Talking Footy

pussycat wrote:

The AFL has 198 matches + 10 finals matches for a total of 208. 207 of these matches will be shown live on PTV. Around 105 of these will be shown on FTA, about 75 live.

Rugby League has 193 matches + 10 finals + around 8 Representive Matches for a total of 211. 125 of these matches will be on PTV, about 112 will be live. around 90 matches will be on FTA, about 35 live.

You could argue that the NRL has 2 friday night live games. Yes I understand how it works and that neither game is live nationally (look at my next point to see why I included this)

WIth the AFL games almost none of the games are live nationally SA and WA are still delayed for Friday, Sat night and Sun games. This year in the most similar game (Friday night) the AFL has destroyed the NRL ratings despite the NRL game being a broadcast of two different games (nationally as well).

Last year per game the AFL had a higher TV audience despite the game not catering to a TV audience (just about every game overlapping another game).

You could , you could also say Melbourne get 4 FTA games each week - 3 live, Adelaide get 4 FTA games each week - 3 live, Perth gets 4/5 games on FTA usually 2 live/

Destroyed??? I dont think so. firstly you dismiss 40% of the audience. The AFL also shows there game to 2 of there 3 states live. The NRL shows its game live to 1 of its 2 states live the other is delayed two hours.


Correct me if Im wrong here, but with the time differance does this mean Perth still get to watch the game in prime time?

Once again I dont agree. Take your 2011 game on a more even one on one basis. - Friday night AFL v NRL

Fox Footy dominating again over the weekend.

Rank Description Channel\Market (r) National STV

1 LIVE: AFL HAWTHORN V SYDNEY FOX FOOTY 263,000
2 LIVE: NRL RAIDERS V SHARKS FOX SPORTS 2 207,000
3 LIVE: AFL ADELAIDE V PORT ADELAIDE FOX FOOTY 190,000
4 LIVE: AFL RICHMOND V WEST COAST FOX SPORTS 1 163,000
5 LIVE: SUPER RUGBY: WARATAHS V CRUSADERS FOX SPORTS 2 130,000
6 LIVE: AFL: AFTER THE BOUNCE FOX FOOTY 111,000
7 LIVE: AFL SUNDAY PRE GAME SHOW FOX FOOTY 100,000

pussycat wrote:

You could , you could also say Melbourne get 4 FTA games each week - 3 live, Adelaide get 4 FTA games each week - 3 live, Perth gets 4/5 games on FTA usually 2 live/

Destroyed??? I dont think so. firstly you dismiss 40% of the audience. The AFL also shows there game to 2 of there 3 states live. The NRL shows its game live to 1 of its 2 states live the other is delayed two hours.

I believe that I have included the 40% extra regionals in the statement "destroyed". Perhaps this was the wrong word, comfortably ahead might be a better term. I would guess by about 20%

pussycat wrote:

Correct me if Im wrong here, but with the time differance does this mean Perth still get to watch the game in prime time? Once again I dont agree. Take your 2011 game on a more even one on one basis. - Friday night AFL v NRL

That is correct about Perth (they might have a slight ratings slump if it was shown live)and I believe that SA is still delayed by 30 minutes correct me if I am wrong. As for 2011 the friday AFL game was delayed by an hour started at 8.30 and finished as late as midnight. I cant see how that would be closer to apples V apples.

Beaussie wrote:

Fox Footy dominating again over the weekend.

Rank Description Channel\Market (r) National STV

1 LIVE: AFL HAWTHORN V SYDNEY FOX FOOTY 263,000
2 LIVE: NRL RAIDERS V SHARKS FOX SPORTS 2 207,000
3 LIVE: AFL ADELAIDE V PORT ADELAIDE FOX FOOTY 190,000
4 LIVE: AFL RICHMOND V WEST COAST FOX SPORTS 1 163,000
5 LIVE: SUPER RUGBY: WARATAHS V CRUSADERS FOX SPORTS 2 130,000
6 LIVE: AFL: AFTER THE BOUNCE FOX FOOTY 111,000
7 LIVE: AFL SUNDAY PRE GAME SHOW FOX FOOTY 100,000

ah.....

how bout we line rounds up with each other eh

starting with the 374,000 who watched the Dragons & Roosters on ANZAC day
& the 352,000 who watched the Storm & Warriors

NRL 1st .... & 2nd on pay this week just gone

Storm vs Warriors is actually more dave, gotta add the Sky sports NZ to the total.
LIVE: NRL STORM V WARRIORS FOX SPORTS 2 352,000 + Sky Sports NZ 124,990 = 476.990 that is a record for a single NRL game

Will do a summary of the pay tv ratings as soon as the Knights vs Panthers game ratings are out. And let me tell you it will be another smashing round for the NRL on Fox :D

piesman2011 wrote:

I believe that I have included the 40% extra regionals in the statement "destroyed". Perhaps this was the wrong word, comfortably ahead might be a better term. I would guess by about 20%

Rd1 TN Melb(live) v Syd(live)

Melb viewers
444 on FTA
guesstimate 140 PTV
about 110 regional viewers on FTA
Tot about 700


Syd viewers
474 metro
about 300 regional
Tot about 770


Rd2
Melb
293 metro FTA
about 110 PTV
about 90 regiona
Tot 500

Syd
382 FTA
about 220 regionals
Tot 600




I think comfortably ahead might be the wrong word also.

eelofwest wrote:

Storm vs Warriors is actually more dave, gotta add the Sky sports NZ to the total.
LIVE: NRL STORM V WARRIORS FOX SPORTS 2 352,000 + Sky Sports NZ 124,990 = 476.990 that is a record for a single NRL game

Will do a summary of the pay tv ratings as soon as the Knights vs Panthers game ratings are out. And let me tell you it will be another smashing round for the NRL on Fox :D

You know though, they like us to play by there rules so everything remains competitive.

pussycat wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

I believe that I have included the 40% extra regionals in the statement "destroyed". Perhaps this was the wrong word, comfortably ahead might be a better term. I would guess by about 20%

Rd1 TN Melb(live) v Syd(live)

Melb viewers
444 on FTA
guesstimate 140 PTV
about 110 regional viewers on FTA
Tot about 700


Syd viewers
474 metro
about 300 regional
Tot about 770


Rd2
Melb
293 metro FTA
about 110 PTV
about 90 regiona
Tot 500

Syd
382 FTA
about 220 regionals
Tot 600




I think comfortably ahead might be the wrong word also.

So Vic V NSW?? 7.2 million V 5.5 million Why ?
I believe that you have underestimated the VIc numbers and just come out ahead


round 1
nationally NRL 710,00 + 470, 000 (40%)approx = 1.18 million
AFL 1,000,000 (metro/fox) + 250,000 (25% FTA metro but not including fox numbers) regional = 1.25 million

round 2
NRL 686 (broadcast) + regionals 457 regionals = 1.14 million
AFL 800 (fox + metro) + regionals 200 K = 1 million

round 3
NRL 715K + 416 = 1.19 million
AFL 1.2 million + regionals 290K = 1.49 million

round 4
NRL 654K + 436 K regional = 1.09 million
AFL 1.05 million + regionals 260 K = 1.31 million

round 5
NRL 666K + 444K = 1.11 million
AFL still to get the figures but it was an AFL win.
AFL comfortably ahead nationally.


total after 4 rounds

NRL 4.6 million
AFL 5.05 million

Not as much of a beating as I thought but it is still a beating and it is only getting worse.

For you information I worked out the FTA total from the metro total being 60% of total for NRL (40% regional) and the AFL metro only 75% of total (25 % regional) I then added fox numbers last. I got the 75% AFL total being metro and NRL 60% metro total from last years averages.

I stand by comfortably ahead

piesman2011 wrote:

pussycat wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

I believe that I have included the 40% extra regionals in the statement "destroyed". Perhaps this was the wrong word, comfortably ahead might be a better term. I would guess by about 20%

Rd1 TN Melb(live) v Syd(live)

Melb viewers
444 on FTA
guesstimate 140 PTV
about 110 regional viewers on FTA
Tot about 700


Syd viewers
474 metro
about 300 regional
Tot about 770


Rd2
Melb
293 metro FTA
about 110 PTV
about 90 regiona
Tot 500

Syd
382 FTA
about 220 regionals
Tot 600




I think comfortably ahead might be the wrong word also.

So Vic V NSW?? 7.2 million V 5.5 million Why ?
I believe that you have underestimated the VIc numbers and just come out ahead


round 1
nationally NRL 710,00 + 470, 000 (40%)approx = 1.18 million
AFL 1,000,000 (metro/fox) + 250,000 (25% FTA metro but not including fox numbers) regional = 1.25 million

round 2
NRL 686 (broadcast) + regionals 457 regionals = 1.14 million
AFL 800 (fox + metro) + regionals 200 K = 1 million

round 3
NRL 715K + 416 = 1.19 million
AFL 1.2 million + regionals 290K = 1.49 million

round 4
NRL 654K + 436 K regional = 1.09 million
AFL 1.05 million + regionals 260 K = 1.31 million

round 5
NRL 666K + 444K = 1.11 million
AFL still to get the figures but it was an AFL win.
AFL comfortably ahead nationally.


total after 4 rounds

NRL 4.6 million
AFL 5.05 million

Not as much of a beating as I thought but it is still a beating and it is only getting worse.

For you information I worked out the FTA total from the metro total being 60% of total for NRL (40% regional) and the AFL metro only 75% of total (25 % regional) I then added fox numbers last. That is what it was last year on average.

I stand by comfortably ahead

where are you getting your regionals for vicky kicky games from ?

link please

Raiderdave wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

pussycat wrote:

Rd1 TN Melb(live) v Syd(live)

Melb viewers
444 on FTA
guesstimate 140 PTV
about 110 regional viewers on FTA
Tot about 700


Syd viewers
474 metro
about 300 regional
Tot about 770


Rd2
Melb
293 metro FTA
about 110 PTV
about 90 regiona
Tot 500

Syd
382 FTA
about 220 regionals
Tot 600




I think comfortably ahead might be the wrong word also.

So Vic V NSW?? 7.2 million V 5.5 million Why ?
I believe that you have underestimated the VIc numbers and just come out ahead


round 1
nationally NRL 710,00 + 470, 000 (40%)approx = 1.18 million
AFL 1,000,000 (metro/fox) + 250,000 (25% FTA metro but not including fox numbers) regional = 1.25 million

round 2
NRL 686 (broadcast) + regionals 457 regionals = 1.14 million
AFL 800 (fox + metro) + regionals 200 K = 1 million

round 3
NRL 715K + 416 = 1.19 million
AFL 1.2 million + regionals 290K = 1.49 million

round 4
NRL 654K + 436 K regional = 1.09 million
AFL 1.05 million + regionals 260 K = 1.31 million

round 5
NRL 666K + 444K = 1.11 million
AFL still to get the figures but it was an AFL win.
AFL comfortably ahead nationally.


total after 4 rounds

NRL 4.6 million
AFL 5.05 million

Not as much of a beating as I thought but it is still a beating and it is only getting worse.

For you information I worked out the FTA total from the metro total being 60% of total for NRL (40% regional) and the AFL metro only 75% of total (25 % regional) I then added fox numbers last. That is what it was last year on average.

I stand by comfortably ahead

where are you getting your regionals for vicky kicky games from ?

link please

They are using last years averages and are an estimation. We will see at the end of the year when all of the data is accumulated in total.

piesman2011 wrote:

pussycat wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

I believe that I have included the 40% extra regionals in the statement "destroyed". Perhaps this was the wrong word, comfortably ahead might be a better term. I would guess by about 20%

Rd1 TN Melb(live) v Syd(live)

Melb viewers
444 on FTA
guesstimate 140 PTV
about 110 regional viewers on FTA
Tot about 700


Syd viewers
474 metro
about 300 regional
Tot about 770


Rd2
Melb
293 metro FTA
about 110 PTV
about 90 regiona
Tot 500

Syd
382 FTA
about 220 regionals
Tot 600




I think comfortably ahead might be the wrong word also.

So Vic V NSW?? 7.2 million V 5.5 million Why ?
I believe that you have underestimated the VIc numbers and just come out ahead


round 1
nationally NRL 710,00 + 470, 000 (40%)approx = 1.18 million
AFL 1,000,000 (metro/fox) + 250,000 (25% FTA metro but not including fox numbers) regional = 1.25 million

round 2
NRL 686 (broadcast) + regionals 457 regionals = 1.14 million
AFL 800 (fox + metro) + regionals 200 K = 1 million

round 3
NRL 715K + 416 = 1.19 million
AFL 1.2 million + regionals 290K = 1.49 million

round 4
NRL 654K + 436 K regional = 1.09 million
AFL 1.05 million + regionals 260 K = 1.31 million

round 5
NRL 666K + 444K = 1.11 million
AFL still to get the figures but it was an AFL win.
AFL comfortably ahead nationally.


total after 4 rounds

NRL 4.6 million
AFL 5.05 million

Not as much of a beating as I thought but it is still a beating and it is only getting worse.

For you information I worked out the FTA total from the metro total being 60% of total for NRL (40% regional) and the AFL metro only 75% of total (25 % regional) I then added fox numbers last. I got the 75% AFL total being metro and NRL 60% metro total from last years averages.

I stand by comfortably ahead

Add state of origin to the equations about 10.7million last year.
Add the tests matches and add the city vs country game.
Add the NZ tv ratings witch was about 12million last year
You have just pointed out what we been saying for ages now, that Rugby league out rates Aussie rules easy and with less coverage. =D>
And yes links regionals please

Raiderdave I will give you an example from this year :AFL ANZAC day had 1029k FTA metro and 358k regional FTA viewers total FTA viewers were 1.387 million. 1.029/ 1.387 X 100 = 74. 2% metro which a bit over 25% regional (pretty much an average for AFL). I understand the doubt however statistically that will be about right for all of the games.

eelofwest wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

pussycat wrote:

Rd1 TN Melb(live) v Syd(live)

Melb viewers
444 on FTA
guesstimate 140 PTV
about 110 regional viewers on FTA
Tot about 700


Syd viewers
474 metro
about 300 regional
Tot about 770


Rd2
Melb
293 metro FTA
about 110 PTV
about 90 regiona
Tot 500

Syd
382 FTA
about 220 regionals
Tot 600




I think comfortably ahead might be the wrong word also.

So Vic V NSW?? 7.2 million V 5.5 million Why ?
I believe that you have underestimated the VIc numbers and just come out ahead


round 1
nationally NRL 710,00 + 470, 000 (40%)approx = 1.18 million
AFL 1,000,000 (metro/fox) + 250,000 (25% FTA metro but not including fox numbers) regional = 1.25 million

round 2
NRL 686 (broadcast) + regionals 457 regionals = 1.14 million
AFL 800 (fox + metro) + regionals 200 K = 1 million

round 3
NRL 715K + 416 = 1.19 million
AFL 1.2 million + regionals 290K = 1.49 million

round 4
NRL 654K + 436 K regional = 1.09 million
AFL 1.05 million + regionals 260 K = 1.31 million

round 5
NRL 666K + 444K = 1.11 million
AFL still to get the figures but it was an AFL win.
AFL comfortably ahead nationally.


total after 4 rounds

NRL 4.6 million
AFL 5.05 million

Not as much of a beating as I thought but it is still a beating and it is only getting worse.

For you information I worked out the FTA total from the metro total being 60% of total for NRL (40% regional) and the AFL metro only 75% of total (25 % regional) I then added fox numbers last. I got the 75% AFL total being metro and NRL 60% metro total from last years averages.

I stand by comfortably ahead

Add state of origin to the equations about 10.7million last year.
Add the tests matches and add the city vs country game.
Add the NZ tv ratings witch was about 12million last year
You have just pointed out what we been saying for ages now, that Rugby league out rates Aussie rules easy and with less coverage. =D>
And yes links regionals please

We were comparing friday night games. I dont know how state of origin got pulled into this. I have a question for you. I understand that SOO pulls 3 million + viewers in for a game in the middle of the week prime time, however a normal episode of the block or something similar might rate 2 million have a lot more advertising and be fairly cheap to run. How much more would a SOO match be worth compared to a Saturday arvo AFL game that rates a million viewers when saturday avro TV might normally rate 200 K. Heres a clude saturday arvo AFL is increasing the normal viewers by 800 K compared to a SOO match that might increase a normal prime time audience by 1.2 million? Most NRL fans will say that the SOO game is worth 10 times the amount in dollar terms then the AFL game, however I dare you to think about it and come up with a well thought out counter argument.

piesman2011 wrote:

pussycat wrote:

piesman2011 wrote:

I believe that I have included the 40% extra regionals in the statement "destroyed". Perhaps this was the wrong word, comfortably ahead might be a better term. I would guess by about 20%

Rd1 TN Melb(live) v Syd(live)

Melb viewers
444 on FTA
guesstimate 140 PTV
about 110 regional viewers on FTA
Tot about 700


Syd viewers
474 metro
about 300 regional
Tot about 770


Rd2
Melb
293 metro FTA
about 110 PTV
about 90 regiona
Tot 500

Syd
382 FTA
about 220 regionals
Tot 600




I think comfortably ahead might be the wrong word also.

So Vic V NSW?? 7.2 million V 5.5 million Why ?
I believe that you have underestimated the VIc numbers and just come out ahead


round 1
nationally NRL 710,00 + 470, 000 (40%)approx = 1.18 million
AFL 1,000,000 (metro/fox) + 250,000 (25% FTA metro but not including fox numbers) regional = 1.25 million

round 2
NRL 686 (broadcast) + regionals 457 regionals = 1.14 million
AFL 800 (fox + metro) + regionals 200 K = 1 million

round 3
NRL 715K + 416 = 1.19 million
AFL 1.2 million + regionals 290K = 1.49 million

round 4
NRL 654K + 436 K regional = 1.09 million
AFL 1.05 million + regionals 260 K = 1.31 million

round 5
NRL 666K + 444K = 1.11 million
AFL still to get the figures but it was an AFL win.
AFL comfortably ahead nationally.


total after 4 rounds

NRL 4.6 million
AFL 5.05 million

Not as much of a beating as I thought but it is still a beating and it is only getting worse.

For you information I worked out the FTA total from the metro total being 60% of total for NRL (40% regional) and the AFL metro only 75% of total (25 % regional) I then added fox numbers last. I got the 75% AFL total being metro and NRL 60% metro total from last years averages.

I stand by comfortably ahead

The Reason I used Vic & NSW is because There both ' the main game', so to speak and there both shown live in a similar timeslot. I don't know that you could get much closer to an apples v apples scenario.


With Nationally Rd.1 Melb Live, Adel live, Pert delayed 2hours(but shown in prime time)
Syd live, Qld delayed(9.30-11.30).

Add 70k Rd3