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Re: Penrith Panthers - the most valuable sporting brand in A

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:08 pm
by adamj1300
Phelpsy wrote:
I think pies police money was about 19 mil. The difference between pies and panthers was that panthers main source of income was their pokies whereas pies made as much from
Merchandise hence pies only one that hit a triple a rating.
very true, the RL clubs have the "leagues clubs" riddled with pokie machines to fund the clubs

Re: Penrith Panthers - the most valuable sporting brand in A

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:30 pm
by AFLcrap1
adamj1300 wrote:
Phelpsy wrote:
I think pies police money was about 19 mil. The difference between pies and panthers was that panthers main source of income was their pokies whereas pies made as much from
Merchandise hence pies only one that hit a triple a rating.
very true, the RL clubs have the "leagues clubs" riddled with pokie machines to fund the clubs
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Do you ever post anything that doesn't backfire.
******
Pot meet kettle.

AFL clubs talk up community leadership while fostering pokie addiction
With a poker machine addiction now embedded in the finances of AFL clubs, it is legitimate to question the league's self-proclaimed role as a champion of social responsibility.

Certainly, some people believe football's link with the pokies is damaging the community from which it draws its millions of supporters.

This week The Age reported that the 1317 poker machines in nine Victorian AFL clubs last year drained $85 million from the pockets of customers, a good proportion of whom are football fans. They would also make up a fair swag of the gambling addicts who, according to the voice of the anti-pokies movement and World Vision CEO, Tim Costello, contribute 40 per cent of this revenue.

Geelong, which drained $9.6 million from users of its 180 poker machines, is a club torn between its social conscience and the desire to maximise corporate opportunities, as was made clear to me this week when I spoke to the Cats' president, Colin Carter.

I rang Carter to ask about the apparent conflict between his presidency at Geelong and his
position as a director of World Vision, which, according to Costello, has ''screening policies'' which preclude it from taking money from gambling. This policy was revealed to AFL clubs two years ago when World Vision lent its name to North Melbourne in the form of a ''community partnership''.

This week, Costello again made clear his distaste for the AFL's poker machine links when addressing the list of losses at pokie venues run by clubs. ''I welcome the publishing of the real AFL ladder,'' he said. ''AFL clubs boast of their community support and what they put back; this tells you what
they are taking out in terms of the cost to families, businesses and crime in the community. I think AFL clubs should bite the bullet. Forty per cent of that revenue comes from addicted people.''

Carter denied there was any conflict between his roles at Geelong and World Vision. ''I don't see it as an institutional conflict. It's a personal issue I'm wrestling with,'' he said. ''Actually I'm glad Tim has that public stance. I would do nothing to tell him to shut up about it. I think we need national reform of this industry.''

Indeed, Carter said he was uncomfortable with the example being set by AFL clubs through the increasing dependence on poker machine money.
''You are not the first to ask me this question. My mother, a 92-year-old Baptist lady, would ask exactly the same question. It's a question I ask of myself,'' he said, as he explained that he believed, on balance, it was best for his club to run poker machines, with an emphasis on responsibility, rather than having the ''pubs and everyone else to belt the punters''.

Carter, a former league commissioner, agrees that AFL football, as a self-proclaimed leader in social responsibility, has to come to terms with its reliance on gambling sponsorships and poker machines.

''You are pointing to what I think is a massive inconsistency in the [football] industry. You watch the Brownlow and you are constantly plastered with live odds. They have finally cleaned up their act at the stadiums, where you were getting live odds and invitations to bet all the time,'' he said.

''We, as AFL clubs, don't like that. And none of the clubs like the industry's dependence on it at the moment. The pressure from outside is good. However, I've decided that the most constructive example to set, and the impact on the community, is to show you can run these businesses properly without extreme damage being done to people. That's where I've landed and I've convinced myself of that position, rightly or wrongly.''

Even though he is no doubt genuine when he says he is keen to see poker machine reforms, such as $1 or $2 maximum bets, the problem with Carter's argument is that he's portraying a competition that generated about $425 million last year in ticket sales, television rights, merchandise sales and sponsorships as a helpless victim being swept along on an avaricious corporate tide.

''The profits we get from the poker machines are critical to the club's survival,'' Carter said. But the reality is that AFL clubs are not broke, and powerless, no matter how much they talk about their hand-to-mouth existence. The idea that Geelong would somehow go out of business without poker machines is hard to reconcile.

Last year, AFL CEO Andrew Demetriou indirectly acknowledged the damage done by poker machines when he indicated that he would be happy to see clubs sell them. At the time, this had the distinct smell of media management of the issue. A year on, and with clubs still feeding the destructive habits of thousands, it has the same odour.

If the AFL is serious about its role as a community leader, it would find a way to cure its addiction to poker machines. And quickly.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/AFL/AFL-news/a ... z2mmtJldL8

Re: Penrith Panthers - the most valuable sporting brand in A

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:35 pm
by AFLcrap1
& More..
Maybe you should have a look in your own backyard before taking the Moral high ground.


CARLTON more than doubled its gaming-related revenue in 2013 to $19.7 million, the club's annual report reveals.

The jump in revenue - up from $9.5 million in 2012 - did not result in a large profit for the Blues this year, in part because of short-term costs associated with the club's increased investment in gaming.

The report notes that "member venue costs" jumped from $7.5 million to $17 million as the club recorded a $528,000 profit for the year ending October 31.

Gaming machine entitlements for 290 machines came into effect in August 2012, and the club will make payments on those entitlements over the next four years.

However, the entitlements do not expire until 2022 and it is expected Carlton will maximise its financial return from pokies in the final five years of the machines' 10-year lifespan.

Victorian AFL clubs own 18 gaming venues and 1317 machines, with North Melbourne the only club in the state not to make money out of gaming.

Carlton's $19.7 million in gaming revenue this year represents more than a third of its total revenue of $57 million.

According to the Victorian Commission for Gambling and Liquor Regulation, poker machines owned by AFL clubs empty more than $85 million annually from the pockets of punters.

In February, the Western Bulldogs - who own 50 machines - floated in a discussion paper on equalisation the prospect of gaming revenue above a certain amount being split between clubs.

"The growth in scale of and dependency on poker machine revenue in AFL clubs, and growing revenue differentials between larger and smaller Victorian franchises in this area, have been to the detriment of the competition," the Bulldogs said.

"A system in which poker machine profits over a proportion of gross club revenue were contributed to a common pool for equitable distribution would be a preferable model of a 'luxury tax' and might have the additional benefit of reducing the incentive of clubs to increase their own dependence and their fans' exposure to poker machine use."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/AFL/c ... 6775354170

Re: Penrith Panthers - the most valuable sporting brand in A

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:38 pm
by AFLcrap1
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http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/AFL ... 6360673786

BRISBANE Lions will defy the AFL's new anti-pokies sentiment and will not be selling the gaming cash cow that is keeping the struggling football club afloat.

Brisbane invested about $7 million in the new, 200-poker machine social club in 2010 which is expected to turn over $3 million this year.

Without it the Lions would be close to financial ruin.

They are headed for an annual loss of more than $2 million this year, which would take them to $10 million in the red since the club was last profitable five years ago

Seriously is Adamj the dumbest ***** God ever punched an arsehole into?
I say YES

Re: Penrith Panthers - the most valuable sporting brand in A

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:33 am
by adamj1300
AFLcrap1 wrote:
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http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/AFL ... 6360673786

BRISBANE Lions will defy the AFL's new anti-pokies sentiment and will not be selling the gaming cash cow that is keeping the struggling football club afloat.

Brisbane invested about $7 million in the new, 200-poker machine social club in 2010 which is expected to turn over $3 million this year.

Without it the Lions would be close to financial ruin.

They are headed for an annual loss of more than $2 million this year, which would take them to $10 million in the red since the club was last profitable five years ago

Seriously is Adamj the dumbest ***** God ever punched an arsehole into?
I say YES
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go read over some of the clubs financial reports, idiot before insulting some one, try some NRL ones
an nrl clubs only source of income is pokies, the average club revenue for an nrl club is around 10 to 15 million, with teams struggling to attract major sponsors, constantly in front of 9k sized crowds and membership's of 10 k

compared with the AFL clubs, with operating revenues of 30 million plus for the smaller clubs to 65, 75 million for the larger clubs,the AFL clubs reliance is no where near as what a NRL clubs are, eg much bigger crowds, more sponsorship and larger memberships.

so before trying to insult someone & posting random articles, know what your talking about!
ive never said that pokies arnt in the AFL but they are no where near to the point where the NRL clubs rely on them.
the concerning point is that the AFL clubs are now becoming more relent on pokie machines than ever before as, costs continue to grow

Re: Penrith Panthers - the most valuable sporting brand in A

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:25 am
by AFLcrap1
You got shot down .
You had a shot at NRL clubs about relying on pokies ,without looking in your own back yard.

Made to look the ****** once again,
Go back to playing detective .
Have you found out who RADERDAVE :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ is?

Re: Penrith Panthers - the most valuable sporting brand in A

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:37 am
by piesman2011
http://www.smh.com.au/AFL/collingwood-m ... 1jrc2.html

This article is suggesting that Collingwood may be worth 344 million US and if it was a soccer club world wide it would be ranked 14th, in front of teams like Hamburg and Man City. Its a few years old though.

Re: Penrith Panthers - the most valuable sporting brand in A

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:10 pm
by Raiderdave
piesman2011 wrote:
http://www.smh.com.au/AFL/collingwood-m ... 1jrc2.html

This article is suggesting that Collingwood may be worth 344 million US and if it was a soccer club world wide it would be ranked 14th, in front of teams like Hamburg and Man City. Its a few years old though.
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this is an exercise is pure wankdom :lol: :lol: :lol: :_<> :_<> :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/

depending on the criteria
we have them valued at 39 Million with one set
&
344 Million under another :?>

Penrith valued at 46 million under one set
&
owing 42 Million under another 8-[
its just crutch groping with no clear guidelines :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Penrith Panthers - the most valuable sporting brand in A

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:01 pm
by NRLCrap1
Panthers Entertainment valued at 46 million, Dave! Not the NRL club!

Re: Penrith Panthers - the most valuable sporting brand in A

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:19 pm
by Raiderdave
NRLCrap1 wrote:
Panthers Entertainment valued at 46 million, Dave! Not the NRL club!
ahh
no

Its the panthers group actually incorporating the NRL club

I think more & more NRL clubs wil start to include their leagues clubs revenues as part of their overall turnover
because VFL clubs include gaming monies in theirs

& that's a battle the NRL clubs will win easily
with as an Example ... the Panthers group raking in over 113 Million in 2012

makes Collingdon look like a boy scouts chapter in comparison :(/ :(/ :(/ :lol: :lol: :lol: :_<> :_<> :_<>

Re: Penrith Panthers - the most valuable sporting brand in A

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:09 pm
by piesman2011
Raiderdave wrote:
piesman2011 wrote:
http://www.smh.com.au/AFL/collingwood-m ... 1jrc2.html

This article is suggesting that Collingwood may be worth 344 million US and if it was a soccer club world wide it would be ranked 14th, in front of teams like Hamburg and Man City. Its a few years old though.
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this is an exercise is pure wankdom :lol: :lol: :lol: :_<> :_<> :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/

depending on the criteria
we have them valued at 39 Million with one set
&
344 Million under another :?>

Penrith valued at 46 million under one set
&
owing 42 Million under another 8-[
its just crutch groping with no clear guidelines :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Agree totally.

Re: Penrith Panthers - the most valuable sporting brand in A

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:35 pm
by NRLCrap1
Raiderdave wrote:
NRLCrap1 wrote:
Panthers Entertainment valued at 46 million, Dave! Not the NRL club!
ahh
no

Its the panthers group actually incorporating the NRL club
Of which the NRL club is NOT 100 PERCENT of it you fricking goose!! That was my point!!

The rugby league club is NOT worth 46 million! The whole thing is worth that, and the club makes up only a small part of it's profitable operations!

Live with it!

Re: Penrith Panthers - the most valuable sporting brand in A

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:32 pm
by Raiderdave
NRLCrap1 wrote:
Raiderdave wrote:
NRLCrap1 wrote:
Panthers Entertainment valued at 46 million, Dave! Not the NRL club!
ahh
no

Its the panthers group actually incorporating the NRL club


The rugby league club is NOT worth 46 million! !

ahhhh
who said it was ... you wannabe ********* :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<>

have a careful read of what I posted
then rain uppercutz on yr dribble covered chin dickhead :(/ :(/ :(/ :lol: :lol: :_<> :_<> :_<> :_<>

Re: Penrith Panthers - the most valuable sporting brand in A

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:48 pm
by adamj1300
AFLcrap1 wrote:
You got shot down
You had a shot at NRL clubs about relying on pokies ,without looking in your own back yard.

Made to look the ****** once again,
Go back to playing detective .
Have you found out who RADERDAVE :(/ :(/ :(/ :(/ is?
please tll me how i got shot down
pokies are in all sporting clubs of Australia, unfortunately
they are the only thing that fund the NRL
AFL clubs use them as a small stream of revenue
look at the facts and figures idiot before claiming victory dickhead :)))

Re: Penrith Panthers - the most valuable sporting brand in A

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:57 pm
by AFLcrap1
Gee have you ever been right about anything.
You had a shot at RL clubs deriving income from pokies .
I just pointed out what a hypocrite you are.

As for this lie

pokies are in all sporting clubs of Australia, unfortunately
they are the only thing that fund the NRL


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So tell me brains ,where does the $$$$ from the Tv deal go?.
According to you none of it reaches the clubs.

What about membership $$$.

You are without a doubt the biggest lying ****** on here.
I hope you don't breed.