Fight Club - Football TV Ratings (AFL vs NRL)

[eelofwest]

Not according to the paper the other day, it was a farce. The AFL said they wont be staging matches of a Monday again. The AFL have 4 FTA games - 3 Live. The Nrl has 3 FTA games -1 live.

The AFL is not behind on Pay TV , there not even on the same page...

Our revenue is down for a good reason. And now that were no longer controlod by News Limited we will soon pass you in this area.

Ps. Im sure I read the other day that half of your clubs are relying on handouts to survive.

One thing i notice about these AFL fans is that they fail to take into account that they have more coverage this year and a extra game. This is the sole reason for the jump in ratings 2012. But these AFL bloggers would like to be one eyed and ignore these facts and say that Australia is falling in love with the australian game.
While the NRL ratings are up 6.5% and the ratings in NZ are up %30 with no extra coverage.

Pussycat the nrl has 14 of the 16 NRL clubs operating at a slight loss this year.
The AFL have some big problems on thier hands, as you said half the clubs in the AFL are operating at a loss even Swans had to sell assests to come out infront last year, some of thier melbourne clubs are operating at a loss equel to our salery cap 4 million + , now that has to be a worry for the AFL. I dont see these clubs around in future u just cant keep proping these clubs up with that sort of money.

How hypocritical are you!

The NRL now have national coverage this year. 3 FTA games shown into AFL state, averaging say 120k all up per round is an increase in ratings of 4.8% on 2.5million. Add to this Beaussie has included foxtel replays this year for the first time.

So in effect the average FTa audience for the NRL has probably gone down!

The AFL have dramatically increased their FTA ratings despite the same number of game being shown each week and now simulcast on foxtel.

All but one NRL club makes a loss each year. The only club making a profit has a heartland audience of 2 million on their own, the most of any club by a country mile. some NRL clubs can't even afford a CEO!

Most AFL clubs have an annual revenue of over 35million. That's more than every NRL club where the average is around 15million. The only reason some get assistance is to even up the revenue **** clubs. It has nothing to do with survival.

Quick question for ya Xman,
What are the operating costs to run a AFL team?
So the NRL average for Revenue might be 15million to 30 million for AFL, but take away the operating costs and its not looking good for the AFL clubs hemerroging 4million+ each year.
The AFL operatings costs are almost double the NRL teams, i see in the near Future the AFL cutting there operating costs to something more sustainable.

[eelofwest]

Yep, and includes foxtel replays and national FTA coverage for the first time. This would easily account for a small increase.

You claimed there was no change in the coverage. You lied!

Okay so our coverage time slot has been changed in melbourne from 1am to a decent hour, we now have perth coverage for the first time 2 months or so ago same with Adelaide.
So lets compare the 2.
AFL now have 1 more game each week,
1 extra FTA game, 2 extra live FTA games this year.
9 games of FOX.
Also has coverage into QLD, NSW on 7 Mate.

NRL
Have coverage into Perth,Ade, Melbourne on gem at a decent hour for the first time.
And replays as you say.

Its quite clear that the jump in audeince for the AFL comes from all the points stated above.
The NRL jump in Audience does not come from a measley change that was done 2-3 months ago.

[Xman]

One thing i notice about these AFL fans is that they fail to take into account that they have more coverage this year and a extra game. This is the sole reason for the jump in ratings 2012. But these AFL bloggers would like to be one eyed and ignore these facts and say that Australia is falling in love with the australian game.
While the NRL ratings are up 6.5% and the ratings in NZ are up %30 with no extra coverage.

Pussycat the nrl has 14 of the 16 NRL clubs operating at a slight loss this year.
The AFL have some big problems on thier hands, as you said half the clubs in the AFL are operating at a loss even Swans had to sell assests to come out infront last year, some of thier melbourne clubs are operating at a loss equel to our salery cap 4 million + , now that has to be a worry for the AFL. I dont see these clubs around in future u just cant keep proping these clubs up with that sort of money.

How hypocritical are you!

The NRL now have national coverage this year. 3 FTA games shown into AFL state, averaging say 120k all up per round is an increase in ratings of 4.8% on 2.5million. Add to this Beaussie has included foxtel replays this year for the first time.

So in effect the average FTa audience for the NRL has probably gone down!

The AFL have dramatically increased their FTA ratings despite the same number of game being shown each week and now simulcast on foxtel.

All but one NRL club makes a loss each year. The only club making a profit has a heartland audience of 2 million on their own, the most of any club by a country mile. some NRL clubs can't even afford a CEO!

Most AFL clubs have an annual revenue of over 35million. That's more than every NRL club where the average is around 15million. The only reason some get assistance is to even up the revenue **** clubs. It has nothing to do with survival.

Quick question for ya Xman,
What are the operating costs to run a AFL team?
So the NRL average for Revenue might be 15million to 30 million for AFL, but take away the operating costs and its not looking good for the AFL clubs hemerroging 4million+ each year.
The AFL operatings costs are almost double the NRL teams, i see in the near Future the AFL cutting there operating costs to something more sustainable.

Heres your answer: collingwood have an annual revenue of 75m yet only make a profit of around 1-2 mil. Melbourne demons have an annual revenue of around 30m but make a profit. Why? Collingwood spend what they earn. They have the best facilities and support staff. Melbourne spend what they earn. They have a tighter budget and manage accordingly.
AFL clubs are non profit organizations. They spend what they earn and budget for it. If their years spending is over their revenue they post a loss. If they don't earn quite as much as they estimated they post a loss. It has nothing to do with viability. Example: Essendon posted a loss in 2010 despite making a yearly revenue of nearly 45m. Why? Because they terminated their coach and paid his contract out to the tune of a few million. This wasn't budgeted for and they made a loss. Are the bombers struggling financially? Hardly!

The recent financial figures released about AFL teams showed a number of teams in debt. Yet these were the wealthiest teams and related to serviceable devt for investment in facilities.

I can sure you a billion dollar industry like the AFL is secure. Meanwhile some NRL clubs can't even afford a CEO!

That's a big difference.

[Xman]

Yep, and includes foxtel replays and national FTA coverage for the first time. This would easily account for a small increase.

You claimed there was no change in the coverage. You lied!

Okay so our coverage time slot has been changed in melbourne from 1am to a decent hour, we now have perth coverage for the first time 2 months or so ago same with Adelaide.
So lets compare the 2.
AFL now have 1 more game each week,
1 extra FTA game, 2 extra live FTA games this year.
9 games of FOX.
Also has coverage into QLD, NSW on 7 Mate.

NRL
Have coverage into Perth,Ade, Melbourne on gem at a decent hour for the first time.
And replays as you say.

Its quite clear that the jump in audeince for the AFL comes from all the points stated above.
The NRL jump in Audience does not come from a measley change that was done 2-3 months ago.

We have improved our coverage and increase ratings by 37% =D>

But In reality the AFL still have the same number of FTA games and only have 11% more games per week. The biggest change is we now enjoy a proportion of live games which we never had before. Essentially though, because of scheduling games which are shown concurrently each audience is still only able to watch 5 - 6 games over a weekend. So the audience is split. It's not as if every fan can watch 9 games unless they record the games and watch them later which isn't counted in the ratings. The 7 mate ratings into NSW and Qld are less than on the main channel last year, which is consistent for secondary digital channels, so the ratings into these states hasn't improved on last year.

The NRL have increased their coverage to a national audience, yet barely increased ratings at all once foxtel replays are taken into account.

[eelofwest]

How hypocritical are you!

The NRL now have national coverage this year. 3 FTA games shown into AFL state, averaging say 120k all up per round is an increase in ratings of 4.8% on 2.5million. Add to this Beaussie has included foxtel replays this year for the first time.

So in effect the average FTa audience for the NRL has probably gone down!

The AFL have dramatically increased their FTA ratings despite the same number of game being shown each week and now simulcast on foxtel.

All but one NRL club makes a loss each year. The only club making a profit has a heartland audience of 2 million on their own, the most of any club by a country mile. some NRL clubs can't even afford a CEO!

Most AFL clubs have an annual revenue of over 35million. That's more than every NRL club where the average is around 15million. The only reason some get assistance is to even up the revenue **** clubs. It has nothing to do with survival.

Quick question for ya Xman,
What are the operating costs to run a AFL team?
So the NRL average for Revenue might be 15million to 30 million for AFL, but take away the operating costs and its not looking good for the AFL clubs hemerroging 4million+ each year.
The AFL operatings costs are almost double the NRL teams, i see in the near Future the AFL cutting there operating costs to something more sustainable.

Heres your answer: collingwood have an annual revenue of 75m yet only make a profit of around 1-2 mil. Melbourne demons have an annual revenue of around 30m but make a profit. Why? Collingwood spend what they earn. They have the best facilities and support staff. Melbourne spend what they earn. They have a tighter budget and manage accordingly.
AFL clubs are non profit organizations. They spend what they earn and budget for it. If their years spending is over their revenue they post a loss. If they don't earn quite as much as they estimated they post a loss. It has nothing to do with viability. Example: Essendon posted a loss in 2010 despite making a yearly revenue of nearly 45m. Why? Because they terminated their coach and paid his contract out to the tune of a few million. This wasn't budgeted for and they made a loss. Are the bombers struggling financially? Hardly!

The recent financial figures released about AFL teams showed a number of teams in debt. Yet these were the wealthiest teams and related to serviceable devt for investment in facilities.

I can sure you a billion dollar industry like the AFL is secure. Meanwhile some NRL clubs can't even afford a CEO!

That's a big difference.

So you cant answer the questions, thats fine you only have to say so and not bring on all this dribble about Collingwood and Essendon.
What are the operating costs of a AFL club was the question? do you have reading difficulties Xman?

[eelofwest]

Yep, and includes foxtel replays and national FTA coverage for the first time. This would easily account for a small increase.

You claimed there was no change in the coverage. You lied!

Okay so our coverage time slot has been changed in melbourne from 1am to a decent hour, we now have perth coverage for the first time 2 months or so ago same with Adelaide.
So lets compare the 2.
AFL now have 1 more game each week,
1 extra FTA game, 2 extra live FTA games this year.
9 games of FOX.
Also has coverage into QLD, NSW on 7 Mate.

NRL
Have coverage into Perth,Ade, Melbourne on gem at a decent hour for the first time.
And replays as you say.

Its quite clear that the jump in audeince for the AFL comes from all the points stated above.
The NRL jump in Audience does not come from a measley change that was done 2-3 months ago.

We have improved our coverage and increase ratings by 37% =D>

But In reality the AFL still have the same number of FTA games and only have 11% more games per week. The biggest change is we now enjoy a proportion of live games which we never had before. Essentially though, because of scheduling games which are shown concurrently each audience is still only able to watch 5 - 6 games over a weekend. So the audience is split. It's not as if every fan can watch 9 games unless they record the games and watch them later which isn't counted in the ratings. The 7 mate ratings into NSW and Qld are less than on the main channel last year, which is consistent for secondary digital channels, so the ratings into these states hasn't improved on last year.

The NRL have increased their coverage to a national audience, yet barely increased ratings at all once foxtel replays are taken into account.

Ill take a quote from our freind raider dave.

Butbutbut. your whole post is dribble and a lame attempt at excuses.

[Xman]

Quick question for ya Xman,
What are the operating costs to run a AFL team?
So the NRL average for Revenue might be 15million to 30 million for AFL, but take away the operating costs and its not looking good for the AFL clubs hemerroging 4million+ each year.
The AFL operatings costs are almost double the NRL teams, i see in the near Future the AFL cutting there operating costs to something more sustainable.

Heres your answer: collingwood have an annual revenue of 75m yet only make a profit of around 1-2 mil. Melbourne demons have an annual revenue of around 30m but make a profit. Why? Collingwood spend what they earn. They have the best facilities and support staff. Melbourne spend what they earn. They have a tighter budget and manage accordingly.
AFL clubs are non profit organizations. They spend what they earn and budget for it. If their years spending is over their revenue they post a loss. If they don't earn quite as much as they estimated they post a loss. It has nothing to do with viability. Example: Essendon posted a loss in 2010 despite making a yearly revenue of nearly 45m. Why? Because they terminated their coach and paid his contract out to the tune of a few million. This wasn't budgeted for and they made a loss. Are the bombers struggling financially? Hardly!

The recent financial figures released about AFL teams showed a number of teams in debt. Yet these were the wealthiest teams and related to serviceable devt for investment in facilities.

I can sure you a billion dollar industry like the AFL is secure. Meanwhile some NRL clubs can't even afford a CEO!

That's a big difference.

So you cant answer the questions, thats fine you only have to say so and not bring on all this dribble about Collingwood and Essendon.
What are the operating costs of a AFL club was the question? do you have reading difficulties Xman?

They vary from club to club according to their wealth. Richer clubs spend more because they can. Leaner clubs spend less because they must. None are without sponsors or CEOs I can assure you. How about the NrL.

[Xman]

Okay so our coverage time slot has been changed in melbourne from 1am to a decent hour, we now have perth coverage for the first time 2 months or so ago same with Adelaide.
So lets compare the 2.
AFL now have 1 more game each week,
1 extra FTA game, 2 extra live FTA games this year.
9 games of FOX.
Also has coverage into QLD, NSW on 7 Mate.

NRL
Have coverage into Perth,Ade, Melbourne on gem at a decent hour for the first time.
And replays as you say.

Its quite clear that the jump in audeince for the AFL comes from all the points stated above.
The NRL jump in Audience does not come from a measley change that was done 2-3 months ago.

We have improved our coverage and increase ratings by 37% =D>

But In reality the AFL still have the same number of FTA games and only have 11% more games per week. The biggest change is we now enjoy a proportion of live games which we never had before. Essentially though, because of scheduling games which are shown concurrently each audience is still only able to watch 5 - 6 games over a weekend. So the audience is split. It's not as if every fan can watch 9 games unless they record the games and watch them later which isn't counted in the ratings. The 7 mate ratings into NSW and Qld are less than on the main channel last year, which is consistent for secondary digital channels, so the ratings into these states hasn't improved on last year.

The NRL have increased their coverage to a national audience, yet barely increased ratings at all once foxtel replays are taken into account.

Ill take a quote from our freind raider dave.

Butbutbut. your whole post is dribble and a lame attempt at excuses.

No butting here champ. The AFL have increased by only one game per round but now have fantastic national coverage and now 37% more people are watching the game on TV. All this for a cool 1.253 bil! :D

The NrL, the supposed TV sport! Has finally achieved national coverage, but despite including rep games, more watchable games per round, and a longer season, are left in our wake and are crying out "what about me, it isn't fair, I've had enough, now I want my share........."

[piesman2011]

The NRL for the last 5 years have had more games that you can watch. That and more PTV subs are the main reason behind the ratings being similar to the AFLs. On the plus side now it is easy to watch AFL in any state except Victoria because your local teams are alway on FTA TV (like being a Broncos supporter). Imagine how much more money AFL would have gotten if they had sold the local teams TV rights to Foxtel.

[pussycat]

Pussycat do you have a list of highest rating matches, PTV and FTA combined?

AFL Col v Ess 1709
NRL Test 1706
AFL Carl v Col 1497
AFL Col v Gel 1471
AFL Haw v Col 1343
AFL StK v Fre 1310
AFL Fre v Carl 1293
AFL Rich v Carl 1250
AFL Col v WBg 1220
NRL all stars 1218
NRL Wst v Bris 1197
NRL Para v Cby 1194
AFL Ess v WCst 1193
NRL StG v Wst 1187
AFL Gel v Haw 1180
NRL Newc v StG 1179
NRL StG v Newc 1167
AFL GWS v Syd 1167
NRL Bris v Man 1159
AFL Ess v Rich 1150
NRL Parra v Pen 1074
AFL StK v Carl 1036
NRL Cro v Melb 1033
NRL Parra v Bris 1014
AFL Bris v Carl 1013
NRL Wst v NZ 999
AFL GCst v Ess 993
AFL Ess v WCst 979
AFL Melb v Haw 973
NRL Wst v Sths 963
AFL Wcst v Haw 939
NRL Sths v Cby 901
NRL Bris v StG 895
NRL Parra v Wst 893
NRL Bris v NQ 886
NRL City v Cty 860
AFL Free v Gel 843
NRL Sths v StG 837
AFL Melb v StK 793



The highest rating PTV matches for 2012


NRL Est v Stg ... 390
NRL Cron v Stg … 373
NRL Rd8. Melb V NZ ... 352
NRL Cron v Sths ... 347
NRL Rd1. Pen v Canb … 343
NRL Rd1. Canb v Melb … 337
NRL Bris v Warr ... 335
NRL Rd5. Man v Pen … 332
NRL Rd1. Sths Est … 321
NRL Rd5. Canb v NQ … 317
Nrl Pen v Sts 313
NRL Rd4 West v Canb … 310
NRL Parra v NZ … 307
NRL NQ v Newc ... 304
NRL Rd.8 Sths v NQld ... 301
NRL NQ v Pen ... 297
NRL R3. NQ v Parra … 296
NRL NZ v Est ... 291
NRL Newc v Penr ... 291
NRL Rd3. Gcst v Melb … 290
NRL Rd6. Gct v Est … 289
NRL R3. Cron v Manly … 289
NRL Rd 7. Melb. V Canb … 286
NRL R4. Stg v Manly … 283
NRL R2. Melb v Sths … 279
NRL Rd2. Canb v Stg … 270
NRL Rd 5. Parr vg Manly … 266
NRL Panth v Storm ... 264
NRL R7. Man v Gcst … 259
NRL Rd 7 Cron v Parra … 257
NRL Rd 5. Pen v Cron … 256
NRL Cby v V Cron ... 256

[Xman]

Pussycat do you have a list of highest rating matches, PTV and FTA combined?

AFL Col v Ess 1709
NRL Test 1706
AFL Carl v Col 1497
AFL Col v Gel 1471
AFL Haw v Col 1343
AFL StK v Fre 1310
AFL Fre v Carl 1293
AFL Rich v Carl 1250
AFL Col v WBg 1220
NRL all stars 1218
NRL Wst v Bris 1197
NRL Para v Cby 1194
AFL Ess v WCst 1193
NRL StG v Wst 1187
AFL Gel v Haw 1180
NRL Newc v StG 1179
NRL StG v Newc 1167
AFL GWS v Syd 1167
NRL Bris v Man 1159
AFL Ess v Rich 1150
NRL Parra v Pen 1074
AFL StK v Carl 1036
NRL Cro v Melb 1033
NRL Parra v Bris 1014
AFL Bris v Carl 1013
NRL Wst v NZ 999
AFL GCst v Ess 993
AFL Ess v WCst 979
AFL Melb v Haw 973
NRL Wst v Sths 963
AFL Wcst v Haw 939
NRL Sths v Cby 901
NRL Bris v StG 895
NRL Parra v Wst 893
NRL Bris v NQ 886
NRL City v Cty 860
AFL Free v Gel 843
NRL Sths v StG 837
AFL Melb v StK 793



The highest rating PTV matches for 2012


NRL Est v Stg ... 390
NRL Cron v Stg … 373
NRL Rd8. Melb V NZ ... 352
NRL Cron v Sths ... 347
NRL Rd1. Pen v Canb … 343
NRL Rd1. Canb v Melb … 337
NRL Bris v Warr ... 335
NRL Rd5. Man v Pen … 332
NRL Rd1. Sths Est … 321
NRL Rd5. Canb v NQ … 317
Nrl Pen v Sts 313
NRL Rd4 West v Canb … 310
NRL Parra v NZ … 307
NRL NQ v Newc ... 304
NRL Rd.8 Sths v NQld ... 301
NRL NQ v Pen ... 297
NRL R3. NQ v Parra … 296
NRL NZ v Est ... 291
NRL Newc v Penr ... 291
NRL Rd3. Gcst v Melb … 290
NRL Rd6. Gct v Est … 289
NRL R3. Cron v Manly … 289
NRL Rd 7. Melb. V Canb … 286
NRL R4. Stg v Manly … 283
NRL R2. Melb v Sths … 279
NRL Rd2. Canb v Stg … 270
NRL Rd 5. Parr vg Manly … 266
NRL Panth v Storm ... 264
NRL R7. Man v Gcst … 259
NRL Rd 7 Cron v Parra … 257
NRL Rd 5. Pen v Cron … 256
NRL Cby v V Cron ... 256

Ahhh, that's not what he was asking for. Do you have a list showing the combine ratings Of games shown concurrently? We all know the NRL have few, which means their entire audience get to watch each game. Where as the majority of the AFLs ratings are split between games shown at the same time.

This would give us an insite into which code has the larger audience.

[pussycat]

The Top list is the two combined. ***Take special note , the NRL do not have combined matches - just using our 3 FTA matches against your 4 combined matches there not a lot of difference. As far as PTV goes there no contest, I mean - No Contest

[Xman]

The Top list is the two combined. ***Take special note , the NRL do not have combined matches - just using our 3 FTA matches against your 4 combined matches there not a lot of difference. As far as PTV goes there no contest, I mean - No Contest

Again you've failed. The AFLs FTA matches should be combined with the appropriate payTV game. The other payTv games should also be combined since they are shown at the same time.

[pussycat]

Fox is not a synonym for PAY TV. IF ones wants to talk about PAY TV then one needs to include the AUstar and Optus Vision results. Both of these significantly lift the NRL results. NRL doesn't just win the PAY TV results it bolts in.

OF course one does not expect to see that on this site given NZ numbers are not allowed. Regional s are not allowed etc etc

Im not sure if Optus still has a PTV network, If it does it doesn't cover the NRL.I think both Fox & Austar are both counted, anyrate Fox has recently taken over Austar.

[pussycat]

The Top list is the two combined. ***Take special note , the NRL do not have combined matches - just using our 3 FTA matches against your 4 combined matches there not a lot of difference. As far as PTV goes there no contest, I mean - No Contest

Again you've failed. The AFLs payTV matches are shown at the same time. They need to be added too.

??????????????????????????????? would you like to use them twice maybe if you doubled up on everything the AFL would be able to compete =D>