Talking Footy

pussycat wrote:

The Newcasle club has recenty entered into private ownership from one of the richest men in Australia. So that only leave Gold Coast , any financial problems they have are being blown out of all proportion. Unnlike your Gold Coast that is a muti-million dollar black hole. And your other reigonal club Port Adelaide, also needs to be drip fed to keep afloat.

why is port a regional club... ?
its in a mainland capital

the AFL have 1 regional side ... & 1 only
& will only ever have

1

Raiderdave wrote:

Onions wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

theres 2.5 is there ?

Canberra Raiders
Newcastle Knights
St George Illawarra Dragons ( Wollongong)
Gold Coast Titans
North Queensland Cowboys

gee.. I see 4.5 at least
but then again.... I can count

& I consider any team that plays regularly out of a regional centre like the Dragons do .. to be a regional side too
thats 5

Gold Coast and Canberra aren't regional, ********! GC is a part of Brisbane metro according to YOUR link about metro TV coverage! Canberra's the national capital and not regional and never ******* has been!!!

ummmm............
ohhhh dear

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Can't bring yourself to admit it, huh kid?

The AFL doesn't need any more regional clubs than Geelong! We have a lock on EVERY CAPITAL CITY! Which is more than your stupid sport can claim!

Mr Beaussie. Let’s start again I proved my stats with website suppport, where is your backup. Again, until you produce some evidence, I will keep laughing at your correspondence. Your comments like regional stats are flawed, where is your proof and why? You forget the numbers balance with the same data all AFL fans use in your comments on multiple occasions and you continue to ignore it when it suits. Your continued lack of figures as I mentioned in my last update continue to amuse. Regarding stats as you put forward in your one eyed views, I do not see any proof (yet again) just bu**S**t comments with no supporting evidence (prove the double counting, without it being a AFL based website or blog). Again, why is AFL only played in Australia and you only use five city counts, oh sorry forgot you only use figures that suit your correspondence and the fact that NRL is played in more countries then AU should be ignore haha.
You ask when was the last time the regional figure where included in negotiations and prove your one eyed b**shit again. I am sure they will be put forward in the next negotiations which we will use real information on the table unlike yourselves. Double ups prove your comments champ, your figures exclude the real figure which we use rather than try to make excuses of so called double ups.
How good is your game really when you are rewarded for missing the goal and some of the highest paid player’s that is in your game come from rugby league to try and boost your unrealistic TV rights and popularity outside of melbourne. Interestingly, we are not chasing any AFL players as they can’t’ play our game. We trump your TV right figures (and will continue to sorry I have proof backing my arguement, I can't help that).
That is the difference between you and I. We are happy to admit that more fans go to the ground to watch AFL in comparison to Rugby League as that is a fact, however significantly more rugby League fans watch the NRL on tv, regardless of what you throw at me.
Lastly, are your a national sport only when it suits you either there are people in Australia that live in the bush or they don’t? I grew up in the bush and I can assure you that AFL is not that well supported as much as you may like it to be.
Onion
Congratulations, you have proven your ignorance and tunnel vision for anyone who reads these forums. Your comment that AFL doesn’t need anything other than Geelong to prove they are regional. Again is there anything in your eyes outside Melbourne, Adelaide or Hobart which are the only real states that I would consider your game to be dominate. Unless there is an argument you can proove, give me a break.

Onion, proove your capital city lock, as far I as I understsand it NSW is the biggest city. Melb is no 2 and is AFL, followed by Brisbane which is NRL. So please confirm that you are suggesting two of the three biggest cities are supporting rugby league. Therefore, you have three of the smallest capital cities covered, well done champ. You obviously do not read my last correspondence which included Perth as a interesting city, which covers both sports. I would conceed Perth is AFL dominated, however when you consider there is no major NRL side over there you must be interested in the numbers that turn out to a game. AFL, the national sport, grow up.

I had this conversation/argument with two AFL fan in the pub the other week. It is very interesting that you are all consistantly one eyed and only see a one side view in sport. I was happy to admit you have more members and supporter to the ground, however you want everything, even if it includes crap/lies ie more tv viewers. You guys will come to reality when we go through our next negotiation for tv rights.
=D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

Onions wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Onions wrote:

Gold Coast and Canberra aren't regional, ********! GC is a part of Brisbane metro according to YOUR link about metro TV coverage! Canberra's the national capital and not regional and never ******* has been!!!

ummmm............
ohhhh dear

:_<>

Can't bring yourself to admit it, huh kid?

The AFL doesn't need any more regional clubs than Geelong! We have a lock on EVERY CAPITAL CITY! Which is more than your stupid sport can claim!

ooops sorry
the AFL has 2 regional sides .. I forgot Geelong

you have a lock on 3 capitals .. there yours
you hardly have the other 2 though .. there ours

our 2 have as many people in them as your 3

we mop the floor with you in support in regional areas

we win

Dogs wrote:

Onion, proove your capital city lock, as far I as I understsand it NSW is the biggest city. Melb is no 2 and is AFL, followed by Brisbane which is NRL. So please confirm that you are suggesting two of the three biggest cities are supporting rugby league. Therefore, you have three of the smallest capital cities covered, well done champ. You obviously do not read my last correspondence which included Perth as a interesting city, which covers both sports. I would conceed Perth is AFL dominated, however when you consider there is no major NRL side over there you must be interested in the numbers that turn out to a game. AFL, the national sport, grow up.

Turn it up! Another deluded fuck wit hey? Populations of Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide is MORE than the combined population of Sydney and Brisbane so stick that up your arse and shit it! Perth will NEVER have an NRL team again. They have a Union team and that's the limit!

AFL is the national game and if you don't want to see that then YOU grow the fuck up! Another little boy. You should change your user name to Puppies!

We have a lock on all five capitals, Raider Boy! When the Lions come around their average attendance will go back past the Broncos. The Swans average attendance is is biggest of all the clubs in Sydney! When West Sydney come in the Penrith and Parramatta average will drop below 10 K!

The currency to which broadcast rights are brought and sold is the capital cities. You may not like that fact, but that is the reality. Seriously why would broadcasters take into account the completely flawed analysis provided through regional tv ratings where double counting of capital cities and regional markets occurs right across the country.

Why do you say the regional method is flawed? They use basicaly the same sytem as that used for capital cities, and you regard that as gospel.

I put up some information a while back , that stated the TV networks where well aware of regional figures whether Demetriou cared to admit it or not. and you dissmissed these claims saying they came from an unreliable source, or an anti-AFL site, but yet your quiet happy to sprout crap and propaganda from the West Sydney Giants website.

Oh and tell me this, when was the last time a regional broadcaster was at the negotiating table for the broadcast rights of any program let alone sport?

My understanding here is that they don't, or not normally anyrate. The large networks though onsell the programming, and charge fees, based on demand. While some hold a stakes in these bussinesses.

All the tv ratings sites going use only the captial cities as a guide and even that is not perfect with the limited sample size. Unfortunately that's the best we have at present and that is what broadcasters look at (again whether you like it or not).

I recall posting links to quiet a few sites that had both, And I notice your own website post regional figures when it comes to finals or rep matches.

No one said these systems where perfect, however it's the most accurate we've got and the TV Networks are happy enough to use it.

Dogs wrote:

Onion, proove your capital city lock, as far I as I understsand it NSW is the biggest city.

So NSW is now a city... the biggest as you put it? Go back to school sunshine... You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Dogs wrote:

I had this conversation/argument with two AFL fan in the pub the other week. It is very interesting that you are all consistantly one eyed and only see a one side view in sport. I was happy to admit you have more members and supporter to the ground, however you want everything, even if it includes crap/lies ie more tv viewers. You guys will come to reality when we go through our next negotiation for tv rights.
=D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

You have never produced a tv deal worth anywhere near what the AFL has achieved. Keep dreaming sunshine.

Onions wrote:

Dogs wrote:

Onion, proove your capital city lock, as far I as I understsand it NSW is the biggest city. Melb is no 2 and is AFL, followed by Brisbane which is NRL. So please confirm that you are suggesting two of the three biggest cities are supporting rugby league. Therefore, you have three of the smallest capital cities covered, well done champ. You obviously do not read my last correspondence which included Perth as a interesting city, which covers both sports. I would conceed Perth is AFL dominated, however when you consider there is no major NRL side over there you must be interested in the numbers that turn out to a game. AFL, the national sport, grow up.

Turn it up! Another deluded **** wit hey? Populations of Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide is MORE than the combined population of Sydney and Brisbane so stick that up your arse and **** it! Perth will NEVER have an NRL team again. They have a Union team and that's the limit!

AFL is the national game and if you don't want to see that then YOU grow the **** up! Another little boy. You should change your user name to Puppies!

We have a lock on all five capitals, Raider Boy! When the Lions come around their average attendance will go back past the Broncos. The Swans average attendance is is biggest of all the clubs in Sydney! When West Sydney come in the Penrith and Parramatta average will drop below 10 K!

you have S.hit in 2
the biggest ... & the 3rd biggest

the Swans & Lions are gone .. seriously out the back door
GWS will never amount to anything

the suns ...will be saved from the wooden spoon in 2012 .. by GWS

pussycat wrote:

The currency to which broadcast rights are brought and sold is the capital cities. You may not like that fact, but that is the reality. Seriously why would broadcasters take into account the completely flawed analysis provided through regional tv ratings where double counting of capital cities and regional markets occurs right across the country.

Why do you say the regional method is flawed? They use basicaly the same sytem as that used for capital cities, and you regard that as gospel.

I would have thought double counting was a flawed analysis. Seems only NRL fans see such a flawed analysis as gospel. Deluded comes to mind when trying to understand your typical NRL supporters understanding of the Australian tv and broadcasting landscape.

All the tv ratings sites going use only the captial cities as a guide and even that is not perfect with the limited sample size. Unfortunately that's the best we have at present and that is what broadcasters look at (again whether you like it or not).

I recall posting links to quiet a few sites that had both, And I notice your own website post regional figures when it comes to finals or rep matches.

No one said these systems where perfect, however it's the most accurate we've got and the TV Networks are happy enough to use it.[/quote]

Beaussie wrote:

I would have thought double counting was a flawed analysis. Seems only NRL fans see such a flawed analysis as gospel. Deluded comes to mind when trying to understand your typical NRL supporters understanding of the Australian tv and broadcasting landscape.

My understanding is that these various Tam measurements are only for measuring televison sets, more specifically what your watching on them. If you happen to be in one of those duel signal areas, then assuming you are an NRL fan, your watching either c9 or Win - not both. So you would be counted by metro/regional Tam - not both.

Raiderdave wrote:

Onions wrote:

Dogs wrote:

Onion, proove your capital city lock, as far I as I understsand it NSW is the biggest city. Melb is no 2 and is AFL, followed by Brisbane which is NRL. So please confirm that you are suggesting two of the three biggest cities are supporting rugby league. Therefore, you have three of the smallest capital cities covered, well done champ. You obviously do not read my last correspondence which included Perth as a interesting city, which covers both sports. I would conceed Perth is AFL dominated, however when you consider there is no major NRL side over there you must be interested in the numbers that turn out to a game. AFL, the national sport, grow up.

Turn it up! Another deluded **** wit hey? Populations of Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide is MORE than the combined population of Sydney and Brisbane so stick that up your arse and **** it! Perth will NEVER have an NRL team again. They have a Union team and that's the limit!

AFL is the national game and if you don't want to see that then YOU grow the **** up! Another little boy. You should change your user name to Puppies!

We have a lock on all five capitals, Raider Boy! When the Lions come around their average attendance will go back past the Broncos. The Swans average attendance is is biggest of all the clubs in Sydney! When West Sydney come in the Penrith and Parramatta average will drop below 10 K!

you have S.hit in 2
the biggest ... & the 3rd biggest

the Swans & Lions are gone .. seriously out the back door
GWS will never amount to anything

the suns ...will be saved from the wooden spoon in 2012 .. by GWS

They won't get it in 2011! Port Adelaide will!

You are proving yet again how deluded you are, Raider Boy! The Swans are going to play finals and the Lions will be back before too long. West Sydney will push Penrith and Parramatta to the brink!

Dogs wrote:

Mr Beaussie. Let’s start again I proved my stats with website suppport, where is your backup. Again, until you produce some evidence, I will keep laughing at your correspondence.

I don't need to prove anything to you. The proof is in the fact/reality that only the commercial tv networks in the capital cities bid for broadcast rights and make the important programming decisions.

Dogs wrote:

Your comments like regional stats are flawed, where is your proof and why? You forget the numbers balance with the same data all AFL fans use in your comments on multiple occasions and you continue to ignore it when it suits. Your continued lack of figures as I mentioned in my last update continue to amuse. Regarding stats as you put forward in your one eyed views, I do not see any proof (yet again) just bu**S**t comments with no supporting evidence (prove the double counting, without it being a AFL based website or blog).

The maps on the OzTAM and AGBNielsen sites show the overlapping areas where the double counting occurs.

Dogs wrote:

Again, why is AFL only played in Australia and you only use five city counts, oh sorry forgot you only use figures that suit your correspondence and the fact that NRL is played in more countries then AU should be ignore haha.

Stop being so narrow minded. Australian Football is played all over the world.

Dogs wrote:

You ask when was the last time the regional figure where included in negotiations and prove your one eyed b****** again. I am sure they will be put forward in the next negotiations which we will use real information on the table unlike yourselves. Double ups prove your comments champ, your figures exclude the real figure which we use rather than try to make excuses of so called double ups.

Again, the currency by which programming and broadcast rights are bought is based on the capital cities. When was the last time you saw executives from Prime, WIN or Southern Cross mentioned in the negotiations or at the negotiating table? Put simply, they don't count.

Dogs wrote:

How good is your game really when you are rewarded for missing the goal and some of the highest paid player’s that is in your game come from rugby league to try and boost your unrealistic TV rights and popularity outside of melbourne. Interestingly, we are not chasing any AFL players as they can’t’ play our game. We trump your TV right figures (and will continue to sorry I have proof backing my arguement, I can't help that).

Oh dear, this rubbish above from a fan of a code that likes to call itself football, yet most of the play doesn't even involve the ball being kicked. Most of the players don't even know how to kick a ball in what can only be described as bash and barge. Oh and how about passing a ball backwards to go forwards. Great logic there.

Dogs wrote:

That is the difference between you and I. We are happy to admit that more fans go to the ground to watch AFL in comparison to Rugby League as that is a fact, however significantly more rugby League fans watch the NRL on tv, regardless of what you throw at me.
Lastly, are your a national sport only when it suits you either there are people in Australia that live in the bush or they don’t? I grew up in the bush and I can assure you that AFL is not that well supported as much as you may like it to be.

Bullshit. If what you said was the case, the NRL would be valued more than the national jewel that is the AFL. As for that last sentence, what rot. Millions of people in the bush love Australian Football. How else would you explain the thousands of participants and competitons going on each and every week during winter right across the country. Why can't you accept the fact that the majority of Australians prefer our own game over the foreign import that is your game?