NRL to reap $1.2b from TV rights

[TLPG]

Rep games are not part of the NRL. Since when did NSW play against the Broncos or the Storm? Since when did Queensland play against the Panthers or the Raiders? State of Origin is a part of the thugby league product, of which the NRL is only a part.

The AFL doesn't need rep games. It gets the numbers without it. Even if it did, it would likewise be seperate.

[enarelle]

It is one organization for those in the know.

[TLPG]

You don't know. It's not. The NRL is a single competition with 15 (right?) clubs and a youth competition. Even it's reserves don't play in the NRL. They play in the NSWRL (well the NSW teams anyway). The Victorian AFL clubs do the same thing with their reserves - play in the VFL. And don't claim it as theirs either.

Rep thugby belongs to the ARLC, not the NRL.

Edit - I suppose the NRL runs every local competition in NSW and Queensland as well?

[enarelle]

Well I guess the guessing of 15 clubs says it all. TPLG you should get onto the NRL this morning as they have major coverage of the SOO game on the front of their webpage and they claim it as theirs. It needs some enlightened fellow like yourself to straighten them out otherwise they will just go on and on that SOO is theirs.

[TLPG]

You know as well as I do that they won't listen to logic. They are that far out of touch they don't want to listen - completely ignoring the real threat AFL poses to what they think is their heartland 100 percent. I don't give a brass ha'penny about last night. All the website is doing is riding the coat tails of a rep thugby game as the two teams were drawn from NRL clubs.

[piesman2011]

This is really off topic however is it sort of related to what people are talking about.
In 2010 when people were adding up the accumulated ratings, many people didn't add the second AFL grand final to the total ratings. Their reasoning was that it wasn't a normal part of the AFL season and therefore shouldn't be added. I would argue that it was and that it didn't happen very often but you couldn't ignore those ratings, however I can also see the other side of the argument. The following year when some people looked at the finals in 2011 they noticed that the overall attendence and ratings for the finals were down. They used this in arguments to show that AFL as a sport was going backwards. The reason why the 2011 finals ratings/attendence was down was because in 2010 there was a second grandfinal. So in a way the people choosing to ignore the AFL grandfinal replay in 2010 to make the AFL ratings look smaller, used the grand final replay a year later to talk down the AFLs growth.
Now in my opinion I am happy to add the SOO ratings to the total ratings for the sport of RL. I guess it wouldn't be part of the ratings for the regular NRL season, however it would be part of the total ratings for the NRL to help it get a bigger TV deal and could be used in the total ratings generated by the NRL.
What I am trying to say is that people on both sides of an argument will choose to ignore or use information to suit their arguments.

[TLPG]

Well, Piesman, if the AFL did choose to allow for the return of out SOO in 2013 as is rumoured - I would oppose adding it's ratings to AFL figures. For the same reason that I oppose the thugby SOO now.

[piesman2011]

Yeah thats fair enough. I dont mind having it added, but that is just my opinion.

[pussycat]

This is really off topic however is it sort of related to what people are talking about.
In 2010 when people were adding up the accumulated ratings, many people didn't add the second AFL grand final to the total ratings. Their reasoning was that it wasn't a normal part of the AFL season and therefore shouldn't be added. I would argue that it was and that it didn't happen very often but you couldn't ignore those ratings, however I can also see the other side of the argument. The following year when some people looked at the finals in 2011 they noticed that the overall attendence and ratings for the finals were down. They used this in arguments to show that AFL as a sport was going backwards. The reason why the 2011 finals ratings/attendence was down was because in 2010 there was a second grandfinal. So in a way the people choosing to ignore the AFL grandfinal replay in 2010 to make the AFL ratings look smaller, used the grand final replay a year later to talk down the AFLs growth.
Now in my opinion I am happy to add the SOO ratings to the total ratings for the sport of RL. I guess it wouldn't be part of the ratings for the regular NRL season, however it would be part of the total ratings for the NRL to help it get a bigger TV deal and could be used in the total ratings generated by the NRL.
What I am trying to say is that people on both sides of an argument will choose to ignore or use information to suit their arguments.

I can recall reading the Roy Masters article, written after AFL's 1st GF in 2010. It said, in words to the affect, that the NRL had an unasailable lead in yearly viewer figures and that the GF replay wouldn't change that. There was also a couple of tests to be played, may even of been a tri-seris year.

What possible reason , other than AFL envy & jealousy, should figures from representative matches not be being included?? I expect to hear something so ridiculously stupid and absurd from Pokus or TLPG but hardly from you Piesman. Representative football is just part & parcel of rugby league. What about the 8 or rounds severly affected in the main competition by the rep season period?

Does this mean that AFL finally accepts the fact that life exists outside the walls of the capital cities and have moved on to there next area of non-compete?

[Xman]

This is really off topic however is it sort of related to what people are talking about.
In 2010 when people were adding up the accumulated ratings, many people didn't add the second AFL grand final to the total ratings. Their reasoning was that it wasn't a normal part of the AFL season and therefore shouldn't be added. I would argue that it was and that it didn't happen very often but you couldn't ignore those ratings, however I can also see the other side of the argument. The following year when some people looked at the finals in 2011 they noticed that the overall attendence and ratings for the finals were down. They used this in arguments to show that AFL as a sport was going backwards. The reason why the 2011 finals ratings/attendence was down was because in 2010 there was a second grandfinal. So in a way the people choosing to ignore the AFL grandfinal replay in 2010 to make the AFL ratings look smaller, used the grand final replay a year later to talk down the AFLs growth.
Now in my opinion I am happy to add the SOO ratings to the total ratings for the sport of RL. I guess it wouldn't be part of the ratings for the regular NRL season, however it would be part of the total ratings for the NRL to help it get a bigger TV deal and could be used in the total ratings generated by the NRL.
What I am trying to say is that people on both sides of an argument will choose to ignore or use information to suit their arguments.

I can recall reading the Roy Masters article, written after AFL's 1st GF in 2010. It said, in words to the affect, that the NRL had an unasailable lead in yearly viewer figures and that the GF replay wouldn't change that. There was also a couple of tests to be played, may even of been a tri-seris year.

What possible reason , other than AFL envy & jealousy, should figures from representative matches not be being included?? I expect to hear something so ridiculously stupid and absurd from Pokus or TLPG but hardly from you Piesman. Representative football is just part & parcel of rugby league. What about the 8 or rounds severly affected in the main competition by the rep season period?

Does this mean that AFL finally accepts the fact that life exists outside the walls of the capital cities and have moved on to there next area of non-compete?

Rep games should be added to the overall product that is RL in Australia. But then so should VFL, SANFL, WAFL, and the AFL preseason comp.

But a pure comparison of the AFL competition v the NRL competition should exclude SOO and rep games.

[enarelle]

The AFL crew dont believe in a pure comparison of the AFL versus NRL as they consistently like to leave out the NZ component or the regional component or both. SOO and the AFL preseason are both included in the ratings because they have the same players teams involved.

The reality is that the TV stations are currently negotiating to buy the NRL TV rights comprising club games and Rep games.

[Xman]

The AFL crew dont believe in a pure comparison of the AFL versus NRL as they consistently like to leave out the NZ component or the regional component or both. SOO and the AFL preseason are both included in the ratings because they have the same players teams involved.

The reality is that the TV stations are currently negotiating to buy the NRL TV rights comprising club games and Rep games.

As a package to be purchased, yes SOO and rep games should be included. As an indication of popularity it shouldn't be used to compare the NRL with the AFL because SOO isn't NRL.

[enarelle]

Well some on this site might like to exclude SOO and other rep games but in the wider world they are accepted as part of the NRL product eg Repucom rolls in the numbers and they include the AFL pre season.

If the AFL product is limited to a domestic preseason and club comp well problem belong them. The NRL has gone done a different path very successfully.

[TLPG]

They went that path because the NRL competition is not competitive with the AFL product across Australia. It may have helped the thugby product but it has done nothing for the NRL.

There are no regional components to compare - because as has already been established there are way too many holes in it for any figures to be used in a reliable manner. Even sections of New South Wales, Queensland and Victoria are missing from the figures let alone the other states!

[Xman]

They went that path because the NRL competition is not competitive with the AFL product across Australia. It may have helped the thugby product but it has done nothing for the NRL.

There are no regional components to compare - because as has already been established there are way too many holes in it for any figures to be used in a reliable manner. Even sections of New South Wales, Queensland and Victoria are missing from the figures let alone the other states!

Too right. The regionals ratings are used as sample of the general regional population with areas on the east coast heavily over represented. Given the fairly clear geographical divide between code heartlands these ratings are not a good indication of code popularity because they heavily favour one code.