
The Changing Nature of Violence in Rugby League and AFL
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Ahh I'd say playing a 3minute intro to friday nights game which was completely focussed on and glorifying the history of fisticuffs between essendon and hawthorne was supporting and promoting violence. 


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Showing a promo than focused on the rivalry but included only 2 fights over the last 27 years is definately not condoning violence. Ch7 is not the AFL foolKing-Eliagh wrote:Ahh I'd say playing a 3minute intro to friday nights game which was completely focussed on and glorifying the history of fisticuffs between essendon and hawthorne was supporting and promoting violence.

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Thats a good point (without the fool comment). This is channel 7 promoting the violence not the AFL. The AFL probabaly wouldn't want to promote the biff in the sport.
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Pies, Seven wasn't promoting the biff. It was promoting the history of the rivalry. One can't avoid the biff in that. As long as it's known that this sort of behaviour is either gone, or if it's still about it will get punished (and it will, guaranteed) it's okay. We can't change history. But we can control the future.
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TLPG wrote:Pies, Seven wasn't promoting the biff. It was promoting the history of the rivalry. One can't avoid the biff in that. As long as it's known that this sort of behaviour is either gone, or if it's still about it will get punished (and it will, guaranteed) it's okay. We can't change history. But we can control the future.
Good point about not being able to change history but we can control the future.
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In light of the ridiculous suggestions being made by KE in this thread, I thought the following was interesting and clearly demonstrates the leadership being shown in AFL circles to stamp out violence on the field. It's not on. The NRL could learn from the AFL on this one.
AFL legend Paul Roos: 'Dads can make a difference' with Real Heroes Walk Away
by: By Daniel Piotrowski
From:news.com.au
July 27, 20122:29PM
AS the father of two teenage boys, former Sydney Swans Paul Roos is proudly getting behind news.com.au's Real Heroes Walk Away campaign against senseless violence.
Every mum and dad is feeling for the parents of Thomas Kelly, 18, who was killed in Kings Cross earlier this month, Mr Roos said.
“Everyone feels the pain of that family. Any parent with kids that age has to be thinking about that,” he said.
Mr Roos, the 2008 Father of the Year and father of Dylan, 18, and Tyler, 16, said dads had an “enormous amount” of responsibility to act as role models for their sons.
Dads can show kids how to properly react to situations that some people answer with violence, he said.
“I don’t think there’s any doubt the father is the most important role model for many boys.”
Mr Roos, who implemented a “no d...heads” policy at the Swans, said coaches had an essential role in setting boundaries for kids.
Coaches must teach players violence on-field is not on, he said.
“Take ‘em off, talk to them straight away, make them know it’s unacceptable.”
“It’s all about setting parameters,” said Mr Roos, who now heads up the Swans’ junior academy and has coached both his sons’ footy sides
Mr Roos said parents need to be setting boundaries for what their kids do as well.
“A lot of kids are allowed to do absolutely everything. Parents are too afraid to say no nowadays.”
“I think parents have an enormous amount of responsibility.”
Mr Roos coached the Swans to their first premiership victory in 72 years in 2005.
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/features/heroes- ... z22F18NyiM
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Roosy is spot on, and I'll tell you what. Not only do the coaches have a role in that - so do the umpires. As I can say through experience. I've managed to head off trouble on a number of occassions with the yellow card. There have also been times when I've been too late, but that's when I report people. The thing is though, you don't get that in the lower age groups. I've only ever had a problem in that area once and I was on top of it PDQ.
One thing that other umpires tend to do that I absolute hate is be whistle happy on holding the ball, and forgetting that protection free kicks come first. Making that mistake can lead to trouble. If a bloke catches another with the ball when he had a prior opportunity - but he pushes him in the back or grabs him too high, that's not holding the ball. Heck just the other week I had one of those and I paid it correctly, and the boy I penalised wanted holding the ball. Lucky for him he didn't carry on otherwise I would have paid a 15 metre penalty (it's not 50 in the juniors and nor should it be until Under 15's).
One thing that other umpires tend to do that I absolute hate is be whistle happy on holding the ball, and forgetting that protection free kicks come first. Making that mistake can lead to trouble. If a bloke catches another with the ball when he had a prior opportunity - but he pushes him in the back or grabs him too high, that's not holding the ball. Heck just the other week I had one of those and I paid it correctly, and the boy I penalised wanted holding the ball. Lucky for him he didn't carry on otherwise I would have paid a 15 metre penalty (it's not 50 in the juniors and nor should it be until Under 15's).
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Once again Xman do you seriously think the AFL have no part in the way seven produces its introduction to friday night games? I asked you this earlier but you, as usual, failed to provide an answer to a question which meddles with your point.
Now we all know the promo deadset glorified the violence as a key component of the rivarly. The whole 2min into was quite dominated by violence. So we have clear promo there by channel 7 and the AFL. I'll try and obtain the video when i can for those who were not fortunate enough to view it.
As for Roosey beaussie, that's his opinion only. He can have it but the fact of the matter is, and as ive proven, the AFL has tried to stamp out what they see as unnecessary violence for over a decade i believe. And has it worked? Nup. Depending on how you look at it, it can be viewed as actually worse with the rise of nasty cheapshots teaching kids to bend the rules and use subterfuge to physically intimidate and injure your opponent. A very distasteful aspect of the modern game today
Now we all know the promo deadset glorified the violence as a key component of the rivarly. The whole 2min into was quite dominated by violence. So we have clear promo there by channel 7 and the AFL. I'll try and obtain the video when i can for those who were not fortunate enough to view it.
As for Roosey beaussie, that's his opinion only. He can have it but the fact of the matter is, and as ive proven, the AFL has tried to stamp out what they see as unnecessary violence for over a decade i believe. And has it worked? Nup. Depending on how you look at it, it can be viewed as actually worse with the rise of nasty cheapshots teaching kids to bend the rules and use subterfuge to physically intimidate and injure your opponent. A very distasteful aspect of the modern game today


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You bet your boots it's worked, KE - or should I say "ignorant savage". There are nowhere near as many fracas as there used to be and to say otherwise shows an ample lack of real thinking, and closed eyes to boot! If I saw a chicken wing as an umpire I would report and get the kid off the ground in nothing flat! I'd do the same to a punch in the jaw!
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Yes but unfortunately you'd miss the video footage of what happened to chapman. And you'd prob miss hall's cheap shot on his opponent too as an amateur umpire who doesnt have eyes in the back of his head, nor the benefit of camera footage. In RL these cheap shots are less likely because the player who throws them knows they'll be starting a serious fracas if they do. Its all about balance TLPG. The AFL has swung the pendulum too far in the umpires favour whereas the NRL understands the players themselves have a part to play in both breaking the rules and enforcing them.
Umpire over control of the game has been discussed in depth before by prominent senior AFL employees. Its a fairly serious issue, one that you'll be all too aware of but prob turn a blind eye to TLPG.
Umpire over control of the game has been discussed in depth before by prominent senior AFL employees. Its a fairly serious issue, one that you'll be all too aware of but prob turn a blind eye to TLPG.

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Stop crying, KE, you're creating a river.
No idea.
So stop it.
No idea.
So stop it.
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Crying? No, I'm stating the facts and providing evidence to boot. You lot are the ones likely to be teary eyed, what with the upset tummies and nautious feelings a bit of fair dinkum biffo gives you. 


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You haven't uttered one fact yet. I hate the biffo and I always have because it threatens the fabric of the game at it's most important point - the grass roots. Any person with any sense would want to see it out of our great game as much as I do.
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No offside in RL would make it easy for refs to keep an eye on most of the 26 players on the ground. Players would rarely come into contact with other players except to tackle them. The cheap shots in my opinion happen in RL when theres a sholder charge or when a player tries something during or straight after a tackle. There is an attitude in RL to try to hurt your opposition when they have the ball which is similar to AFL. Cheap shots happen in RL quite a lot however they are rarely punches to the back of the head because your opposition are pretty much always facing you and players dont man up the way they do in AFL.
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There's been biffo in RL for decades and grass roots is as strong as ever. Some more facts for you to ponderTLPG wrote:You haven't uttered one fact yet. I hate the biffo and I always have because it threatens the fabric of the game at it's most important point - the grass roots. Any person with any sense would want to see it out of our great game as much as I do.


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