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Raiderdave wrote:

Foolproof wrote:

There's a very firm difference between Wicks and Krakeour.

Drugs.

Anyone jailed for involvement in dealing drugs should be banned from all sports for life.

theres no difference you twerp

they are both ex cons

You're a fool for saying that, and you are demonising those who are found guilty of assault and took no lives. Drug dealers have countless deaths to explain and they can't because there's no excuse.

Fuck up idiot .
This thread was started to have a shot at the NRL for letting an ex crim back in .
When dumbo was shown up as clueless once again & the thread backfired ,the stupidity continued when you got involved.

AFL clowns always throwing stones in when living in glass houses.

MEAN WHILE TODAY A FORMER SWANS PLAYER IS FACING ALLEGATIONS OF FRAUD, KIDNAP AND PERVERTING THE COURSE OF JUSTICE.

Typical of the git who started this thread not to mention it lol

Foolproof wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Foolproof wrote:

There's a very firm difference between Wicks and Krakeour.

Drugs.

Anyone jailed for involvement in dealing drugs should be banned from all sports for life.

theres no difference you twerp

they are both ex cons

You're a fool for saying that, and you are demonising those who are found guilty of assault and took no lives. Drug dealers have countless deaths to explain and they can't because there's no excuse.

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wot the holy fuck ???

Nothing to say in defence of yourself?

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/former-state- ... 2j2j8.html
Former Queensland rugby league player Jason Smith has been charged for allegedly trafficking cocaine in the state's south-east.

Smith, 42, who also represented Australia and won a premiership with the Bulldogs, was arrested on Monday along with 34-year-old prominent local restaurateur Jason Wood.

The pair are alleged to have trafficked 280 grams of cocaine between June and December last year.

Their arrests follow a joint investigation by Queensland police and the Crime and Corruption Commission.

Smith, who played 15 games for Queensland between 1994 and 2000, owns a local Toowoomba pub, the Mill Street Tavern. Wood, operates his Olive Branch eatery about a kilometre away.

Smith moved to Toowoomba upon finishing his NRL career in 2007 with the North Queensland Cowboys. He played 289 first grade games in a career that spanned 17 seasons and also took him to Parramatta and Canberra as well as a stint in the UK with Hull FC.

Smith and Wood will appear before Toowoomba Magistrates Court on February 11.

just another week for the NRL

Lol .
Like shooting fish in a barrel.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-1...kidnap/5978632




Former AFL player Tony Smith bailed


AAP
JANUARY 06, 2015 1:02PM




A FORMER AFL player has been granted bail after being charged over an elaborate kidnapping plot which allegedly also involved a media advisor to Clive Palmer and a former detective.

FORMER Sydney Swans player Tony Smith was granted bail in the Brisbane Magistrates Court on Tuesday after pledging a $250,000 surety.
Under bail conditions Smith, who lives in Bali, is allowed to return to Indonesia but must advise the office of the Director of Public Prosecutions of all overseas travel.

Smith, along with media adviser Andrew Crook and former detective Mick Featherstone, is accused of trying to persuade a National Australia Bank executive to admit to committing perjury during a Supreme Court civil lawsuit.

Smith tried to sue NAB over $68 million he lost in a building project and shares in failed mortgage broker MFS, but the case was dismissed in 2012.

The bank employee was allegedly lured to an Indonesian island with the false promise of a job interview, supposedly for a high-paid global finance officer position with Clive Palmer.

Police allege that when the NAB worker refused to say during the interview that he'd lied to the court, he was "detained" by two Indonesian nationals dressed in security uniforms and further threatened.

Smith, 48, has been charged with one count each of retaliation of a witness, attempting to pervert the course of justice and attempted fraud.

Crook, 48, and Featherstone, 51, were arrested and granted bail last month with conditions including that they surrender their passports and not go within 100 metres of the NAB branches at Southport on the Gold Coast.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1227175900366

This

Thread of fail.
Isnt getting any less relevant is it

Fucking cough ## Ben Cousins ## cough

You stupid dribbling gimp :_<>

Cousins was a user. A dumb user who got his right thwack, but a user.

Jason Smith was dealing. That's worse.

Foolproof wrote:

Cousins was a user. A dumb user who got his right thwack, but a user.

Jason Smith was dealing. That's worse.

U stupid wanker

Cousins was a dealer too
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No he wasn't. He was a user. If he was a dealer he would have been in jail for a lot longer than he was and he would never have played AFL again.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 1qlg0.html
The reports this week that 86-year-old Frank Carlino was bashed and robbed of his pension money were disturbing. Whenever Carlino's attackers are brought to justice they'll no doubt be armed with lawyers only too willing to petition for leniency for some reason or other. But some acts are so inherently horrendous, they defy explanation.

Not all crimes are so stark. Consider the Welsh international footballer Chedwyn Evans, and the dilemma faced by the English FA and League One outfit Sheffield United in determining Evans' footballing future.

Convicted rapist Chedwyn Evans was initially allowed to train with Sheffield United following his release.
Convicted rapist Chedwyn Evans was initially allowed to train with Sheffield United following his release. Photo: Getty Images
In 2009, the now 25-year-old Evans moved to Bramall Lane on a £3 million transfer from English football's nouveau plutocrats Manchester City. By any measure Evans was a player of promise. By April 2012, however, Evans was a convicted rapist serving a maximum five years in a Lancashire prison. Though Evans was released last month, his name will remain on the UK sex offenders' register for at least another 15 years.

Despite his conviction, Evans continues to maintain his innocence. Petitions to the English Court of Appeal failed. One appeal judgment, delivered by England's Lord Chief Justice, goes to some lengths to recite the facts of the case.

In May 2011 Evans and a fellow alumnus of the Manchester City academy system, Clayton McDonald, ventured out in the Welsh seaside resort of Rhyl, for what would be a night of intense debauchery. Despite living nearby, Evans booked a room at a less-than-salubrious hotel in McDonald's name.

South Sydney's Kirisome Auva'a.
South Sydney's Kirisome Auva'a. Photo: Getty Images
The evening remained uncontroversial until about 4am, by which time McDonald had separated from Evans and their other companions. At that point McDonald crossed paths with an inebriated 19-year-old waitress, out drinking after a night's work. After a short conversation, McDonald and the young woman caught a taxi to the hotel. The taxi driver, who gave evidence at the trial, described the woman as "dishevelled"; the night porter considered her "extremely drunk". The pair retreated to the hotel room and had sex.

During the journey McDonald texted Evans, saying he'd "got a bird". Maybe this was code for something else, but what wasn't in dispute was that Evans hailed a taxi of his own and darted to the hotel with two other men. Upon arrival, Evans convinced the porter to issue a second room key, despite the room being in McDonald's name. As his friends waited outside, Evans went to the room. When he got there, conjugal activity between McDonald and the woman had ceased. A few minutes passed before Evans and the woman began having sex. Evans' companions filmed part of the act through the window.

Thirty minutes went by before McDonald exited the hotel through the foyer. Passing the night porter, McDonald suggested he'd better keep an eye on the woman as she was "sick". Evans decamped via the fire escape and met McDonald outside. They retreated to Evans' house.

The woman woke around midday, naked and confused. She reported the matter to police and was taken to hospital.

Following an investigation, McDonald and Evans each were charged with rape. The threshold question for the jury was whether the woman might have consented to the sexual activity, between her and one or both accused. If consent was lacking, a second question was whether either accused might reasonably have believed the woman consented. McDonald was acquitted; Evans went down.

Fast forward to now. Upon Evans' release from prison, Sheffield United granted him the opportunity to again train with the club. A decision on Evans' right to resume his playing career hasn't been made. But if the maelstrom of public sentiment is any barometer, a decision in Evans' favour is no fait accompli.

London Olympic gold medallist and Sheffield native Jessica Ennis-Hill has a stand named in her honour at Bramall Lane. Unequivocal is her stance that she wants no association with Sheffield United if it welcomes Evans back. An online petition framed in similar sentiments has attracted 150,000 digital signatures.

Without sitting through the evidence presented at trial, it's impossible to form an absolute view regarding Evans. But whatever your opinion regarding the conduct summarised in the appeal judgment, Evans' actions lack pure abhorrence or moral wickedness. As indigestible as it might be, an explanation of Evans' conduct isn't impossible to frame.

By contrast, consider South Sydney centre Kirisome Auva'a. It's well documented that six months ago Auva'a pleaded guilty in a Melbourne court to charges stemming from his rage against an ex-girlfriend. A withering display of violence, culminating with Auva'a striking his victim to the ground, then swinging her rag doll-style into a garage door.

That the NRL didn't determine Auva'a's sporting future in the period between the guilty plea and final sentencing earlier this month is consistent with the NRL's rules, and appropriate. The suggestion the governing body should've been quicker in imposing a sanction on Auva'a at the end of the criminal case is reasonable, but the process to be followed in the NRL rules is not simple.

From whatever angle you view Auva'a's criminal conduct, his behaviour defies explanation or reason. It's in the same class as the revolting behaviour of Robert Lui, convicted in 2012 of cowardly headbutting, kicking and dragging by the hair his then-pregnant partner.

So, do sports need a paradigm shift in how they respond to cases of such repugnancy? It's a generally accepted sentencing principle that athletes found guilty of standard anti-doping charges face default sanctions of two years' ineligibility. Shouldn't it logically follow that automatic sanctions apply when a sportsperson is convicted of an inexcusable crime, against a defenceless female?

For mine, the NRL should junk the protracted processes when dealing with criminal matters with such a stench. Instead, the secondary imposition of sporting sanctions in such matters should be categoric. If the automatic sanction imposed in a routine doping case is two years' ineligibility – subject to limited defences concerning reduced culpability – why shouldn't the NRL's rules automatically guillotine Kirisome Auva'a from the game for thrice that period.

Any such model requires safeguards to deal with instances where such a sanction would be ridiculously excessive, not just harsh. But is a transparent and up-front system unfair per se, or a deterrent? Your call.

Darren Kane is a Sydney sports lawyer

If a crime is serious enough to land a player in jail, surely that’s as good a place as any to draw the line when it comes to second chances.

Only this kind of hard line stance can stop clubs from playing their part as enablers in poor behaviour.

PACKER FREE BUT FUTURE CLOUDY

WICKS TO RETURN AS AN EEL AFTER JAIL TERM

It has been fascinating to watch interest grow around clubland as Russell Packer’s prison release crept closer and Danny Wicks’ NRL suspension came to an end.

Professional sports organisations are in the business of winning. They’ll do almost anything to get a competitive advantage.

If that means signing a player who punched and stomped on a man’s head in Martin Place or another who pleaded guilty to three counts of supply for trafficking 150 ecstasy tablets and more than 20 grams of methylamphetamine, so be it.

It’s not good enough.

Slick marketing campaigns and made-for-media school visits are well and good, but are they worth anything if not backed up with words and deeds outside of the photo ops?

How many times can the NRL say it wants to win our hearts and minds when its players can’t abide by our society’s black-and-white laws around illegal drugs and physical assaults?

Russell Packer gained a reputation for poor behaviour at the Warriors.
Russell Packer gained a reputation for poor behaviour at the Warriors.
The NRL has not yet indicated whether Packer will be allowed to play in 2015 or at any time afterwards, but at the very least there’s an insinuation that after certain rehabilitation requirements are met, the former Warriors enforcer will be allowed to wear the Red V.

Indeed, St George Illawarra coach Paul McGregor has done an excellent job exerting pressure on the NRL to allow Packer to return to the game by playing the sympathy card.

“There’s no tougher penalty than being away from your family for 12 months ... And if he was to sit out another six months out, how does he feed his family for another six months?”

Wicks, who was released from jail on Good Friday in 2013, had the added burden of 18 months remaining on a four-year NRL ban he received as part of being found guilty of drug trafficking.

That ban ended in September last year and just four months down the track the NRL is reportedly ready to give Wicks the green light to resume his career for Parramatta.

In some ways it’s difficult to put Wicks and Packer in the same bracket when assessing if they should be allowed to return.

They committed very different crimes and the NRL, as it should, treats every case of registering the contract of a previously deregistered player individually and on its merits.

But jail time should be the end of the discussion.

— Ben Glover

Should NRL players who are sent to jail be allowed back in the game?
Yes - everyone deserves a second chance
No - they've abused their position of privilege
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THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED BACK IN THE NRL
If you commit a crime and you serve your time should you continue to be punished?

Of course not — so why would the NRL place a blanket ban on players who have been in prison?

Take rugby league out of the equation and put yourself in the shoes of not only Russell Packer or Danny Wicks but anyone who has been imprisoned.

You have made a mistake. A serious mistake, and your life has been turned upside down.

You lost your job, your freedom and possibly your friends and family as a result. You serve your time for the crime you committed and now you are back in society looking for a fresh start.

Fortunately most of us will never be in a situation such as this but for the purposes of this debate, just imagine you are.

Take a moment to think about it and how you would feel.

You would be relieved to be free and hopeful that someone would not judge you based on the stigma attached to being a former inmate.

You would hope someone would be willing to offer you a second chance to reform yourself and your life.

Why should a sportsman be any different?

If you are a mechanic, plumber, journalist or builder and you were told you could under no circumstances ply your trade again — where does that leave you?

It leaves you up a murky creek without a paddle… you know the place!

Now let’s look at this debate using the NRL as the example.

Since when did rugby league shun a second chance?

Danny Wicks is set to complete a remarkable comeback after years out of the game.
Danny Wicks is set to complete a remarkable comeback after years out of the game.
The game has long loved a story of redemption be it a player with prior alcohol issues or an ex con.

Russell Packer served 12 months of a maximum two year sentence for assault and the Dragons are offering him a lifeline.

Does that mean the Dragons condone what Packer did in the past? No.

Does that mean they believe Packer can add some value to their club and are willing to help him get his life back on track?

Yes. And good on them for not leaving him in exile.

The Dragons are keen to secure Packer’s services, but want to discuss a number of behavioural clauses before registering what is understood to be a three-year contract with the NRL.

Many players with hairy pasts have had behavioural clauses in their contracts. It is a way for the club to protect themselves but also gives the players incentive to stay on the right path (not that they should need any added incentives).

More than three years after he was jailed for trafficking drugs, Danny Wicks has been given his second chance by Parramatta.

Many have argued it is not a good look for the game.

To those people I say, take your outdated views and catch up to the rest of us in 2015.

— Nathan Ryan

Originally published as Debate: Should jail birds be allowed back?
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 7176034239

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leagueiscrap wrote:

If a crime is serious enough to land a player in jail, surely that’s as good a place as any to draw the line when it comes to second chances.

Only this kind of hard line stance can stop clubs from playing their part as enablers in poor behaviour.

But what about rehab. Leagueiscrap? Surely that's worth something? Not in every case of course (like drug dealers), but if someone has 100 percent repented and won't re-offend they should get a second chance.