Fight Club - Football TV Ratings (AFL vs NRL)

[pussycat]

How long will it take you to realize the AFLs games are split into multiple markets and on FTA and payTV? The first week (round 3) where each market watched a FTa game it rated 762k. The next sunday rated 800k. The next week rated 1284k. Have any NRL Sunday telecasts rated these figures this year? I'd say no.

Before we go any further i would like your to prove your statements?

Add the numbers up on this site dopey!

We have, it gets more embarassing every week It was so embarassing this week Beau couldn't bring himself to put the AFL total up

[Xman]

Before we go any further i would like your to prove your statements?

Add the numbers up on this site dopey!

We have, it gets more embarassing every week It was so embarassing this week Beau couldn't bring himself to put the AFL total up

I guess you missed this part of my last post:

AFL Rnd 7:
Total metro FTA ratings: 2,411,000
Total national Fox ratings: 1,715,000
Total: 4126,000

UP 600k on last round on FTA
UP 200k on last round on Fox

[pussycat]

AFL Rnd 7:
Total metro FTA ratings: 2,411,000
Total national Fox ratings: 1,715,000
Total: 4126,000

UP 600k on last round on FTA
UP 200k on last round on Fox

Many more of your games are live this year, You have almost twice as many games on PTV. Also you played a match on monday.

Given all these condition, If the figures wer'nt up than your game was in worse shape than imagineable

These are the embarrassing figures you AFL people need to accept. These figures arent all hocus pocus and presented in such a way as to look good - just the real cold hard facts!


Despite all the promoting of AFL on Fox in 2012, giving you your own channel etc. Your average for rd7 this year was just 191 While in 2011 rd7 your average was 202

After all the chest beating and carry on about more matches being shown live this year here are the figures - the real ones Melboune FTA matches for RD7 2012 averaged just 293 (one played monday night) . For the same Round last year the average Melbourne game got 302

[piesman2011]

Eh Sunday games, Xman i know your excited when you want to get your point across but mate just a little tip for ya. Once you have typed your reply proof read it so you don't look like such a dumb arse all the time. =D>

1st april
http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2012/04/sun ... -2012.html
8th april
http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2012/04/sun ... -2012.html
15th April
http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2012/04/sun ... -2012.html
22nd April
http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2012/04/sun ... -2012.html
29th April
http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2012/04/sun ... -2012.html


No the AFL does not even make the top 20 on tele on Sunday Xman no contest as you say.

AFL is in the top 20 for a few of those broadcasts. It is also on 7mate and foxtel so when you combine those ratings even with regionals the AFL is well infront.

[piesman2011]

AFL Rnd 7:
Total metro FTA ratings: 2,411,000
Total national Fox ratings: 1,715,000
Total: 4126,000

UP 600k on last round on FTA
UP 200k on last round on Fox

Many more of your games are live this year, You have almost twice as many games on PTV. Also you played a match on monday.

Given all these condition, If the figures wer'nt up than your game was in worse shape than imagineable


These are the embarrassing figures you AFL people need to accept. These figures arent all hocus pocus and presented in such a way as to look good - just the real cold hard facts!


Despite all the promoting of AFL on Fox in 2012, giving you your own channel etc. Your average for rd7 this year was just 191 While in 2011 rd7 your average was 202

After all the chest beating and carry on about more matches being shown live this year here are the figures - the real ones Melboune FTA matches for RD7 2012 averaged just 293 (one played monday night) . For the same Round last year the average Melbourne game got 302

The AFL had 8 games a week last year with 22 rounds. 4 FTA games and 4 foxtel games. Now they have 9 games a week with 4 FTA games and 5 semi exclusive games to fox. The only real differences is that the AFL now has an extra foxtel game which has been broadcast in the same time slot as 2 other games (sat afternoon) and more live content. The simulcast games dont change the overall ratings because if you can watch them on FTA the same as you could last year.
By the way the averages on Fox wont really go up because there are more games to watch at the same time. All cities except Melbourne have a mostly live FTA feed into their cities even when the games are on fox. Imagine the extra subscriptions and viewers fox could get if 10 Westcoast and Adelaide games were exclusive to Foxtel. The numbers would be big. At the moment we are getting games with a fox average of 190K with FTA ratings for the same game being 150-1000K metro as well as another game or two being played at the same time.

[pussycat]

Last year you had 4 PTV matches this year you have 9. Is it any wonder your total is up? All games on Fox and nearly all games on FTA are live. If you have a long winded competition, not well thought out, matche competing against each other - Then who's fault is that? The point remains your 2012 average ratings for the latest round were down on the same time in 2011 both FTA in Melbourne and pay TV.

And also, in rd7 2011 your highest FTA ratings, for a game in Melbourne, was 417k this year just 325k. In Rd7 2011 your highest PTV ratings for a single match was 274k ... this year 258k.

[Xman]

Despite only having 1 extra game or 11% extra games per week on tv the AFLs coverage is up a massive 37% on last year.

Why? Because for the first time the AFL now enjoys a proportion of live games which are shown on FTA or foxtel.

But the fact remains, last year there were 8 games shown per week, this year there are 9. But there are still only 4 FTA games, and 5 exclusive payTV games as opposed to 4 last year.

The increase is massive and will ensure an extra 45m viewers for the year ensuring the AFL wins the cumulative rating count by a cool 30million or so.

These figures don't even take into account the fact that the AFL is averaged over 3 hours and at least 6 of the games clash with another game on TV.

AFL is The jewel in Australia's TV sporting crown! =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

[piesman2011]

Last year you had 4 PTV matches this year you have 9. Is it any wonder your total is up?

9 FTA games? no we have 4 FTA games, sometimes NSW, Qld, SA and WA have 5 because of them getting to see their two teams on 7mate.

All games on Fox and nearly all games on FTA are live.

Again just wrong melbourne get 3 out of 4 live and some of the other states get less then that eg WA.

If you have a long winded competition, not well thought out, matche competing against each other - Then who's fault is that?

It is thought out to suit people going to the games not for TV ratings. That probabaly the major differece between that codes. One is to help the TV networks make money the other is there for people to go to the games.

The point remains your 2012 average ratings for the latest round were down on the same time in 2011 both FTA in Melbourne and pay TV.

Source? I dont think you have your facts right. Are you saying that the average ratings are down because to me the ratings for round 7 are way up
round 7 2011 3.4 million (metro + fox)
round 7 2012 4 million + (metro + fox)
Wookie did some statistics in bf today which showed total ratings for FTA and foxtel up by 37% even though there is only 1 more match (about 11% increase in matches)

And also, in rd7 2011 your highest FTA ratings, for a game in Melbourne, was 417k this year just 325k. In Rd7 2011 your highest PTV ratings for a single match was 274k ... this year 258k.

highest ratings? It is simulcast which means overall ratings are way up. Oh and by the way the 258k rating this week was also simulcast with a overall national rating posted in the hun as 1.1 million. You can pick and choose ratings for PTV and FTA but the AFL now is a simulcast beast which means that by taking the ratings from only PTV or from only FTA you are making yourself look like a bit of a dill.

[pussycat]

Last year you had 4 PTV matches this year you have 9. Is it any wonder your total is up?

9 FTA games? no we have 4 FTA games, sometimes NSW, Qld, SA and WA have 5 because of them getting to see their two teams on 7mate.

All games on Fox and nearly all games on FTA are live.

Again just wrong melbourne get 3 out of 4 live and some of the other states get less then that eg WA.

If you have a long winded competition, not well thought out, matche competing against each other - Then who's fault is that?

It is thought out to suit people going to the games not for TV ratings. That probabaly the major differece between that codes. One is to help the TV networks make money the other is there for people to go to the games.

The point remains your 2012 average ratings for the latest round were down on the same time in 2011 both FTA in Melbourne and pay TV.

Source? I dont think you have your facts right. Are you saying that the average ratings are down because to me the ratings for round 7 are way up
round 7 2011 3.4 million (metro + fox)
round 7 2012 4 million + (metro + fox)
Wookie did some statistics in bf today which showed total ratings for FTA and foxtel up by 37% even though there is only 1 more match (about 11% increase in matches)

And also, in rd7 2011 your highest FTA ratings, for a game in Melbourne, was 417k this year just 325k. In Rd7 2011 your highest PTV ratings for a single match was 274k ... this year 258k.

highest ratings? It is simulcast which means overall ratings are way up. Oh and by the way the 258k rating this week was also simulcast with a overall national rating posted in the hun as 1.1 million. You can pick and choose ratings for PTV and FTA but the AFL now is a simulcast beast which means that by taking the ratings from only PTV or from only FTA you are making yourself look like a bit of a dill.

Last year you had 4 Pay Tv Matches this year you have 9 that is a fact!

According to the fox adds every game(PTV) is live.

Most FTA games are live. WA might be an exception - delayed so they can be shown in prime time.

If that is the case , then why are the AFL in discussion to shorten matches? why do they often play matches thursday night ? Just last week Monday night. Introduced an 8 team finals system. Anything to do with TV ratings??

I have no source. I added them up myself - feel free to check them...Total ratings are up,
thats not in dispute, But, as I said before it is because of no other reason than you have a heap more matches.

If you want to talk about TV ratings, which is what this thread is about, then theres to categories - FTA and PTV, they are seperate categories, there the ones that matter to Stokes or Murdoch - whoever. They have no real interest in simulcast figures. If you want to talk about viewer numbers, then thats something else. For starters the NRL has teams in Newcastle, Woolongong. Canberra, Gold Coast and Townsvile - 40% of The NRL audience that the AFL dont like to admitt exist. They make every excuse not to count this section of our audience - and then what about the NZ warriors, a team in the NRL but there home viewers dont exist according to the AFL.

[eelofwest]

Last year you had 4 PTV matches this year you have 9. Is it any wonder your total is up?

9 FTA games? no we have 4 FTA games, sometimes NSW, Qld, SA and WA have 5 because of them getting to see their two teams on 7mate.

All games on Fox and nearly all games on FTA are live.

Again just wrong melbourne get 3 out of 4 live and some of the other states get less then that eg WA.

If you have a long winded competition, not well thought out, matche competing against each other - Then who's fault is that?

It is thought out to suit people going to the games not for TV ratings. That probabaly the major differece between that codes. One is to help the TV networks make money the other is there for people to go to the games.

The point remains your 2012 average ratings for the latest round were down on the same time in 2011 both FTA in Melbourne and pay TV.

Source? I dont think you have your facts right. Are you saying that the average ratings are down because to me the ratings for round 7 are way up
round 7 2011 3.4 million (metro + fox)
round 7 2012 4 million + (metro + fox)
Wookie did some statistics in bf today which showed total ratings for FTA and foxtel up by 37% even though there is only 1 more match (about 11% increase in matches)

And also, in rd7 2011 your highest FTA ratings, for a game in Melbourne, was 417k this year just 325k. In Rd7 2011 your highest PTV ratings for a single match was 274k ... this year 258k.

highest ratings? It is simulcast which means overall ratings are way up. Oh and by the way the 258k rating this week was also simulcast with a overall national rating posted in the hun as 1.1 million. You can pick and choose ratings for PTV and FTA but the AFL now is a simulcast beast which means that by taking the ratings from only PTV or from only FTA you are making yourself look like a bit of a dill.

Last year you had 4 Pay Tv Matches this year you have 9 that is a fact!

According to the fox adds every game(PTV) is live.

Most FTA games are live. WA might be an exception - delayed so they can be shown in prime time.

If that is the case , then why are the AFL in discussion to shorten matches? why do they often play matches thursday night ? Just last week Monday night. Introduced an 8 team finals system. Anything to do with TV ratings??

I have no source. I added them up myself - feel free to check them...Total ratings are up,
thats not in dispute, But, as I said before it is because of no other reason than you have a heap more matches.

If you want to talk about TV ratings, which is what this thread is about, then theres to categories - FTA and PTV, they are seperate categories, there the ones that matter to Stokes or Murdoch - whoever. They have no real interest in simulcast figures. If you want to talk about viewer numbers, then thats something else. For starters the NRL has teams in Newcastle, Woolongong. Canberra, Gold Coast and Townsvile - 40% of The NRL audience that the AFL dont like to admitt exist. They make every excuse not to count this section of our audience - and then what about the NZ warriors, a team in the NRL but there home viewers dont exist according to the AFL.

Yeah cat its funny how they like to ignore the regionals.

Anyhow here is paytv for the week.

NRL Round 10
Saturnday
LIVE: NRL KNIGHTS V COWBOYS FOX SPORTS 2 304,000
LIVE: NRL WARRIORS V ROOSTERS FOX SPORTS 2 291,000 NZ FOX NRL: 144,100 = 435,100
Sunday
LIVE: NRL EELS V RAIDERS FOX SPORTS 2 209,000
Monday
LIVE: NRL PANTHERS V DRAGONS FOX SPORTS 2 313,000

Total 4 games 1 bye = 1261,100 average = 315,275


AFL
Friday
LIVE: AFL MELBOURNE V HAWTHORN FOX FOOTY 187,000

Saturnday

LIVE: AFL RICHMOND V SYDNEY FOX FOOTY 256,000

LIVE: AFL ESSENDON V WEST COAST FOX SPORTS 1 178,000

LIVE: AFL ADELAIDE V GEELONG FOX FOOTY 168,000

LIVE: AFL LIONS V COLLINGWOOD FOX FOOTY 153,000

LIVE: AFL GWS V GOLD COAST FOX SPORTS 1 118,000

Sunday
LIVE: AFL PORT ADE V FREMANTLE 223,000

LIVE: AFL NORTH MEL V WBD 175,000

Monday
LIVE: AFL ST KILDA V CARLTON FOX FOOTY 258,000


Total 9 games = 1716,000 average = 190,000

NRL = 315,275
AFL = 190,000

Winning :D

[Xman]

What's ridiculous is that you two fools assume that 2 matches shown at the same time should both achieve full ratings potential. just because a game is shown on two different channels this doesn't increase the number of people who want to watch the product overall. It splits the audience.

If the NRL was shown on ch7 and ch9 at the same time would the ratings be 1.1m for each channel?

You know they wouldn't . So until you can get this point into your pea sized brains the argument is pointless.

All that matters is that the AFL get over 1m ratings four times per weekend, and the NRL quite a bit less.

[pussycat]

We dont assume that at all ! We realise the AFL has a ridiculous competition , set out in a comical , longwinded & complex manner.

The fairest way of determining what competition has the most viewers, without all the overlapping matches and repeat viewers, is to look at the highest rating match in each code and see which one atracted the most viewers.

[piesman2011]

Last year you had 4 PTV matches this year you have 9. Is it any wonder your total is up?

9 FTA games? no we have 4 FTA games, sometimes NSW, Qld, SA and WA have 5 because of them getting to see their two teams on 7mate.

All games on Fox and nearly all games on FTA are live.

Again just wrong melbourne get 3 out of 4 live and some of the other states get less then that eg WA.

If you have a long winded competition, not well thought out, matche competing against each other - Then who's fault is that?

It is thought out to suit people going to the games not for TV ratings. That probabaly the major differece between that codes. One is to help the TV networks make money the other is there for people to go to the games.

The point remains your 2012 average ratings for the latest round were down on the same time in 2011 both FTA in Melbourne and pay TV.

Source? I dont think you have your facts right. Are you saying that the average ratings are down because to me the ratings for round 7 are way up
round 7 2011 3.4 million (metro + fox)
round 7 2012 4 million + (metro + fox)
Wookie did some statistics in bf today which showed total ratings for FTA and foxtel up by 37% even though there is only 1 more match (about 11% increase in matches)

And also, in rd7 2011 your highest FTA ratings, for a game in Melbourne, was 417k this year just 325k. In Rd7 2011 your highest PTV ratings for a single match was 274k ... this year 258k.

highest ratings? It is simulcast which means overall ratings are way up. Oh and by the way the 258k rating this week was also simulcast with a overall national rating posted in the hun as 1.1 million. You can pick and choose ratings for PTV and FTA but the AFL now is a simulcast beast which means that by taking the ratings from only PTV or from only FTA you are making yourself look like a bit of a dill.

Last year you had 4 Pay Tv Matches this year you have 9 that is a fact!

According to the fox adds every game(PTV) is live.

Most FTA games are live. WA might be an exception - delayed so they can be shown in prime time.

If that is the case , then why are the AFL in discussion to shorten matches? why do they often play matches thursday night ? Just last week Monday night. Introduced an 8 team finals system. Anything to do with TV ratings??

I have no source. I added them up myself - feel free to check them...Total ratings are up,
thats not in dispute, But, as I said before it is because of no other reason than you have a heap more matches.

If you want to talk about TV ratings, which is what this thread is about, then theres to categories - FTA and PTV, they are seperate categories, there the ones that matter to Stokes or Murdoch - whoever. They have no real interest in simulcast figures. If you want to talk about viewer numbers, then thats something else. For starters the NRL has teams in Newcastle, Woolongong. Canberra, Gold Coast and Townsvile - 40% of The NRL audience that the AFL dont like to admitt exist. They make every excuse not to count this section of our audience - and then what about the NZ warriors, a team in the NRL but there home viewers dont exist according to the AFL.

My bad I misread 9 PTV and 9 FTA. I stand by the rest of my statements. As for simulcast numbers and there being no real interest, I totally disagree. This thread is about ratings and to disregard half of your ratings to make your argument is quite nieve. I personally have never disregarded regionals in a ratings thread, because this is not about money it is about TV popularity and you shouldn't do the same with your disregard for PTV or FTA when observing AFL ratings (overall ratings). If the NRL wernt interested in simulcast then why is everyone on LU talking about it happening.

[pussycat]

I stand by what I said about Rd7 also - because its correct.

I don't disregard them, I simply point out that its a different argument - A different argument that just happens to have the same result! As I said in the previous post the fairest way to judge viewer numbers is to look at the highest rating match of the two codes.

What i said was the Tv moguls wern't interested in simulcast results. PTV and FTA are like apples and oranges. One only goes to 1/3 of the audience, coincicidently the one we dominate - the one that includes regional viewers.

[piesman2011]

I hope the NRL get a 1-1.3 billion TV deal with simulcast of all games on fox. That will be more apples V apples. Now that I look at it closely it will be years before AFL can get numbers averaging about 300K on foxtel mostly due to overlap on games. I expect that friday nights will have similar fox numbers over the next few years.