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[Xman]

Oh ok but you get my drift. It was just an example Xman.

But on that matter. Why cant members discuss moderation publicly? We each have a stake in the site and deserve to discuss issues at hand. The lack of transparency you're suggesting paves the way for corruption and lies to dominate, as apparently they have been prior to the members revolt.

Members should be able to discuss their concerns. If mods and admin have nothing to hide they would be happy with this.

Agree with you K-E.

On another point. I went to reply to a request from Ncrapper for a link. BTW it was an excerpt from an email between Beau and myself, only to find that it had been locked for going off topic. It would be good if he wants to the topic to remain on topic that he does something about it sooner before statements (that are off topic) are made that need correction.

So youre happy with open criticism of mods and their decisions on the main forum?

[Xman]

Oh ok but you get my drift. It was just an example Xman.

But on that matter. Why cant members discuss moderation publicly? We each have a stake in the site and deserve to discuss issues at hand. The lack of transparency you're suggesting paves the way for corruption and lies to dominate, as apparently they have been prior to the members revolt.

Members should be able to discuss their concerns. If mods and admin have nothing to hide they would be happy with this.

You have a right to complain, but not to openly undermine people who are trying their best to ensure the site functions appropriately. It isnt tolerated on any forum I know, and rightly so. Keep your issues private between yourself and the mods

I'm not trying to undermine anyone Xman, just stating inconsistencies and untruths that should be addressed for the betterment of the site. Unfortunately whenever I do make a "private" complaint I do not get any response.

You're kidding! Youve openly and repeatedly question almost every single thing I've done on this site.

I'm fair dinkum very close to giving it away. I've just about had it.

[King-Eliagh]

Aw don't have a sook now. Seriously, you've not responded to private reports so why should I not openly criticise?

Guys its clear Xman needs some help as moderator of TFC. I currently have some time so, only if no one else wants the gig, I'm happy to co-moderate the Fc with Xman. But personally I don't really want the gig nor see myself doing it full time. So I'd like to recommend aflcrap1 to the role. He's a very fair chap and has shown his worth. But if he or no others are happy to do it im happy to jump in, consolidate some rules with membership, show how they should be enforced and then pass on the baton.

:D

[King-Eliagh]

In the mean time if anyone needs me I'm just hangin out in the arcade

[TLPG]

Mark you are an bone fide liar!

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3236&p=54044#p54044
And I quote;

I have handed in my mod badge and I am leaving.

It was in THAT context that Beau said what he said. Do NOT try to change the goal posts on this again! Got it? This goes with the public statement already previously linked that showed that beau was describing KE's claims that I was kicked off the moderation staff as "absolute rubbish".

That is the final end to the matter. Xman, I respectfully ask that any direct replies to this trying to argue against it be burned on sight as off topic.

[Xman]

Aw don't have a sook now. Seriously, you've not responded to private reports so why should I not openly criticise?

Guys its clear Xman needs some help as moderator of TFC. I currently have some time so, only if no one else wants the gig, I'm happy to co-moderate the Fc with Xman. But personally I don't really want the gig nor see myself doing it full time. So I'd like to recommend aflcrap1 to the role. He's a very fair chap and has shown his worth. But if he or no others are happy to do it im happy to jump in, consolidate some rules with membership, show how they should be enforced and then pass on the baton.

:D

I'm fine if AFLc wants to mod, but its up to Beaussie

[MarkZZZ]

Mark you are an bone fide liar!

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3236&p=54044#p54044
And I quote;

I have handed in my mod badge and I am leaving.

It was in THAT context that Beau said what he said. Do NOT try to change the goal posts on this again! Got it? This goes with the public statement already previously linked that showed that beau was describing KE's claims that I was kicked off the moderation staff as "absolute rubbish".

That is the final end to the matter. Xman, I respectfully ask that any direct replies to this trying to argue against it be burned on sight as off topic.

I can put in the whole email if you want TLPG. I can only go by what Beau has given me.

[King-Eliagh]

Mark you are an bone fide liar!

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3236&p=54044#p54044
And I quote;

I have handed in my mod badge and I am leaving.

It was in THAT context that Beau said what he said. Do NOT try to change the goal posts on this again! Got it? This goes with the public statement already previously linked that showed that beau was describing KE's claims that I was kicked off the moderation staff as "absolute rubbish".

That is the final end to the matter. Xman, I respectfully ask that any direct replies to this trying to argue against it be burned on sight as off topic.

This is just getting silly. LG stoppit! It's ok to have been in trouble on this site before. I have had several warnings before but hey, I took em on the chin and got on with it.

We know what happened. People have lied and it has to stop now, with you LG.

[King-Eliagh]

Or whatabout markzzz as co-mod? He would be another good choice and is someone with experience also.

[MarkZZZ]

Oh ok but you get my drift. It was just an example Xman.

But on that matter. Why cant members discuss moderation publicly? We each have a stake in the site and deserve to discuss issues at hand. The lack of transparency you're suggesting paves the way for corruption and lies to dominate, as apparently they have been prior to the members revolt.

Members should be able to discuss their concerns. If mods and admin have nothing to hide they would be happy with this.

Agree with you K-E.

On another point. I went to reply to a request from Ncrapper for a link. BTW it was an excerpt from an email between Beau and myself, only to find that it had been locked for going off topic. It would be good if he wants to the topic to remain on topic that he does something about it sooner before statements (that are off topic) are made that need correction.

So youre happy with open criticism of mods and their decisions on the main forum?

Sure, no problem with open criticism. As a mod we are not above open discussion about what we say and how we act. We are not a protected species. If we involve ourselves in a particular discussion and take a side or make a decision it is open for comment.

[MarkZZZ]

Or whatabout markzzz as co-mod? He would be another good choice and is someone with experience also.

Being retired I have many interest that take me away from home and the computer (I hate trying to do anything too involved on the phone). If I had more time available I would be more than happy. I think AFLCrap is a good idea though if he is willing to take it on.

[Xman]

Oh ok but you get my drift. It was just an example Xman.

But on that matter. Why cant members discuss moderation publicly? We each have a stake in the site and deserve to discuss issues at hand. The lack of transparency you're suggesting paves the way for corruption and lies to dominate, as apparently they have been prior to the members revolt.

Members should be able to discuss their concerns. If mods and admin have nothing to hide they would be happy with this.

Agree with you K-E.

On another point. I went to reply to a request from Ncrapper for a link. BTW it was an excerpt from an email between Beau and myself, only to find that it had been locked for going off topic. It would be good if he wants to the topic to remain on topic that he does something about it sooner before statements (that are off topic) are made that need correction.

So youre happy with open criticism of mods and their decisions on the main forum?

Sure, no problem with open criticism. As a mod we are not above open discussion about what we say and how we act. We are not a protected species. If we involve ourselves in a particular discussion and take a side or make a decision it is open for comment.

I have no issue copping criticism if I am involved in discussions on the boards. However mod decisions should not be open for discussion as they can invlove details that are innapropriate to reveal to all. They are also decisions that can be seen as bias by the collection of supporters who believe they have been poorly treated, even if the decision is fair. All we will end up with is both sets of supporters constantly questioning every single decision a mod makes. I dont know about you but I'm not here to be a punching bag.

[King-Eliagh]

Nope I think if we have clearly set out guidelines which are developed by and promoted to the members, as well as open discussion, then we will have a much better TFC. If the rules are clear and moderated consistently then they will be accepted by the majority. Sure you'll get some turkeys who will hoo and haa but that's normal.

Consistency and clarity Xman, you cant say it's been two things we've had. Not your fault, its structural. One person shouldn't moderate this forum alone. Rules should be defined and agreed to by members. Rules should be promoted to new members. Moderators should respond to reports, even if they are voting against the member.

[MarkZZZ]

Oh ok but you get my drift. It was just an example Xman.

But on that matter. Why cant members discuss moderation publicly? We each have a stake in the site and deserve to discuss issues at hand. The lack of transparency you're suggesting paves the way for corruption and lies to dominate, as apparently they have been prior to the members revolt.

Members should be able to discuss their concerns. If mods and admin have nothing to hide they would be happy with this.

Agree with you K-E.

On another point. I went to reply to a request from Ncrapper for a link. BTW it was an excerpt from an email between Beau and myself, only to find that it had been locked for going off topic. It would be good if he wants to the topic to remain on topic that he does something about it sooner before statements (that are off topic) are made that need correction.

So youre happy with open criticism of mods and their decisions on the main forum?

Sure, no problem with open criticism. As a mod we are not above open discussion about what we say and how we act. We are not a protected species. If we involve ourselves in a particular discussion and take a side or make a decision it is open for comment.

I have no issue copping criticism if I am involved in discussions on the boards. However mod decisions should not be open for discussion as they can invlove details that are innapropriate to reveal to all. They are also decisions that can be seen as bias by the collection of supporters who believe they have been poorly treated, even if the decision is fair. All we will end up with is both sets of supporters constantly questioning every single decision a mod makes. I dont know about you but I'm not here to be a punching bag.

If a decision is based on facts and not perceived facts or bias that doesn't worry me what they say. If I know I am in the right.

[King-Eliagh]

Oh and I know ive received a warning for talking about moderation publicly but I notice you are doing the same so felt its ok now.

Again consistency is key. One cant say its not ok for one person but ok for another. Moderators should also be governed by the rules of the site, I've said it before, they are not above the law, just like cops.