Talking Footy

King-Eliagh wrote:

Xman, I think there's an elephant in the AFL room here which you've missed. Why no gay AFL players have ever had the confidence and support to be public in their identity? I'm not suggesting this is necessary or that RL is perfect in its approach to sexuality but its a clear 1-0 win to RL on this one. In regards to your comment on racism, again I think you'll find there's more seething issues and problems bubbling up in the AFL comp than RL. If this code would improve its diversity im confident there would be less. Until then we must acknowledge the lack of diversity and TLPG's fear to show pictures of the predominantly white anglo set of immigrants he has pulled out of his arse. Sorry pulled out of his arse doesnt quite fit that statement...pulled out of his 90% anglo code. Thats better. :D

The fact a RL player has declared his alternative lifestyle could easily indicate he believed tenvy ultras attitudes judgmental or even hostile and he wanted to make a statement. You can't just put your spin on it and expect us to agree. Why haven't you come out of the closet yet?

The AFL have been very accepting of different cultures and racial groups, and even openly brag when players from other countries are recruited. But the fact remains that the AFL is predominantly made up of anglosaxons because this racial group still makes up the majority of Australians population.

tenvy ultras attitudes? Havent heard of them before but i get the gist. The Ian Roberts coming out was a much celebrated affair indicating positive outcomes. I'm unaware of his intentions but the fact he did it and knew he could is clearly something gay AFL players have not felt comfortable to do. I'm not putting spin on it, its just the facts imreporting here.

As for your question on my sexuality? It's just another example of your confusion, narrow mindedness and incorrectness. You're one messed up fella Xman

The AFL "openly bragging" when players from other countries are recruited highlights just how far behind the NRL they are in this, thanks. What we have in the AFL is 20+ years what we had in RL when it was a novelty having martin offiah come play. Nowadays fans and the nrl don't barely even notice those from backgrounds other than anglo, it's just that diverse. The AFL? They hold their 'tokens' high and, as Xman says, "openly brag".

The fact remains the AFL is less ethnically diverse than the NRL, in its players and I'd argue fanbase. This fact can only result in a code which is less tolerant and therefore prone to higher levels of racism.

:D

King-Eliagh wrote:

tenvy ultras attitudes? Havent heard of them before but i get the gist. The Ian Roberts coming out was a much celebrated affair indicating positive outcomes. I'm unaware of his intentions but the fact he did it and knew he could is clearly something gay AFL players have not felt comfortable to do. I'm not putting spin on it, its just the facts imreporting here.

As for your question on my sexuality? It's just another example of your confusion, narrow mindedness and incorrectness. You're one messed up fella Xman

The AFL "openly bragging" when players from other countries are recruited highlights just how far behind the NRL they are in this, thanks. What we have in the AFL is 20+ years what we had in RL when it was a novelty having martin offiah come play. Nowadays fans and the nrl don't barely even notice those from backgrounds other than anglo, it's just that diverse. The AFL? They hold their 'tokens' high and, as Xman says, "openly brag".

The fact remains the AFL is less ethnically diverse than the NRL, in its players and I'd argue fanbase. This fact can only result in a code which is less tolerant and therefore prone to higher levels of racism.

:D

Again, you are entitled to your opinion as to why a single RL player has declared his sexual preference, and why an AFL player has not, but until you speak directly to the players involved you are merely guessing. As I said, it could easily be that the RL player believed the redneck RL culture required the cultural challenge, and the AFLs does not.

Recent racist events in both codes suggest neither is perfect in this regard. However clearly the larger number of international players in the NRL has had little effect when fans openly abuse their own indiginous players.

Diversity increases tolerance. This is accepted theory Xman. Your comments are "merely guessing"

And in regards to Roberts coming out, as i said, the fact he did it, and the fact he knew he could is something which has not occurred in the AFL. Its a positive and was celebrated. The AFL have not been able to celebrate this before. I dont know all the ins and outs of the issue but, clearly, NRL 1 AFL 0. Thems the cold hard facts Xman, spin as you will my friend but unfortunately you cant change that fact. k?

King-Eliagh wrote:

Diversity increases tolerance.

Correct - and the AFL has more of it than the NRL. Don't give me this limitation to the definition of ethnicity - because that claim is racist and intolerant. 51 countries are represented in the AFL over the years. How many are represented in the NRL over the years? You have failed to provide evidence to prove that it's anywhere near 51. At present - until you prove otherwise - I don't believe it to be any more than about 20 and even that is a guess.

King-Eliagh wrote:

Diversity increases tolerance. This is accepted theory Xman. Your comments are "merely guessing"

And in regards to Roberts coming out, as i said, the fact he did it, and the fact he knew he could is something which has not occurred in the AFL. Its a positive and was celebrated. The AFL have not been able to celebrate this before. I dont know all the ins and outs of the issue but, clearly, NRL 1 AFL 0. Thems the cold hard facts Xman, spin as you will my friend but unfortunately you cant change that fact. k?

Guess. Show us documented evidence describing his motives and you could be right. Until then...

TLPG wrote:

King-Eliagh wrote:

Diversity increases tolerance.

Correct - and the AFL has more of it than the NRL. Don't give me this limitation to the definition of ethnicity - because that claim is racist and intolerant. 51 countries are represented in the AFL over the years. How many are represented in the NRL over the years? You have failed to provide evidence to prove that it's anywhere near 51. At present - until you prove otherwise - I don't believe it to be any more than about 20 and even that is a guess.

Laughable. Hitler would've only been mildly disappointed with your interpretation of ethnic diversity TLPG. Racism is based on difference and fear and misunderstanding of such difference. History to date has proven that the most overt and disgraceful forms of racism occur when differences are sharpest i.e. skin colour/appearance and established cultural differences which cause tension such as religious values. The makeup of the AFL playing population is definitely markedly similar in their outward appearance i.e. 90% anglo. The numbers of recent migrants i.e. those with the most marked differences in culture and values, playing in the AFL is minimal.



RL on the other hand personifies the multicultural ideal.



Thems the facts but thanks for agreeing that diversity builds tolerance TLPG.

Haha.

Tell me how many different racial groups are in that RL photo! Looks like a code dominated by one - pacific islanders

Something wrong with your eyes Xman? Once again you're incorrect.

Diversity - The NRL has it in bucketloads. The AFL - its one nation or the white australia policy. Just decades behind is the AFL.

King-Eliagh wrote:

Something wrong with your eyes Xman? Once again you're incorrect.

Diversity - The NRL has it in bucketloads. The AFL - its one nation or the white australia policy. Just decades behind is the AFL.

So the vast majority of those players aren't from pacific island nations?

Isn't that an Australian team? Are you suggesting that team accurately represents Australia's racial mix?

Yes the vast majority is not from pacific island nations dimwit.

And no, I'm suggesting the team represents the multicultural ideal which australia prides itself on. You are quite dim.

King-Eliagh wrote:

Yes the vast majority is not from pacific island nations dimwit.

And no, I'm suggesting the team represents the multicultural ideal which australia prides itself on. You are quite dim.

It's still not an accurate representation of Australia, just RL participating nations. There is little to no participation from other substantial immigrant populations.

That's never been my point dimwit. My point is the NRL better represents multicultural diversity than the AFL and is therefore more tolerant and less racist. I've argued my point with sound evidence. You've argued something different, which is quite frankly irrelevant to the topic. Some things stay the same eh?

King-Eliagh wrote:

That's never been my point dimwit. My point is the NRL better represents multicultural diversity than the AFL and is therefore more tolerant and less racist. I've argued my point with sound evidence. You've argued something different, which is quite frankly irrelevant to the topic. Some things stay the same eh?

Ah no, it represents the ethnic groups that play RL, with almost 50% coming from one region, the pacific islands. Yet Benji Marshall was recently racially abused, as was Sam Thaiday. How is this an increase in tolerance for the ethnic groups that are well represented in the code, let alone all those that are not?

KE is demonstrating without a shadow of a doubt that he is a cultural bigot. He tries to ignore the fact that 51 countries have been represented in the AFL, and claims that proof lies in skin colour. That's a crock of crap and the man in the street would know it.

Just by the by, who's the Irishman in the Canterbury photo? There's one in the Swans photo!