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AFL Players saving themselves by activating self-reporting loophole

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AFL players are saving themselves from drug tests when they believe they are in danger of being tested by self-reporting to the AFL. Supplied

CLUBS believe some players have activated the self-reporting loophole in the AFL's illicit drugs code when alerted to the presence of a tester.

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A number of high-ranking club officials yesterday said they had been told players who become aware of a possible imminent test could immediately call AFL medicos to confess recent drug use.

The Herald Sun has reported that Collingwood players are among those to have confessed to drug use and dodged drug tests in the following days.

The Illicit Drugs Policy states: "A player may refer himself to the AFL Medical Officer for testing, education, counselling or treatment at any time. A player shall not be deemed to have recorded a positive test if he refers himself for such treatment prior to submitting a sample that subsequently returns a positive result."

The self-reporting loophole will be tightened today, with AFL clubs to also push for more information after a second positive drug strike.

But the AFL player union will resist, believing if club chief executives are told it raises the possibility of a player's confidentiality being breached.

The AFLPA said under the letter of the law players should not be able to self-report if the aim is to avoid an imminent positive test.

The player union said if drug testers were aware of that motive, a test would be conducted and a strike recorded if a positive result was found.

One club is believed to have had 10 incidences of six players self-reporting in 2012, with one putting his hand up three times in that period.

Critics argue those figures show players are taking advantage of the three-strikes system.

Sources say players especially those fearing they have drugs in their system are increasingly aware of the presence of drug testers which can lead to self-reporting.

Former West Coast and Richmond star Ben Cousins is known to have dodged drug tests after being alerted to the presence of testers by players already at the club.

Players who self-report are target-tested in future months, but for a player on two strikes future testing is clearly a risk worth taking.

AFLPA chief executive Matt Finnis said the policy had only recently been abused by players.

"In that very example, the player would have to do that drug test and he would be bound by any result that came from that but the policy has contained a provision which is there for a player who has used drugs, has an issue with drugs, to be able to put his hand up and seek help," he told SEN.

"That's because the nature of the policy is helping people to make change when they have made a mistake. If a player notifies, he then is able to get that assistance, be diverted into relevant programs and had he returned a subsequent policy he wouldn't be burdened with that on the basis that he's put his hand up to seek help."

One official said the policy was routinely abused.

"It can be an excuse as lame as 'my drink was spiked last night and I may have inadvertently taken drugs'," one club executive said.

"It means a player holds a Joker if he is on two strikes, a get-out-of-jail free card."

"Most players have reached a stage where they don't particularly care about one strike with some even prepared to roll the dice when on two strikes."

Confessed drug addict Cousins said he was often tipped off by teammates about the appearance of drug testers and simply failed to attend training to avoid positive tests.



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New face emerges in AFL drug probe

A CURRENT AFL player has received dietary and fitness advice from one of the key figures in the Essendon drugs probe.

The player's camp yesterday confirmed the footballer, who is not a Bomber, met Shane Charter - the self-styled fitness guru who calls himself "Dr Ageless" - several times last year.

The player, whom the Herald Sun has chosen not to name, worked with a Charter "underling" on a diet and weights program.

The Herald Sun has been told he is not the player referred to as the "rogue doper".

The player's camp said he had worked on improving his condition and didn't believe he had taken any banned performance-enhancing substances.

Charter was a personal trainer and pharmaceutical company salesman with links to former Essendon sports scientist Steve Dank. :lol: :lol:

He has been accused of supplying Dank with the supplements at the centre of the Bombers probe. =D> =D>

Former AFL stars James Hird, Luke Darcy, Shane Woewodin, Scott West and Simon Garlick used Charter as a consultant during their playing days. Oh my.... #-o #-o #-o

But the player is the only current AFL footballer known to have sought the help of the Charter camp.

Essendon continues to be investigated for the possible use of performance-enhancing drugs.

But the identity of a player from an unnamed second club named in an Australian Crime Commission investigation into sports doping remains a mystery.

Charter has been a central figure in the drugs allegations furore sparked by the release this month of the ACC report.

He was arrested and found to be in possession of 100,000 pseudoephedrine-based tablets in 2004. Dingdingdingding we have a winner...... :lol: :lol:

He pleaded guilty and received a reduced prison sentence.

Charter worked with Hird in 2003 giving the Brownlow medallist what, Essendon said, was dietary advice.



Oh yes James hird was given dietary supplements i am sure.......................... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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If they are all guilty then the NRL are stuffed since dank spent far more time in the NRL

Oh my. :lol:
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Xman wrote:
If they are all guilty then the NRL are stuffed since dank spent far more time in the NRL

Oh my. :lol:
Yep, remove Manly's premiership! :lol:
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Xman wrote:
If they are all guilty then the NRL are stuffed since dank spent far more time in the NRL

Oh my. :lol:

This is what bigpoofy and most AFL fans think of the melbourne demons tanking punishment..... :lol: :lol:


The Melbourne tanking verdict: worst of all worlds

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Just when you thought the AFL couldn’t get any better, or more accurately, worse, they manage to outdo themselves yet again.

The official verdict from on high is that Melbourne didn’t tank. But they have been fined $500,000, and former Melbourne coach Dean Bailey and then football chief Chris Connolly have been sanctioned for their words and deeds in the period under investigation.

So to reiterate, Melbourne didn’t tank, but the club itself and it’s most senior footy department employees did engage in “conduct prejudicial to the interests of the AFL” during the period investigated by former Federal Police. And that behaviour is worthy of a sum that amounts to about 1/18th of the Dees entire salary cap for the year to come.

What exactly could they have done that was so unbecoming as to cost them equivalent of what they’d probably be paying their best player this year if indeed it wasn’t tanking?

Let us interrogate the Jesuitical logic of Gillon McLachlan:

“The evidence suggests, and Dean Bailey agreed …. he made decisions to ultimately appease Chris. He made decisions to rest players. All three parties, Melbourne FC, Dean Bailey and Chris Connolly have accepted the sanctions.

“There is no evidence to suggest Dean Bailey or any players went out to lose games on match day …. Dean Bailey rested players who were available to play and played players out of position.”

Essentially McLachlan says that Melbourne did not deliberately lose games on matchday. That is, they didn’t all keep kicking it backwards and rushing it through for the opposition until the score was Opponents 256 – Melbourne 0.

But they do say that Melbourne engaged in “conduct prejudicial” in the LEAD UP to games. But according to McLachlan, this is not tanking. The mind boggles.

There are those Dees fans and hierarchy who will see this as a good result. I disagree. Either they tanked or they didn’t. This doesn’t clear their name. It is like that mystifying relic of history that remains in Scottish law: the “not proven” verdict.

It is my belief that Melbourne tanked in 2009. I’m hardly alone there. But the reality is that in the quasi-judicial process as entered into by the AFL belief is not enough. Proof is required.

As the AFL admits in its own statement, it cannot prove there was a directive at Melbourne in order to lose games and it cannot prove on matchday there was a plan to lose. Thus, Melbourne are cleared and walk out the front door. That’s how it is.

The mealy mouthed cowardice displayed by the AFL in trying to have its cake and eat it too – by fining the club and slapping sanctions on Connolly and Bailey they no doubt feel they will be seen to have done something – will only make things far worse down the track. Natural justice has not been served.

Melbourne will forever carry the stain of having engaged in “conduct prejudicial to the interest of the AFL” – whatever that may be, and most of us will just continue in our belief they tanked – in the 2009 season. Dean Bailey is suspended for 16 weeks and has professional name besmirched for essentially doing what coaches will do every week this season, rest players or perhaps play somebody out of position. In AFL land anyway.

Chris Connolly cops a year long suspension for basically being a tool. According to the AFL he: “acted in a manner concerning pre-game planning, comprising comments to a football department meeting, which was prejudicial to the interests of the AFL.”

No, either he directed the coach to try and lose a game by his selections and coaching, or he didn’t. No grey area.

Everybody knows that the cover up always makes things worse. And this is what the AFL is doing here: engaging in a cover up. They should either have found Melbourne guilty of tanking and whacked them hard.

Or they should have exonerated them fully, but been crystal clear about what would and wouldn’t constitute tanking, so no club could be under any doubt.

Instead, the AFL has merely extended the grey area on the matter unto infinity. If Bailey cops a whack for “resting players”, should Mark Harvey not get the same for his infamous decision to rest half the Freo team before the game against Hawthorn in 2011?

And if resting players who are fit is “conduct prejudicial to the interests of the AFL” and worthy of a 16 week ban, then surely running such a shoddy footy department that ASADA are forced to investigate what is being injected into your players, because you don’t know, is worth … who knows what?

Make no mistake, the AFL, in their attempt to be cute, have made things worse with this decision. Instead of facing up to the tanking saga, they have simply kicked it down the road to get bigger and uglier and lie in wait to pounce again, as it surely will.




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Posting BF eels. If you take this as truth Im sure you also agree with all the other posts made on BF :lol:
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Xman wrote:
Posting BF eels. If you take this as truth Im sure you also agree with all the other posts made on BF :lol:

but but but


marcus exposed as a delusional loon ... again :lol: :lol: :lol:
RL SOO II 4.194 Million veiwers
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NRL GF 3.968 Million
VFL Grand Final 3.620 Million
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Kangaroos V NZ 1.214 Million

Sookerwhos V Japan 238K :lol:
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Raiderdave wrote:
Xman wrote:
Posting BF eels. If you take this as truth Im sure you also agree with all the other posts made on BF :lol:

but but but


marcus exposed as a delusional loon ... again :lol: :lol: :lol:
Exposed by a post on a forum..... :lol:

Dave, exposed as a ******, oh wait, thats been well established
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Xman wrote:
Posting BF eels. If you take this as truth Im sure you also agree with all the other posts made on BF :lol:
http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/02/26/af ... n-tatters/

Blind wombat does not get close to describing you.... :lol: :lol:

AFL fans around the country are starting to ask the hard questions, when is MR Demetruio going to call it a day?

And the larger questions, who is going to replace Demetruio?
Redb said | February 26th 2013 @ 9:36am | Report comment

I’m far from a usual critic of AD, here’s my piece from only 8 months ago.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/06/08/de ... y-top-AFL/

I think much has changed in that time. The tanking issue illustrates poor management from the early evidence in 2007 to 2009, AD’s blatant denial of tanking and continued support of the priority pick (albeit good intended) has worked against the game. There has been ample evidence in US sports of the same problem. .

I think AD needs to move on. Sure he wont spit the dummy and walk out tommorrow that would be more damaging, but a staged exit has been put in place and so far they’ve botched it as McLachlan has been made to look like a dill.
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Demetriou has made a real mess of things and should go.

They have attempted to cover up things on too many occasions at the AFL. Enough is enough.

As Kennett said, the culture needs changing and Demetriou is all about the old ways of cover ups and controlling the image. =D>

The image now is ugly and needs a new face to alter the perception. =D> =D>

The 2 months holiday to go to the Olympics and Lake Como in Italy mid season last year was arrogance and contempt. It also said we do not need him around because it works perfectly well without him.
Redb said | February 27th 2013 @ 9:49am | Report comment

Brewski,

I’ve always been a fan of his overall efforts for the game. The tanking issue though has been a dogs breakfast and the CEO must be accountable for the damage to the games image regardless of how pragmatic the AFL were endeavouring to be. =D> =D>

It’s time for a change.
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People are entitled to their opinion. There are just as many supporting AD on BF. I side with him also. Its not as if he's the only person making decisions :roll:
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Raiderdave wrote:
Xman wrote:
Posting BF eels. If you take this as truth Im sure you also agree with all the other posts made on BF :lol:

but but but


marcus exposed as a delusional loon ... again :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well look at this dave.... :wink:

The AFL helping expansion teams by rigging the competition, ie paying players outside the Cap..... =D> =D>

We have been aware of this for quite some time, when are these AFL gimps going to wake up and realize that they follow a orchestrated theater company.... :lol: :lol: :lol:


AFL will look at topping up Lance Franklin's pay if decides to move north and join GWS

LANCE Franklin could be paid by the AFL outside the salary cap should he choose to leave Hawthorn for Greater Western Sydney.
Tony Lockett

Swans champion Tony Lockett was paid by the league as an ambassador in an expansion market.

The AFL would consider making Franklin an ambassador of the game, as it did rugby league converts Israel Folau and Karmichael Hunt.

But the league would not enter into an arrangement until after Franklin had committed to the Giants.

AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou yesterday confirmed a precedent existed where an AFL player - Tony Lockett - was paid by the league as an ambassador in an expansion market.

Lockett joined Sydney from St Kilda in 1995.

Demetriou yesterday stressed the AFL would not be part of any deal to send Franklin north, but would look at a proposal from GWS after Franklin had signed.

"It would be assessed on its merits, and if it made sense, our guys would put a recommendation in," Demetriou said.

"Under no circumstances are they to enter into an arrangement with a club to entice a player to go somewhere on the basis we are going to top up his salary."

The game's most dynamic player has delayed contract talks with Hawthorn until the end of the season, prompting fears he could be headed elsewhere.

His manager, Liam Pickering, said at the weekend he had not fielded offers from another club.

GWS chief executive David Matthews would not comment on recruiting, although it is understood the Giants, who last week re-signed several players, including key forward Jonathon Patton, would now put Franklin on the agenda.

The club has room in its salary cap to pay Franklin about $1.2 million a season.

Demetriou, who believes Franklin will stay at the Hawks, said an ambassador's role had to be "unique".

"If there's going to be an ambassador, it's got to be because the player is doing something unique and they're helping us promote the game," he said.

"The last player who went to Sydney on that sort of basis was Tony Lockett, and he was an ambassador, so there is a precedent for it.

"We set up Karmichael Hunt and Israel Folau because they were two rugby league players and we paid them quite publicly outside the cap. And they did a lot of work in that role."

The AFL also has appointed 11 multicultural ambassadors, including Richmond's Bachar Houli, Collingwood's Harry O'Brien, St Kilda's Leigh Montagna and West Coast's Nic Naitanui.

Demetriou said splitting Franklin's contract was not an option.

"We couldn't have a discussion with GWS to say we'll give him $5 and you give him $2 and we can give him $7 ... we wouldn't be party to that," he said.

It's not fair to the other clubs."



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Firstly, theyre considering it, its not a done deal dunce... :lol: :lol: :D

Secondly, he's a marketable figure and would be paid by the AFL to market the game in an expansion state. Good on the AFL for taking expansion seriously and transparently. This is unlike the NRL who were secretly propping up the storm with a football budget higher than any NRL team while they smashed your comp for over a decade!

But in the end it would be no different to the Falou or hunt deals. He would be paid a handsome playing fee by GWS within the salary cap, then a marketing fee by the AFL for work done to promote the game in NSW.

Wow, these guys mean business. Very clever from the number one sports administration in the country. =D>
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The AFL would consider making Franklin an ambassador of the game, as it did rugby league converts Israel Folau and Karmichael Hunt
Does anyone find anything a lil obtuse about this statement? :lol: :lol: :lol:

The AFL - A circus act to be ridiculed :lol:

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King-Eliagh wrote:
The AFL would consider making Franklin an ambassador of the game, as it did rugby league converts Israel Folau and Karmichael Hunt
Does anyone find anything a lil obtuse about this statement? :lol: :lol: :lol:

The AFL - A circus act to be ridiculed :lol:

You mean a statement made by a journalist..... :roll:
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It's true dikkwad :lol: Izzy and Khunt have been and continue to be ambassadors to your game. How's that feel? After all you've said about NRL players, you gotta understand that NRL players are ambassadors of your code :_<>

Ohhhhhh the irony! :lol:
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