Talking Footy

QueenslandISAFL wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

QueenslandISAFL wrote:

Why would the NSWRL waste money on a second nrl team in melbourne,
:

the way the VFL have in Sydney
damn good question

& any easy answer.. they wouldn't as they're not f.uckwits

gws will be a success story, look at the goldcoast suns, they started off the reason with lower then expected crowd numbers and by the end they were getting 15k to a game, titans couldn't even do that.

Beaussie wrote:

Xman wrote:

They climbed in 2010 fool

They were severely effected by renovations this year.

The storms have dropped despite consistent GF appearances.

Crowds for the Swans were also severely affected by the construction of the Victor Trumper Stand in 2008.

As for the Storm, as someone else pointed out, weren't crowds meant to increase once they moved into their new purpose built state of art stadium in Melbourne? Why wont the people of Melbourne embrace the Storm?

Raiderdave wrote:

yes lets look at the thuns shall we

2011 average 19,500
2012 average 13,500
2013 average

Drac wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

yes lets look at the thuns shall we

2011 average 19,500
2012 average 13,500
2013 average

Okay, those are the figures for an AFL team in nRL 'heartland', let's look at how the nRL team in nRL 'heartland' has been trending:

2007 21489
2008 21618
2009 19178
2010 17877
2011 15428
2012 14405
2013 RIP

Oh dear. Observant readers will note the 2011 figure is lower than their AFL rival. Oh and Dave, let me just respond in advance to your inevitable post of:

"Thuns have been...... fudgey wudgying....their figures..... but of course AFL brainwash....but but but =D> "

Only one team on the Gold Coast has been caught posting incorrect figures

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl ... 6100472019

Raiderdave wrote:

Drac wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

yes lets look at the thuns shall we

2011 average 19,500
2012 average 13,500
2013 average

Okay, those are the figures for an AFL team in nRL 'heartland', let's look at how the nRL team in nRL 'heartland' has been trending:

2007 21489
2008 21618
2009 19178
2010 17877
2011 15428
2012 14405
2013 RIP

Oh dear. Observant readers will note the 2011 figure is lower than their AFL rival. Oh and Dave, let me just respond in advance to your inevitable post of:

"Thuns have been...... fudgey wudgying....their figures..... but of course AFL brainwash....but but but =D> "

Only one team on the Gold Coast has been caught posting incorrect figures

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl ... 6100472019

oh dear
observant readers will note the 2012 thuns figure is lower then their Rivals ( even with rampant fudging ).. after just one year
& also
their rival didn't have a 33% drop in attendances in year 2 .... they had a rise
the Titans are averaging 14K odd after 6 years
if the thuns are averaging 10K by year 6... they'll be doing very well

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Drac wrote:

Okay, those are the figures for an AFL team in nRL 'heartland', let's look at how the nRL team in nRL 'heartland' has been trending:

2007 21489
2008 21618
2009 19178
2010 17877
2011 15428
2012 14405
2013 RIP

Oh dear. Observant readers will note the 2011 figure is lower than their AFL rival. Oh and Dave, let me just respond in advance to your inevitable post of:

"Thuns have been...... fudgey wudgying....their figures..... but of course AFL brainwash....but but but =D> "

Only one team on the Gold Coast has been caught posting incorrect figures

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl ... 6100472019

oh dear
observant readers will note the 2012 thuns figure is lower then their Rivals ( even with rampant fudging ).. after just one year
& also
their rival didn't have a 33% drop in attendances in year 2 .... they had a rise
the Titans are averaging 14K odd after 6 years
if the thuns are averaging 10K by year 6... they'll be doing very well

Isnt the Gold Coast RL heartland?

Xman wrote:

So both codes teams have dropped crowd figures, and the suns have had 2 years on the bottom, is "seeing them off"?



Good luck with that!

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

So both codes teams have dropped crowd figures, and the suns have had 2 years on the bottom, is "seeing them off"?



Good luck with that!

the Titans had a slight drop

the thuns fans ...... dissapeared ..
big difference F wit

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

So both codes teams have dropped crowd figures, and the suns have had 2 years on the bottom, is "seeing them off"?



Good luck with that!

the Titans had a slight drop

the thuns fans ...... dissapeared ..
big difference F wit

Dipping from the first year, now there's something I've never seen before!

The warriors went from 26k to 8k in 4 years gone, all gone now

Melbourne went from 12k to 8k in 7 yrs despite success

The cowboys almost halved their crowds in 8 yrs.

Raiderdave wrote:

Xman wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

the Titans had a slight drop

the thuns fans ...... dissapeared ..
big difference F wit

Dipping from the first year, now there's something I've never seen before!

The warriors went from 26k to 8k in 4 years gone, all gone now

Melbourne went from 12k to 8k in 7 yrs despite success

The cowboys almost halved their crowds in 8 yrs.

4 years .... 7 years .... 8 years
no new expansion NRL side has ever .... ever .. experienced a 33% drop in crowds from their first year .. to their 2nd
thats un heard of
as we all know its actually worse then that ...as the thuns fudge their crowds as well
it could be as bad as a 50% drop
the VFL will have the distinction of having this type of disaster happen to it .. twice ... & have it happen .. 2 years in a row
when something similar happens to the midgits in 2013

after 8 years
christ knows what these 2 teams of oxygen theives will be drawing

Drac wrote:

Some points that Dave seems to be blissfully dismissing:

1) The Titans went from wooden spooners in 2011, to 2 games outside the 8 in 2012. And despite this rise on-field, their attendance STILL continued to drop.
2) The Suns are an expansion club in apparently 'nRL heartland'. In their first year in nRL heartland, the nRL club the Titans failed to outdraw the AFL team in nRL heartland. In their 2nd year in nRL heartland, the nRL club managed to outdraw the AFL club in nRL heartland by less than 1,000.



I'll also just point out that in 2012 the Suns - who finished 2nd bottom - still had a higher attendance than the Storm, who won the premiership.

Raiderdave wrote:

Drac wrote:

Some points that Dave seems to be blissfully dismissing:

1) The Titans went from wooden spooners in 2011, to 2 games outside the 8 in 2012. And despite this rise on-field, their attendance STILL continued to drop.
2) The Suns are an expansion club in apparently 'nRL heartland'. In their first year in nRL heartland, the nRL club the Titans failed to outdraw the AFL team in nRL heartland. In their 2nd year in nRL heartland, the nRL club managed to outdraw the AFL club in nRL heartland by less than 1,000.



I'll also just point out that in 2012 the Suns - who finished 2nd bottom - still had a higher attendance than the Storm, who won the premiership.

and the titans will probably be there abouts again in 2013 & i don't expect any drop in their average .. or .. any great rise either

however
I don't think the thuns will do all that well next year ... I don't think they'll get out of the bottom 6 in the next 3 or 4 years
& guess what will happen to their average crowd in the meantime
no go on .... have a guess


will it be higher then the Storms then champ ?....

Drac wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

wow
4 drops in 5 years.... 5 drops in the last 6 ( again u don't start at zero F wit ) ..this despite 5 finals appearances & 1 premiership
thats impressive =D> =D> =D>
based on the above ..its not in dispute ... they're on their way .. out

did NRL crowds drop by 33% at any stage in the last 8 years .. on the peak of 2005 ?
no
or have they gone down 5 out of the last 6 years ?
no

take a hike then with your but but butting

if the answer had been yes to either question . & its yes to BOTH for the swines
the natural conclusion by any unbiased person would be they're struggling ..... really struggling

all the turd polishing in the world can't hide this fact

I didn't start at zero. 2007 was an increase on 2006 for the Swans, and 2005 was an increase on 2004 for the NSWRL. I will not resort to name calling with you Dave, as you almost certainly have cognative disabilities and that would be wrong.

The drop from the Swans' peak of 35k in 2007, is more significant than the drop in the NSWRL since 2005's mighty average of 16k. In much the same way as a fall from Everest is worse than a fall from an anthill. I'd still preferred to have climed Everest in the first place though .

Regardless of the percentages, the fact remains, that using your maths logic, if the Swans crowds have dropped for 7 years in a row, so have the NSWRL's.

Say it.