Will the NRL ever expand again??

[leeroy*NRL*]

Melbourne should get another team

very hard to see at the moment..

I would like to see a team in Melbourne's East South with its own stadium
(I could see that working) Down the track..........

[Swans4ever]

So is the short answer no expansion till 2022? Is so that's 6 years away! That's a very long time don't you think they may have missed the boat with Perth?? 6 years with no permanent presence in Perth isn't that handing over the region to RU?? Also Adelaide no doubt isn't even a faint hope, why Wellington?? If there's a further downturn in mining (and I have heard NG is just about rooted), you'll have a lot of NSW immigrants in WA flooding back.

I think the NRL will do expansion either at the end of current new Deal or start of next.
(so yes give or take around the 2020 mark

Yes I do believe the NRL should of went into Perth market sooner.
with all this waiting around (it is not going to make Perth a better place to put a team..

Western Force in rugby Union is going so bad (it is almost on its kness...

Adelaide know 2 sports
AFL & Cricket

Wellington be a great option (a derby game to Auckland)
Crowds have been brilliant when played there.
and has plenty of potential in Wellington and south of NZ

As you have known...

THE NRL has been completely shockingly run for years.

2013 was the turning point.. it will take time...

Certainly agree with everything you say but unless they start investing in Adelaide for an expansion in 20 - 30 yrs time they will never get in there. They really should start planning and present a proper proposal going forward - having more teams in RL areas particularly OS is all well and good but when companies come to promoting their products they want a national reach. Most people wouldn't know who sponsors what RL teams but in Melb, WA, Tas, NSW Old everyone could see Toyota sponsors Adelaide Crows. Because it's in their interest to promote it. It all seems very hap hazard and poorly planned!

[Fred]

Yes before any team they need to build grass roots rl in non traditional areas. Perth are doing okay i think in this regard and with more money coming in the nrl may be able to get more involved in this area.

[Swans4ever]

Yes before any team they need to build grass roots rl in non traditional areas. Perth are doing okay i think in this regard and with more money coming in the nrl may be able to get more involved in this area.

But I think the point is they really haven't revealed any strategic plan - e.g. 10 years Perth, 15 yrs time Central QLD, 20 yrs Wellington, 25-30 yrs Adelaide. Commit 10% of annual income to investiging in those areas on the basis of 75% Perth, 10% CQLD, 7% Wellington and 3% SA. Instead they are really being directed by who bids good in short term but more than likely stifles growth and doesn't expand market or player talent! That's my only point really.

[leeroy*NRL*]

Yes before any team they need to build grass roots rl in non traditional areas. Perth are doing okay i think in this regard and with more money coming in the nrl may be able to get more involved in this area.

But I think the point is they really haven't revealed any strategic plan - e.g. 10 years Perth, 15 yrs time Central QLD, 20 yrs Wellington, 25-30 yrs Adelaide. Commit 10% of annual income to investiging in those areas on the basis of 75% Perth, 10% CQLD, 7% Wellington and 3% SA. Instead they are really being directed by who bids good in short term but more than likely stifles growth and doesn't expand market or player talent! That's my only point really.

Yep I would love to see vision from the NRL

the NRL should be investing like you said in SA WA and NZ

I am waiting for the day.. It will happen.. in this new deal 2018 or start of next. its a certainty

I will give them a break for now because the commission is only 3 years old.

They did get Shane Richardson to be head of football and put a blue print for the future of rugby league

but he was bloody hopeless

only come up with increasing player squads Scrapping u20's and developing a different League in NSW and QLD

biggest waste of money ever...

[Swans4ever]

Yes before any team they need to build grass roots rl in non traditional areas. Perth are doing okay i think in this regard and with more money coming in the nrl may be able to get more involved in this area.

But I think the point is they really haven't revealed any strategic plan - e.g. 10 years Perth, 15 yrs time Central QLD, 20 yrs Wellington, 25-30 yrs Adelaide. Commit 10% of annual income to investiging in those areas on the basis of 75% Perth, 10% CQLD, 7% Wellington and 3% SA. Instead they are really being directed by who bids good in short term but more than likely stifles growth and doesn't expand market or player talent! That's my only point really.

Yep I would love to see vision from the NRL

the NRL should be investing like you said in SA WA and NZ

I am waiting for the day.. It will happen.. in this new deal 2018 or start of next. its a certainty

I will give them a break for now because the commission is only 3 years old.

They did get Shane Richardson to be head of football and put a blue print for the future of rugby league

but he was bloody hopeless

only come up with increasing player squads Scrapping u20's and developing a different League in NSW and QLD

biggest waste of money ever...

Yeah AFL went down path of TAC U18's and scrapped reserves now their all getting reserves sides because their players had to play for VFL sides with different structures and game plans.

[ParraEelsNRL]

All this yak yak yak yet no truth as usual.

Seems all the vfl fans forgot the titans as usual or just plain lied to set their agenda on its course.

No money the wookie says, hmmm. Isn't their current deal close too the current fumbles deal?
The fumbles put two teams in and it is costing them a fortune. The NRL didn't.
There are more players on a fumbles list to start with so more cost there too.
Meh what do I know anyway, the titans are a figment of my imagination according to you lot.
The ARL in 1995 had 20 teams, by the time two comps were up and fighting each other, there were 22 teams which was reduced with mergers and or relocations and sadly removals of a lot of loved historic clubs right down to 14 teams only until South's fought their way back in for the 2002 season. Then 5 years later the titans were formed to take the league back to the current 16.

There are lies mistruths and propaganda, sadly as usual it's all one way.

2007 was the last time the league expanded. Under the main league there are expansion teams already playing from the south coast in the Illawarra cutters, the central coast, Perth red pirates or whatever, new Zealand, PNG, Fiji next season, and a whole bunch of old and new Queensland teams wanting a piece of the action. So to say there has been no expansion since 1998 is a flat out lie for a start. The league at NRL level has jumped from 14 to 16 in that time with plenty more on the horizon. The NRL are making sure all the current clubs are viable first and the player depth is there first before adding anymore teams. Even an idiot should be able to see this, yet you knuckleheads can't. Go figure eh.

The game doesn't want to co tinue raiding the European super league to its detriment now does it? That wouldn't be smart business destroying your main European comp for another 40 odd players at least. Better off bringing in these new teams as they have in the lower divisions whilst growing the grassroots in those places so that once they do have a team, they can rely on homegrown talent which will have community support straight away over paying stars to move interstate or overseas in regard new Zealand, PNG or whatever they decide to do In the pacific which could combine two or even three nation jointly having a club playing three or four home games in separate places.

[Terry]

So is the short answer no expansion till 2022? Is so that's 6 years away! That's a very long time don't you think they may have missed the boat with Perth?? 6 years with no permanent presence in Perth isn't that handing over the region to RU?? Also Adelaide no doubt isn't even a faint hope, why Wellington?? If there's a further downturn in mining (and I have heard NG is just about rooted), you'll have a lot of NSW immigrants in WA flooding back.

I think the NRL will do expansion either at the end of current new Deal or start of next.
(so yes give or take around the 2020 mark

Yes I do believe the NRL should of went into Perth market sooner.
with all this waiting around (it is not going to make Perth a better place to put a team..

Western Force in rugby Union is going so bad (it is almost on its kness...

Adelaide know 2 sports
AFL & Cricket

Wellington be a great option (a derby game to Auckland)
Crowds have been brilliant when played there.
and has plenty of potential in Wellington and south of NZ

As you have known...

THE NRL has been completely shockingly run for years.

2013 was the turning point.. it will take time...

Certainly agree with everything you say but unless they start investing in Adelaide for an expansion in 20 - 30 yrs time they will never get in there. They really should start planning and present a proper proposal going forward - having more teams in RL areas particularly OS is all well and good but when companies come to promoting their products they want a national reach. Most people wouldn't know who sponsors what RL teams but in Melb, WA, Tas, NSW Old everyone could see Toyota sponsors Adelaide Crows. Because it's in their interest to promote it. It all seems very hap hazard and poorly planned!

Why would they wanna go to Adelaide ya dill lololololololol. It's a hick little country town in the middle of the desert. Let the fumblers have it I say. Everyone that lives there hasn't got a clue about the real world.......they live in a hicksville bubble ......they don't deserve a real sport!!

[Swans4ever]

All this yak yak yak yet no truth as usual.

Seems all the vfl fans forgot the titans as usual or just plain lied to set their agenda on its course.

No money the wookie says, hmmm. Isn't their current deal close too the current fumbles deal?
The fumbles put two teams in and it is costing them a fortune. The NRL didn't.
There are more players on a fumbles list to start with so more cost there too.
Meh what do I know anyway, the titans are a figment of my imagination according to you lot.
The ARL in 1995 had 20 teams, by the time two comps were up and fighting each other, there were 22 teams which was reduced with mergers and or relocations and sadly removals of a lot of loved historic clubs right down to 14 teams only until South's fought their way back in for the 2002 season. Then 5 years later the titans were formed to take the league back to the current 16.

There are lies mistruths and propaganda, sadly as usual it's all one way.

2007 was the last time the league expanded. Under the main league there are expansion teams already playing from the south coast in the Illawarra cutters, the central coast, Perth red pirates or whatever, new Zealand, PNG, Fiji next season, and a whole bunch of old and new Queensland teams wanting a piece of the action. So to say there has been no expansion since 1998 is a flat out lie for a start. The league at NRL level has jumped from 14 to 16 in that time with plenty more on the horizon. The NRL are making sure all the current clubs are viable first and the player depth is there first before adding anymore teams. Even an idiot should be able to see this, yet you knuckleheads can't. Go figure eh.

The game doesn't want to co tinue raiding the European super league to its detriment now does it? That wouldn't be smart business destroying your main European comp for another 40 odd players at least. Better off bringing in these new teams as they have in the lower divisions whilst growing the grassroots in those places so that once they do have a team, they can rely on homegrown talent which will have community support straight away over paying stars to move interstate or overseas in regard new Zealand, PNG or whatever they decide to do In the pacific which could combine two or even three nation jointly having a club playing three or four home games in separate places.

Your right I did forget the Titans - your the first to raise it and that in itself. Don't you think the NRL whilst having all these bids aren't really showing any sort of strategic plan it seems it's all a bit hap hazard - also they don't seem to care or are interested in areas like Adelaide and Perth while I haven't looked at recently looks years off have a first grade juniors.

[pussycat]

All this yak yak yak yet no truth as usual.

Seems all the vfl fans forgot the titans as usual or just plain lied to set their agenda on its course.

No money the wookie says, hmmm. Isn't their current deal close too the current fumbles deal?
The fumbles put two teams in and it is costing them a fortune. The NRL didn't.
There are more players on a fumbles list to start with so more cost there too.
Meh what do I know anyway, the titans are a figment of my imagination according to you lot.
The ARL in 1995 had 20 teams, by the time two comps were up and fighting each other, there were 22 teams which was reduced with mergers and or relocations and sadly removals of a lot of loved historic clubs right down to 14 teams only until South's fought their way back in for the 2002 season. Then 5 years later the titans were formed to take the league back to the current 16.

There are lies mistruths and propaganda, sadly as usual it's all one way.

2007 was the last time the league expanded. Under the main league there are expansion teams already playing from the south coast in the Illawarra cutters, the central coast, Perth red pirates or whatever, new Zealand, PNG, Fiji next season, and a whole bunch of old and new Queensland teams wanting a piece of the action. So to say there has been no expansion since 1998 is a flat out lie for a start. The league at NRL level has jumped from 14 to 16 in that time with plenty more on the horizon. The NRL are making sure all the current clubs are viable first and the player depth is there first before adding anymore teams. Even an idiot should be able to see this, yet you knuckleheads can't. Go figure eh.

The game doesn't want to co tinue raiding the European super league to its detriment now does it? That wouldn't be smart business destroying your main European comp for another 40 odd players at least. Better off bringing in these new teams as they have in the lower divisions whilst growing the grassroots in those places so that once they do have a team, they can rely on homegrown talent which will have community support straight away over paying stars to move interstate or overseas in regard new Zealand, PNG or whatever they decide to do In the pacific which could combine two or even three nation jointly having a club playing three or four home games in separate places.

Your right I did forget the Titans - your the first to raise it and that in itself. Don't you think the NRL whilst having all these bids aren't really showing any sort of strategic plan it seems it's all a bit hap hazard - also they don't seem to care or are interested in areas like Adelaide and Perth while I haven't looked at recently looks years off have a first grade juniors.

Swans what's all this fascination with expansion? Is it just jealousy and envy because the NRL do it so much better than the AFL?

Queensland is a Dead zone in the AFL with two miserable failures. And clubs like GWS, I'm sure you will tell me there in the finals blah, blah, blah. But there only there at the expense of the lower Melbourne sides that are struggling to survive due to the exorbitant money being pumped into the likes of GWS just to keep them afloat.

The Suns , GWS , the wions [-o< , what a dismal failure AFL expansion is.

Look at the NRL' expansion sides Melbourne, Gold Coast, Brisbane and before that Canberra. All profitable and all in the Semis. So stop waffling on about NRL expansion when AFL expansion is nothing short of a joke, a very sick one.

Sell out again for the storm tonight?

[Swans4ever]

So is the short answer no expansion till 2022? Is so that's 6 years away! That's a very long time don't you think they may have missed the boat with Perth?? 6 years with no permanent presence in Perth isn't that handing over the region to RU?? Also Adelaide no doubt isn't even a faint hope, why Wellington?? If there's a further downturn in mining (and I have heard NG is just about rooted), you'll have a lot of NSW immigrants in WA flooding back.

I think the NRL will do expansion either at the end of current new Deal or start of next.
(so yes give or take around the 2020 mark

Yes I do believe the NRL should of went into Perth market sooner.
with all this waiting around (it is not going to make Perth a better place to put a team..

Western Force in rugby Union is going so bad (it is almost on its kness...

Adelaide know 2 sports
AFL & Cricket

Wellington be a great option (a derby game to Auckland)
Crowds have been brilliant when played there.
and has plenty of potential in Wellington and south of NZ

As you have known...

THE NRL has been completely shockingly run for years.

2013 was the turning point.. it will take time...

Certainly agree with everything you say but unless they start investing in Adelaide for an expansion in 20 - 30 yrs time they will never get in there. They really should start planning and present a proper proposal going forward - having more teams in RL areas particularly OS is all well and good but when companies come to promoting their products they want a national reach. Most people wouldn't know who sponsors what RL teams but in Melb, WA, Tas, NSW Old everyone could see Toyota sponsors Adelaide Crows. Because it's in their interest to promote it. It all seems very hap hazard and poorly planned!

Why would they wanna go to Adelaide ya dill lololololololol. It's a hick little country town in the middle of the desert. Let the fumblers have it I say. Everyone that lives there hasn't got a clue about the real world.......they live in a hicksville bubble ......they don't deserve a real sport!!

The population of Wellington is 398,000 the population of Adelaide is 1.3 mil so your happy that your leaving a population base 3 times the size of Wellington out in favour of Wellington??? Well perhaps you drop the NATIONAL in NRL and instead make the title the NSW, QLD, NZ RL!

[Swans4ever]

All this yak yak yak yet no truth as usual.

Seems all the vfl fans forgot the titans as usual or just plain lied to set their agenda on its course.

No money the wookie says, hmmm. Isn't their current deal close too the current fumbles deal?
The fumbles put two teams in and it is costing them a fortune. The NRL didn't.
There are more players on a fumbles list to start with so more cost there too.
Meh what do I know anyway, the titans are a figment of my imagination according to you lot.
The ARL in 1995 had 20 teams, by the time two comps were up and fighting each other, there were 22 teams which was reduced with mergers and or relocations and sadly removals of a lot of loved historic clubs right down to 14 teams only until South's fought their way back in for the 2002 season. Then 5 years later the titans were formed to take the league back to the current 16.

There are lies mistruths and propaganda, sadly as usual it's all one way.

2007 was the last time the league expanded. Under the main league there are expansion teams already playing from the south coast in the Illawarra cutters, the central coast, Perth red pirates or whatever, new Zealand, PNG, Fiji next season, and a whole bunch of old and new Queensland teams wanting a piece of the action. So to say there has been no expansion since 1998 is a flat out lie for a start. The league at NRL level has jumped from 14 to 16 in that time with plenty more on the horizon. The NRL are making sure all the current clubs are viable first and the player depth is there first before adding anymore teams. Even an idiot should be able to see this, yet you knuckleheads can't. Go figure eh.

The game doesn't want to co tinue raiding the European super league to its detriment now does it? That wouldn't be smart business destroying your main European comp for another 40 odd players at least. Better off bringing in these new teams as they have in the lower divisions whilst growing the grassroots in those places so that once they do have a team, they can rely on homegrown talent which will have community support straight away over paying stars to move interstate or overseas in regard new Zealand, PNG or whatever they decide to do In the pacific which could combine two or even three nation jointly having a club playing three or four home games in separate places.

Your right I did forget the Titans - your the first to raise it and that in itself. Don't you think the NRL whilst having all these bids aren't really showing any sort of strategic plan it seems it's all a bit hap hazard - also they don't seem to care or are interested in areas like Adelaide and Perth while I haven't looked at recently looks years off have a first grade juniors.

Swans what's all this fascination with expansion? Is it just jealousy and envy because the NRL do it so much better than the AFL?

Queensland is a Dead zone in the AFL with two miserable failures. And clubs like GWS, I'm sure you will tell me there in the finals blah, blah, blah. But there only there at the expense of the lower Melbourne sides that are struggling to survive due to the exorbitant money being pumped into the likes of GWS just to keep them afloat.

The Suns , GWS , the wions [-o< , what a dismal failure AFL expansion is.

Look at the NRL' expansion sides Melbourne, Gold Coast, Brisbane and before that Canberra. All profitable and all in the Semis. So stop waffling on about NRL expansion when AFL expansion is nothing short of a joke, a very sick one.

Sell out again for the storm tonight?

Really they do it so well let me see, AFL sides to fold after expansion since 1980 - 0
RL sides to fold following expansion - Sth QLD Crushers, Gold Coast Seagulls, Hunter Mariners, Adelaide RAMS, Nth Sydney and Western Reds/Pirates - 6 clubs!

Wait for it SL war - but the fact is it just show RL is not very good at expansion with GC Titans and Newcastle, West Tigers under NRL administration just shows they bow too much to external pressures that are generally short sighted and don't have any real strategic plan. GWS is far from being a failure indeed can only be considered an ongoing success in a term term plan, Bris Lions will bounce back 23,000 members and an average of 17,000 home crowds better than most RL clubs - and GC well home crowd of 11500 and membership base of 12800 seems again on par with other RL clubs - your so blinded by arrogance that you don't even realise what your talking about!

[leeroy*NRL*]

The NRL will not do what the AFL done..

give start up clubs concessions, building them training Facilities
let them choose the best up and coming players across the country..

The License will be rewarded once they meet certain criteria's and off they go..
it will be a level playing field across the board.

THE NRL however should advertise and do certain marketing strategies
in the expansion market (if it was Perth for example.)

Not to give them a leg up
but to increase exposure of the team in that city...

Something the NRL and AFL do different.

[pussycat]

All this yak yak yak yet no truth as usual.

Seems all the vfl fans forgot the titans as usual or just plain lied to set their agenda on its course.

No money the wookie says, hmmm. Isn't their current deal close too the current fumbles deal?
The fumbles put two teams in and it is costing them a fortune. The NRL didn't.
There are more players on a fumbles list to start with so more cost there too.
Meh what do I know anyway, the titans are a figment of my imagination according to you lot.
The ARL in 1995 had 20 teams, by the time two comps were up and fighting each other, there were 22 teams which was reduced with mergers and or relocations and sadly removals of a lot of loved historic clubs right down to 14 teams only until South's fought their way back in for the 2002 season. Then 5 years later the titans were formed to take the league back to the current 16.

There are lies mistruths and propaganda, sadly as usual it's all one way.

2007 was the last time the league expanded. Under the main league there are expansion teams already playing from the south coast in the Illawarra cutters, the central coast, Perth red pirates or whatever, new Zealand, PNG, Fiji next season, and a whole bunch of old and new Queensland teams wanting a piece of the action. So to say there has been no expansion since 1998 is a flat out lie for a start. The league at NRL level has jumped from 14 to 16 in that time with plenty more on the horizon. The NRL are making sure all the current clubs are viable first and the player depth is there first before adding anymore teams. Even an idiot should be able to see this, yet you knuckleheads can't. Go figure eh.

The game doesn't want to co tinue raiding the European super league to its detriment now does it? That wouldn't be smart business destroying your main European comp for another 40 odd players at least. Better off bringing in these new teams as they have in the lower divisions whilst growing the grassroots in those places so that once they do have a team, they can rely on homegrown talent which will have community support straight away over paying stars to move interstate or overseas in regard new Zealand, PNG or whatever they decide to do In the pacific which could combine two or even three nation jointly having a club playing three or four home games in separate places.

Your right I did forget the Titans - your the first to raise it and that in itself. Don't you think the NRL whilst having all these bids aren't really showing any sort of strategic plan it seems it's all a bit hap hazard - also they don't seem to care or are interested in areas like Adelaide and Perth while I haven't looked at recently looks years off have a first grade juniors.

Swans what's all this fascination with expansion? Is it just jealousy and envy because the NRL do it so much better than the AFL?

Queensland is a Dead zone in the AFL with two miserable failures. And clubs like GWS, I'm sure you will tell me there in the finals blah, blah, blah. But there only there at the expense of the lower Melbourne sides that are struggling to survive due to the exorbitant money being pumped into the likes of GWS just to keep them afloat.

The Suns , GWS , the wions [-o< , what a dismal failure AFL expansion is.

Look at the NRL' expansion sides Melbourne, Gold Coast, Brisbane and before that Canberra. All profitable and all in the Semis. So stop waffling on about NRL expansion when AFL expansion is nothing short of a joke, a very sick one.

Sell out again for the storm tonight?

Really they do it so well let me see, AFL sides to fold after expansion since 1980 - 0
RL sides to fold following expansion - Sth QLD Crushers, Gold Coast Seagulls, Hunter Mariners, Adelaide RAMS, Nth Sydney and Western Reds/Pirates - 6 clubs!

Wait for it SL war - but the fact is it just show RL is not very good at expansion with GC Titans and Newcastle, West Tigers under NRL administration just shows they bow too much to external pressures that are generally short sighted and don't have any real strategic plan. GWS is far from being a failure indeed can only be considered an ongoing success in a term term plan, Bris Lions will bounce back 23,000 members and an average of 17,000 home crowds better than most RL clubs - and GC well home crowd of 11500 and membership base of 12800 seems again on par with other RL clubs - your so blinded by arrogance that you don't even realise what your talking about!

Stop quoting membership numbers and step into the real word - No one give a stuff about clubs like the Suns.

The best you can come up with is clubs that were victim of SL, that is fact. I realise the you struggle with facts and reality but its true (something else that's foreign to you)
Stop all this sabre rattling Sarge :_<> :_<>

[Fred]

The suns have a good following .. around the same as titans re crowds i think or close enough. There is strong AFL presence on gc with a strong grass roots comp of juniors and senior clubs.

I was driving around redland bay the other day and noted two AFL feilds . One in a school and one a club ground. Another at victoria point. So a decent AFL presence would seem to be there too. That is where the growth needs to come fron for nrl. Drive around victoria and you are lucky to see any rl grounds. They are there just not in number. Whereas in brisbane AFL grounds are common. There are more AFL clubs on the gc then rl clubs in victoria for instance. I would suggest more in brisbane logan area also.