Talking Footy

pussycat wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:39 am

And paying players isn't an operational reason? There nothing more important.

It was you that was trying to convince yourself and everybody else that the $280m debt was a good thing.

Both west and Saints haven't got loans to my knowledge - maybe an advance on funding, though St George are doing very well at the moment and if they did get a handout it certainly wasn't anywhere near what the lions, Suns, GWS and others get.

However you want to describe the Money , outside of funding and prize money , its all handouts.

It was hardly me who brought any of this up so maybe you should take some of your own advice!

The_Wookie wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:34 am

pussycat wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:39 am

And paying players isn't an operational reason? There nothing more important.

Promising them money you dont have is idiotic.

It was you that was trying to convince yourself and everybody else that the $280m debt was a good thing.

its certainly not a bad thing. Loans for capital investment arent bad.

Both west and Saints haven't got loans to my knowledge - maybe an advance on funding, though St George are doing very well at the moment and if they did get a handout it certainly wasn't anywhere near what the lions, Suns, GWS and others get.

learn to fucking read then. St george had to get an emergency 6.5 million loan - about the equivelant of the fuding St Kilda and Brisbane received. Wests still owe about 3 million apparently.

It’s not helping the NRL in that it still hasn’t sold the Gold Coast Titans or the Newcastle Knights to private owners.

Both clubs are losing about $2 million a year under the NRL’s ownership.

Also, the commission was forced to save a desperate St George Illawarra with a $6.5 million loan — money that still hasn’t been repaid.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl ... 94843a1dc3

and since I know you'll write that off to be the telegraph. heres a link to the SMH saying the same thing

It is understood the Dragons still owe the NRL about $6 million while the Tigers' loan is about half of that, but still a significant burden to carry

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... t1dk2.html

And given that GWS and Gold Coast are still establishing themselves, youd expect the NRL clubs to be receiving less.

However you want to describe the Money , outside of funding and prize money , its all handouts.

No its not, but you just dont get it, and Im tired of repeating myself.

It was hardly me who brought any of this up so maybe you should take some of your own advice!

You were always going to do this shit, dont deny it.

NRL&NFLweLaughATafl wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:34 am

I am first to admit Tod Greenberg is far from being the NRLs best ceo.

As for Newcastle. They are being bought by Wests Group and the Titans are said to have several parties interested in buying them including Norths so both clubs will have private owners by next year.
Basically both clubs with be self sufficient when bought.

Hardly a crisis.

Have you guys forgotten the state of multipremiership winning AFL clubs like the Brisbane Lions?? Also your own Gold Coast suns are hardly in a good way either.

The_Wookie wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:19 am

pussycat wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:40 am

You haven't taken out loan?????? what a lot of bullshit.

No one said we hadnt take out a loan, what we have done is take out a loan for operational reasons, its a loan specifically to facilitate a capital purchase.

And time will tell if it was a good investment or not. Meanwhile you've got $280m to repay and all the interest that comes with it.

Geez i wonder if the well credentialled business folks at the top of the AFL considered that.

Hand outs - at least $80m in addition to club grants. What else would you call them?

You dont understand what the funding is for or how its broken down. Just because its over the basic club grant doesnt make it a handout. The AFL collects considerable revenue centrally for distribution back to the clubs that is not part of the club grant. This includes signage at the MCG and Etihad, AFL memberships with club support components, licensing revenues, game buyouts and pourage rights.

it also includes equal and disequal funding which is determined by the impact on a club of the AFLs fixturing and stadium deals on memberships, attendance and sponsorship. Some funding considerations are giving to club upgrades in facilities and staffing.

The AFL makes mention of some of this in its annual reports

The AFL makes a number of distributions and payments to AFL clubs. These payments included the following in 2016:

* A base distribution to all clubs which totalled $147.4 million, an increase of $5.4 million;
* A bonus distribution of $1.2 million to each club;
* Other payments to clubs included equal and disequal financial assistance, prize money, distribution of the AFL’s signage rights at Etihad Stadium and promotional funding to help clubs develop the game around Australia

Funding for Brisbane and the Saints is no less assistance than what has been handed to St George or Wests of late, except the AFL doesnt bother pretending its a loan they'll get back.

And God forbid the AFL should actually support its two newest teams.

NRL hand out to clubs $5 or 6 m! AFL handout to clubs $80m +.

Oh you have figures for how much it costs them to lose money on the titans and knights? The NRL doesnt have anywhere near the revenue centralisation the AFL has either.

So fucken What . That'll happen when they want it to happen. Then only thing that's years away(maybe lifetimes) is AFL and international interest.

Fuck off and pay attention to your own competitions many prohlems and procrastinations before inventing ones in the AFL that dont exist.

NlolRL wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:39 am

NRL&NFLweLaughATafl wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:34 am

I am first to admit Tod Greenberg is far from being the NRLs best ceo.

As for Newcastle. They are being bought by Wests Group and the Titans are said to have several parties interested in buying them including Norths so both clubs will have private owners by next year.
Basically both clubs with be self sufficient when bought.

Hardly a crisis.

Have you guys forgotten the state of multipremiership winning AFL clubs like the Brisbane Lions?? Also your own Gold Coast suns are hardly in a good way either.

The difference is they are both expansion teams who have been very poor on field for many years. Once they see on field success they have a chance to rise again. The Titans have seen recent finals, and newcastle are a heartland club. Add to that the AFL have the funds to keep their teams afloat during hard times. Do the NRL?

NRL&NFLweLaughATafl wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:07 pm

NlolRL wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:39 am

NRL&NFLweLaughATafl wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:34 am

I am first to admit Tod Greenberg is far from being the NRLs best ceo.

As for Newcastle. They are being bought by Wests Group and the Titans are said to have several parties interested in buying them including Norths so both clubs will have private owners by next year.
Basically both clubs with be self sufficient when bought.

Hardly a crisis.

Have you guys forgotten the state of multipremiership winning AFL clubs like the Brisbane Lions?? Also your own Gold Coast suns are hardly in a good way either.

The difference is they are both expansion teams who have been very poor on field for many years. Once they see on field success they have a chance to rise again. The Titans have seen recent finals, and newcastle are a heartland club. Add to that the AFL have the funds to keep their teams afloat during hard times. Do the NRL?

The Newcastle knights have been near or at bottom of the table for 3 years and were run by a near bankrupt businessman. How has that been successful?

Newcastle are going to be one of the best funded clubs in the NRL once Wests Group take over in 2018.

Brisbane is a relocation club from Fitzroy and AFL has had a team in Brisbane before Newcastle even started.

A hundred plus years of history in the AFL and been around in Brisbane longer than Newcastle is a huge advantage and they are still a basketcase.

The very fact AFL can't even get any interest on any overseas nations really shows which is the better game.

AFL is a one trick pony.
1 country
1 competion
Nothing else to represent the code.
And all overseas exhibition attempts just flop lol

NRL&NFLweLaughATafl wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:07 pm

NlolRL wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:39 am

NRL&NFLweLaughATafl wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:34 am

I am first to admit Tod Greenberg is far from being the NRLs best ceo.

As for Newcastle. They are being bought by Wests Group and the Titans are said to have several parties interested in buying them including Norths so both clubs will have private owners by next year.
Basically both clubs with be self sufficient when bought.

Hardly a crisis.

Have you guys forgotten the state of multipremiership winning AFL clubs like the Brisbane Lions?? Also your own Gold Coast suns are hardly in a good way either.

The difference is they are both expansion teams who have been very poor on field for many years. Once they see on field success they have a chance to rise again. The Titans have seen recent finals, and newcastle are a heartland club. Add to that the AFL have the funds to keep their teams afloat during hard times. Do the NRL?

The Newcastle knights have been near or at bottom of the table for 3 years and were run by a near bankrupt businessman. How has that been successful?

Newcastle are going to be one of the best funded clubs in the NRL once Wests Group take over in 2018.

Brisbane is a relocation club from Fitzroy and AFL has had a team in Brisbane before Newcastle even started.

A hundred plus years of history in the AFL and been around in Brisbane longer than Newcastle is a huge advantage and they are still a basketcase.

The very fact AFL can't even get any interest on any overseas nations really shows which is the better game.

AFL is a one trick pony.
1 country
1 competion
Nothing else to represent the code.
And all overseas exhibition attempts just flop lol

pussycat wrote: Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:03 pm

You people are so fucking brainwashed . Alls well in the land of milk and honey