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Re: 2017 For NRL boss David Smith, not so beautiful numbers

Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:07 am
by Raiderdave
Xman wrote:
Raiderdave wrote:
Xman wrote:
Raiderdave wrote:
adamj1300 wrote:
THE knock on the heavy mahogany door is barely audible. The man behind a desk the size of a banquet table tugs at the double cuffs on his Armani shirt which smoothly undercoats his Armani suit.

Come in, he says, come in. His voice is neither loud nor soft. Not quite welcoming but enough to put the man who had just made so little impact on the mahogany a bit more at ease. His mood changes from petrified to terrified.

The door is pushed open and the Armani suit rises from his chair and proffers his hand forcefully but without the thuggery of a Mark Latham handshake. The bones will eventually heal.

We have been expecting you, Mr Smith. It is Mr Smith, isn’t it? That’s what it said in the paper this morning but you can’t be too sure. And it’s David, too? Correct? Do you mind if I call you David? Dave sounds a little undignified for the chief executive of the NRL. We don’t go hearing about Drewy Demetriou or Davy Gallop do we?

You are not the first person to come here David, though that should be of little comfort. The first was a man from some sort of baseball association. Then, of course, we had a Mr Malcolm Speed. A basketball man. At least he kicked on even if the sport didn’t. We have made an appointment with the Sochi team management as well.

I’ll be frank with you David. The reason you are here at Reality House today is because you made a right git of yourself on Monday.

Look, here at RH we like ambition and optimism. A bit of get up and go. Ticker, spirit. Guts is an ugly word but you get the picture.

Nonetheless can I take you to The Australian newspaper and in particular some of your comments? This is where it gets a bit sticky for you, old chap.

Take this bit: “Rugby league is poised in a way it’s never been poised before and the progress and momentum we’re creating will make this game stronger and healthier than it’s ever been before. Wind the clock forward five years and we’ll be the biggest sporting community in Australia.” Before we talk about those observations David, you would tell us if you were on medication wouldn’t you? Prone to mood swings? We know you are not because you have done a very good job since taking over the NRL but David, David, David what were you thinking? You were thinking weren’t you?

The NRL has one team in Victoria and none in South Australia or Western Australia. And from that base you will be the biggest sporting community in Australia? Dear God, David.

And then what about this? By 2017 you will double club membership from its current number of 228,000 to 400,000. Now, David, this little thing is called a calculator. You need to get the hang of it quickly. Last year, that’s last year, David the AFL club membership was 756,717. Do you understand what that means?

Or what about this: increasing average crowds from 13,000 to 20,000 by 2017. The AFL’s average crowd last year? 32,163. Or this: increasing participation rates from 555,000 to 700,000. David, the AFL’s participation rate last year was 938,069.

And did you have to talk about social media? Really, David, social media? You want to increase the spread in 2017 to 5.8 million. Last year the AFL had 69.7 million unique visits.

There is one saving grace David. You talked finances, you talked profit, you talked bottom line. The AFL will not release their figures for another week so you have been saved more embarrassment at least for seven days or so.

But David, if we analyse all these figures your forecasts and the AFL reality — you are actually saying by 2017 you’ll only be about half as big as the AFL is now. That is not going to get you the bragging rights as the biggest sporting community in the country. On your own figures, by 2017 you won’t even be big in West Wyalong.

So on your way David, but remember our motto here at Reality House. To get ahead of yourself is the surest way to fall behind.

:(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/
reality is sweet for AFL fans
8-[

:lol: :lol: :lol: :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<>

2 hysterical articles from shit scared fumbler jurnos in a matter of weeks
wwhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


whhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
we're the biggest

we're the biggest


feet being stamped
arms folded


everything is lining up nicely for our game
unfettered by News with their fingers no longer in our cookie jar for the first time in 17 years
financially very strong now
we will begin to compete properly & our goals are very very realistic
& these fearful fumbler jurnos ................. KNOW IT :cool:
I noticed you didnt attempt to dispute any of the authors claims..... :?>
they're irrelevant


we know the VFL's membership numbers are a sham
we know their crowds are boosted by $2.50 entry tickets ....
so this wankers .. claims ... are based on numbers that are nothing but smoke & mirrors
if they weren't then this codes clubs would not be in 150 Million in combined debt :wink:

the VFL & its mouth pieces are scared
as they should be :cool:

The AFLs own annual report shows the club debt is nowhere near your claims. .

=D>
:_<> :_<> :lol: :lol: :lol: :(/ :(/ :(/

but but but


115 Million in 2013
150 Million in 2014

cold hard facts

the VFL is imploding :cool:

Re: 2017 For NRL boss David Smith, not so beautiful numbers

Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:09 am
by NRLCrap1
Cold hard FANTASY, Dave! You pulling figures out of your farts again?

Re: 2017 For NRL boss David Smith, not so beautiful numbers

Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:16 am
by Swans4ever
Raiderdave wrote:
Xman wrote:
Raiderdave wrote:
Xman wrote:
Raiderdave wrote:
adamj1300 wrote:
THE knock on the heavy mahogany door is barely audible. The man behind a desk the size of a banquet table tugs at the double cuffs on his Armani shirt which smoothly undercoats his Armani suit.

Come in, he says, come in. His voice is neither loud nor soft. Not quite welcoming but enough to put the man who had just made so little impact on the mahogany a bit more at ease. His mood changes from petrified to terrified.

The door is pushed open and the Armani suit rises from his chair and proffers his hand forcefully but without the thuggery of a Mark Latham handshake. The bones will eventually heal.

We have been expecting you, Mr Smith. It is Mr Smith, isn’t it? That’s what it said in the paper this morning but you can’t be too sure. And it’s David, too? Correct? Do you mind if I call you David? Dave sounds a little undignified for the chief executive of the NRL. We don’t go hearing about Drewy Demetriou or Davy Gallop do we?

You are not the first person to come here David, though that should be of little comfort. The first was a man from some sort of baseball association. Then, of course, we had a Mr Malcolm Speed. A basketball man. At least he kicked on even if the sport didn’t. We have made an appointment with the Sochi team management as well.

I’ll be frank with you David. The reason you are here at Reality House today is because you made a right git of yourself on Monday.

Look, here at RH we like ambition and optimism. A bit of get up and go. Ticker, spirit. Guts is an ugly word but you get the picture.

Nonetheless can I take you to The Australian newspaper and in particular some of your comments? This is where it gets a bit sticky for you, old chap.

Take this bit: “Rugby league is poised in a way it’s never been poised before and the progress and momentum we’re creating will make this game stronger and healthier than it’s ever been before. Wind the clock forward five years and we’ll be the biggest sporting community in Australia.” Before we talk about those observations David, you would tell us if you were on medication wouldn’t you? Prone to mood swings? We know you are not because you have done a very good job since taking over the NRL but David, David, David what were you thinking? You were thinking weren’t you?

The NRL has one team in Victoria and none in South Australia or Western Australia. And from that base you will be the biggest sporting community in Australia? Dear God, David.

And then what about this? By 2017 you will double club membership from its current number of 228,000 to 400,000. Now, David, this little thing is called a calculator. You need to get the hang of it quickly. Last year, that’s last year, David the AFL club membership was 756,717. Do you understand what that means?

Or what about this: increasing average crowds from 13,000 to 20,000 by 2017. The AFL’s average crowd last year? 32,163. Or this: increasing participation rates from 555,000 to 700,000. David, the AFL’s participation rate last year was 938,069.

And did you have to talk about social media? Really, David, social media? You want to increase the spread in 2017 to 5.8 million. Last year the AFL had 69.7 million unique visits.

There is one saving grace David. You talked finances, you talked profit, you talked bottom line. The AFL will not release their figures for another week so you have been saved more embarrassment at least for seven days or so.

But David, if we analyse all these figures your forecasts and the AFL reality — you are actually saying by 2017 you’ll only be about half as big as the AFL is now. That is not going to get you the bragging rights as the biggest sporting community in the country. On your own figures, by 2017 you won’t even be big in West Wyalong.

So on your way David, but remember our motto here at Reality House. To get ahead of yourself is the surest way to fall behind.

:(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/
reality is sweet for AFL fans
8-[

:lol: :lol: :lol: :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<>

2 hysterical articles from shit scared fumbler jurnos in a matter of weeks
wwhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


whhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
we're the biggest

we're the biggest


feet being stamped
arms folded


everything is lining up nicely for our game
unfettered by News with their fingers no longer in our cookie jar for the first time in 17 years
financially very strong now
we will begin to compete properly & our goals are very very realistic
& these fearful fumbler jurnos ................. KNOW IT :cool:
I noticed you didnt attempt to dispute any of the authors claims..... :?>
they're irrelevant


we know the VFL's membership numbers are a sham
we know their crowds are boosted by $2.50 entry tickets ....
so this wankers .. claims ... are based on numbers that are nothing but smoke & mirrors
if they weren't then this codes clubs would not be in 150 Million in combined debt :wink:

the VFL & its mouth pieces are scared
as they should be :cool:

The AFLs own annual report shows the club debt is nowhere near your claims. .

=D>
:_<> :_<> :lol: :lol: :lol: :(/ :(/ :(/

but but but


115 Million in 2013
150 Million in 2014

cold hard facts

the VFL is imploding :cool:
Then put your source yer whinny lil bitch!
NRL round 1 opener 2013 - 35k
NRL round 1 opener 2014 - 27k
= decline
Cold hard facts!

Re: 2017 For NRL boss David Smith, not so beautiful numbers

Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:37 am
by adamj1300
Raiderdave wrote:
Xman wrote:
Raiderdave wrote:
Xman wrote:
Raiderdave wrote:
adamj1300 wrote:
THE knock on the heavy mahogany door is barely audible. The man behind a desk the size of a banquet table tugs at the double cuffs on his Armani shirt which smoothly undercoats his Armani suit.

Come in, he says, come in. His voice is neither loud nor soft. Not quite welcoming but enough to put the man who had just made so little impact on the mahogany a bit more at ease. His mood changes from petrified to terrified.

The door is pushed open and the Armani suit rises from his chair and proffers his hand forcefully but without the thuggery of a Mark Latham handshake. The bones will eventually heal.

We have been expecting you, Mr Smith. It is Mr Smith, isn’t it? That’s what it said in the paper this morning but you can’t be too sure. And it’s David, too? Correct? Do you mind if I call you David? Dave sounds a little undignified for the chief executive of the NRL. We don’t go hearing about Drewy Demetriou or Davy Gallop do we?

You are not the first person to come here David, though that should be of little comfort. The first was a man from some sort of baseball association. Then, of course, we had a Mr Malcolm Speed. A basketball man. At least he kicked on even if the sport didn’t. We have made an appointment with the Sochi team management as well.

I’ll be frank with you David. The reason you are here at Reality House today is because you made a right git of yourself on Monday.

Look, here at RH we like ambition and optimism. A bit of get up and go. Ticker, spirit. Guts is an ugly word but you get the picture.

Nonetheless can I take you to The Australian newspaper and in particular some of your comments? This is where it gets a bit sticky for you, old chap.

Take this bit: “Rugby league is poised in a way it’s never been poised before and the progress and momentum we’re creating will make this game stronger and healthier than it’s ever been before. Wind the clock forward five years and we’ll be the biggest sporting community in Australia.” Before we talk about those observations David, you would tell us if you were on medication wouldn’t you? Prone to mood swings? We know you are not because you have done a very good job since taking over the NRL but David, David, David what were you thinking? You were thinking weren’t you?

The NRL has one team in Victoria and none in South Australia or Western Australia. And from that base you will be the biggest sporting community in Australia? Dear God, David.

And then what about this? By 2017 you will double club membership from its current number of 228,000 to 400,000. Now, David, this little thing is called a calculator. You need to get the hang of it quickly. Last year, that’s last year, David the AFL club membership was 756,717. Do you understand what that means?

Or what about this: increasing average crowds from 13,000 to 20,000 by 2017. The AFL’s average crowd last year? 32,163. Or this: increasing participation rates from 555,000 to 700,000. David, the AFL’s participation rate last year was 938,069.

And did you have to talk about social media? Really, David, social media? You want to increase the spread in 2017 to 5.8 million. Last year the AFL had 69.7 million unique visits.

There is one saving grace David. You talked finances, you talked profit, you talked bottom line. The AFL will not release their figures for another week so you have been saved more embarrassment at least for seven days or so.

But David, if we analyse all these figures your forecasts and the AFL reality — you are actually saying by 2017 you’ll only be about half as big as the AFL is now. That is not going to get you the bragging rights as the biggest sporting community in the country. On your own figures, by 2017 you won’t even be big in West Wyalong.

So on your way David, but remember our motto here at Reality House. To get ahead of yourself is the surest way to fall behind.

:(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/
reality is sweet for AFL fans
8-[

:lol: :lol: :lol: :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<>

2 hysterical articles from shit scared fumbler jurnos in a matter of weeks
wwhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


whhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
we're the biggest

we're the biggest


feet being stamped
arms folded


everything is lining up nicely for our game
unfettered by News with their fingers no longer in our cookie jar for the first time in 17 years
financially very strong now
we will begin to compete properly & our goals are very very realistic
& these fearful fumbler jurnos ................. KNOW IT :cool:
I noticed you didnt attempt to dispute any of the authors claims..... :?>
they're irrelevant


we know the VFL's membership numbers are a sham
we know their crowds are boosted by $2.50 entry tickets ....
so this wankers .. claims ... are based on numbers that are nothing but smoke & mirrors
if they weren't then this codes clubs would not be in 150 Million in combined debt :wink:

the VFL & its mouth pieces are scared
as they should be :cool:

The AFLs own annual report shows the club debt is nowhere near your claims. .

=D>
:_<> :_<> :lol: :lol: :lol: :(/ :(/ :(/

but but but


115 Million in 2013
150 Million in 2014

so how will the NRL raise this money then failure dave :-k
cold hard facts

the VFL is imploding :cool:

Re: 2017 For NRL boss David Smith, not so beautiful numbers

Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:56 pm
by Cracker
It's true that David Smith is thinking big, and I would expect the diehard AFL supporters to support and indeed chortle at this piece.

But what if David's predictions are right?

Sure, at present they look unachieveable, but 2017 is still three years away and a number of things could change. A light bulb could go on amongst the NRL supporters and they could realise that attendance at games and memberships are more important to their club than watching them on TV. Unlikely, yes, but you never know.

The other query over the article would be the AFL numbers. I'm not querying their accuracy of course, but it can't be far away from reaching the ceiling - unlike the NRL who is further away from it and therefore have more room to move. Especially taking into account it's move into Papua New Guinea and second teams from Brisbane and New Zealand. The PNG/NZ factor gives it a big advantage over the AFL.

So laugh, Aussie Rules supporters. Maybe you will be right come 2017. But I wouldn't cast that in stone.

Re: 2017 For NRL boss David Smith, not so beautiful numbers

Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:35 pm
by Xman
Cracker wrote:
It's true that David Smith is thinking big, and I would expect the diehard AFL supporters to support and indeed chortle at this piece.

But what if David's predictions are right?

Sure, at present they look unachieveable, but 2017 is still three years away and a number of things could change. A light bulb could go on amongst the NRL supporters and they could realise that attendance at games and memberships are more important to their club than watching them on TV. Unlikely, yes, but you never know.

The other query over the article would be the AFL numbers. I'm not querying their accuracy of course, but it can't be far away from reaching the ceiling - unlike the NRL who is further away from it and therefore have more room to move. Especially taking into account it's move into Papua New Guinea and second teams from Brisbane and New Zealand. The PNG/NZ factor gives it a big advantage over the AFL.

So laugh, Aussie Rules supporters. Maybe you will be right come 2017. But I wouldn't cast that in stone.
There is no indication that things will change given the NRL crowds have been the same for nearly a decade. Tell me why they will suddenly change behavior? In fact when they eventually expand it will likely dip

As for memberships, they continue to grow but are actually getting further behind the AFL. This year alone the AFL memberships are 60k ahaead of the same time last year. This is over 1/4 the total NRL membership number.

Re: 2017 For NRL boss David Smith, not so beautiful numbers

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:47 am
by Swans4ever
Cracker wrote:
It's true that David Smith is thinking big, and I would expect the diehard AFL supporters to support and indeed chortle at this piece.

But what if David's predictions are right?

Sure, at present they look unachieveable, but 2017 is still three years away and a number of things could change. A light bulb could go on amongst the NRL supporters and they could realise that attendance at games and memberships are more important to their club than watching them on TV. Unlikely, yes, but you never know.

The other query over the article would be the AFL numbers. I'm not querying their accuracy of course, but it can't be far away from reaching the ceiling - unlike the NRL who is further away from it and therefore have more room to move. Especially taking into account it's move into Papua New Guinea and second teams from Brisbane and New Zealand. The PNG/NZ factor gives it a big advantage over the AFL.

So laugh, Aussie Rules supporters. Maybe you will be right come 2017. But I wouldn't cast that in stone.
Why has AFL reached a Ceiling - new Burswood Stadium in Perth to be built with 60k capacity instead of 40k - both Adelaide teams now at the Adelaide Oval in the city centre - GWS will get better as will GC - if anything AFL numbers in 5 yrs could explode even more! Considering the head start Dave Smith was doing nothing more than pandering to the faithful!

Re: 2017 For NRL boss David Smith, not so beautiful numbers

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:01 am
by Cracker
I never said that the AFL had actually reached the ceiling. I said that it can't be far away from reaching it, and building a bigger stadium in Perth won't change that. Given the apparent (and still unproven) presence in New South Wales and Queensland by the AFL, can that go any further? With the NRL ready to fight back I doubt it. The only region the AFL has a lot of room to work with, and even that seems in numbers terms to be small, is Tasmania.
Xman wrote:
There is no indication that things will change given the NRL crowds have been the same for nearly a decade. Tell me why they will suddenly change behavior? In fact when they eventually expand it will likely dip

As for memberships, they continue to grow but are actually getting further behind the AFL. This year alone the AFL memberships are 60k ahaead of the same time last year. This is over 1/4 the total NRL membership number.
David Smith and the new hierachy have only just come to power and have only had one season under new control. NRL crowds have been rising - very slowly, but they are heading in the right direction. The mentality of spending is now rising above the apathy against expansion that hamstrung the previous regime, and when the AFL hit their ceiling the gap you speak of can only go in one direction.

Let's re-visit this at the conclusion of the 2014 season, shall we? Let's look at all the numbers then - crowds and TV ratings - and see how they compare to 2013 and 2012 at least.