Brock and if you did you would know how stupid those statements are.Ask one of your buddies what his opinion of Brock McClean is.Paul Roos himself,your mate said Brock was a man of the highest character.Make some phone calls if you are that in the know and find out for yourself.As far as local admin being better than the big fish please.What a load of shit.Im sure the AFL would be happy to hear that there admin is no better than the local leagues.Seems that most of these guys do the job for pittance they should do some raiding and save themselves some money.Your stubborness to prove a point has made you look really silly.

[pookus]

Look the reality is Brock believed it was happening Bailey conceded as much.Now you can choose to believe him or choose to believe he was lying.As I have stated I KNOW the man and he is not one for lies.You people have decided for your own arguments sake that he is lying.That is what the deluded do.What possible reason would he have to lie.He went to Carlton because he wouldve landed there in the draft anyway and you are not privvy to the conversation they had to get him over.Again you are assasinating a mans character to prove a point.An intelligent man would concede that there is doubt.As the big D said in EMT the other night.Unless there is a smoking gun the AFL cant act.Not at any stage did he say Brock was wrong.

But Brock never claimed tanking did he? Hasnt he been questioned by the AFL? As far as I know if he has actually given evidence that Melbourne tanked then the club are in big strife.

I considered his comments a complaint that Melbourne were playing youth instead of established players of which he was one.

He claimed they werent trying to win.Demitriou said without a smoking gun it would be hard to prove. Doesnt mean it didnt happen they just did it well.

[King-Eliagh]

Hear hear pookus hear hear.

[Xman]

Look the reality is Brock believed it was happening Bailey conceded as much.Now you can choose to believe him or choose to believe he was lying.As I have stated I KNOW the man and he is not one for lies.You people have decided for your own arguments sake that he is lying.That is what the deluded do.What possible reason would he have to lie.He went to Carlton because he wouldve landed there in the draft anyway and you are not privvy to the conversation they had to get him over.Again you are assasinating a mans character to prove a point.An intelligent man would concede that there is doubt.As the big D said in EMT the other night.Unless there is a smoking gun the AFL cant act.Not at any stage did he say Brock was wrong.

But Brock never claimed tanking did he? Hasnt he been questioned by the AFL? As far as I know if he has actually given evidence that Melbourne tanked then the club are in big strife.

I considered his comments a complaint that Melbourne were playing youth instead of established players of which he was one.

He claimed they werent trying to win.Demitriou said without a smoking gun it would be hard to prove. Doesnt mean it didnt happen they just did it well.

theres a huge difference between not trying to win and deliberately trying to lose.

[TLPG]

Everything you have said here is bullshit.But youll never be able to explain it to someone who thinks they know what they dont.You dont know Brock and if you did you would know how stupid those statements are.Ask one of your buddies what his opinion of Brock McClean is.Paul Roos himself,your mate said Brock was a man of the highest character.Make some phone calls if you are that in the know and find out for yourself.As far as local admin being better than the big fish please.What a load of ****.Im sure the AFL would be happy to hear that there admin is no better than the local leagues.Seems that most of these guys do the job for pittance they should do some raiding and save themselves some money.Your stubborness to prove a point has made you look really silly.

You are the stubborn one because you continue to ignore reality, just like KE. The AFL is already looking into McClean's claims as we all know, so I don't see the need to ring anyone. It will reveal what we already know to be proven - that Melbourne did not tank. They were experimenting. And there never has been a law against that and there never will be. Roosy only defended McClean on the point of what he believed. It doesn't mean he believed McClean was absolutely right.

Anyway, just like the clubs, leagues also have a single difference at the grass roots level compared to the AFL. Turnover. Handling large amounts of money is the ONLY difference. Everything else is the same, with the obvious exception of number of clubs (varying from 3 in Ravensthorpe and King Island to 72 in the Victorian Amateurs).

I explain this all to you - and you play the same childish game as KE does. Putting your fingers in your ears and singing "lalalalala I can't hear you".

[King-Eliagh]

TLPG you never bothered to answer my question as to why an org would change their policy to adjust for something that never happened. That my friend is one hell of a contradiction which you will refuse to answer. Because you've lost the argument and you cant handle it, or the truth.

[TLPG]

I did answer the question. They changed it because of the POSSIBILITY of tanking, and the rampant negative press that was damaging the game. I said that before, and of course you ignored it.

[King-Eliagh]

Fair point but unfortunately for you it doesnt change the fact that players and coaches have made their voices clear and indicated that tanking occurred.