Talking Footy

Raiderdave wrote:

Swans4ever wrote:

You are an idiot - the AFL don't sell tickets to this event !

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of course they don't
as they wouldn't sell any


meanwhile the RLWC will have sold .. that's .. sold , so people handing over money to watch
over half a million tickets by tournaments end


you couldn't drag people to that abomination you lot call a world cup

Again what an idiot - this so called WC was started in 1956! Has been going longer than Soccer and RU WC if either of them had sold ONLY 400000 for 24 group matches, 6 finals matches and 1 WC final it would be disastrous! You seem to take pride in that fact when it's been advertised for 12 months! The AFL IC has been around since 2005 and now has 23 participating countries - and doesn't that really upset you!

pHyR3 wrote:

The only pros are Aus, NZ and UK? how about all those fantastic islander players like petero civonoceva, marika koroibete, akuila uate, lote tuqiri the list goes on and on. What have AFL got to show in that regard? after a discussion with someone, mighta been you or swans, the best you could name is a couple of AFL players that were born elsewehere and moved here at 10. One of em hadn't played the game in years

I could list all of them updated and you'd have your foot in your mouth! And please do tell me the name of the professional competition that runs on any of the Pacific Islands. Or even a professional club like New Zealand have with the Warriors. Can't can you? So my argument stands - the only pros are Australia, New Zealand and England.

pHyR3 wrote:

It should get a MILLION? what with capacities of 70k that's literally not even physcically possible you dropkick. The maximum i believe is 500,000 which will likely be hit, or close to it by the end of the tournament.

It would if more countries were playing - as they should be if the growth was matching that of the AFL! Want to try again on that score?

pHyR3 wrote:

Haha, what's happening on the field. So obviously changing the point of argument as it suits you. You're more than happy to talk about AFL crowds when it benefits your argument, why don't we talk about the shit house onfield aspect of AFL and how it's a fumblathon with few highlights to show for the SEASON let alone in a game. One or two shots from the sideline in a season, maybe a long goal nothing that compares to Michael Jennings in origin and the GF or Koroibete's blinding speed or Simona's numerous 100m efforts or Nofoaluma's leap into the air the came in at NUMBER ONE on ESPN AMERICA'S plays of the week.

Plays of the week? Big deal! Where were they in plays of the YEAR? You think we don't have highlights? You're biased against AFL so you are in no position to judge AFL highlights. You have no appreciation of the game and you should just up and admit it. I've always said I have no appreciation for rugby league and I have the balls to set out to prove it by showing it's weaknesses where relevant against AFL - or any other point as appropriate (what I said about soccer in England for instance). Blinding speed? Wonder how Koroibete would go against Lewis Jetta or Cyril Rioli? Or Michael Conlon in his prime?

I don't alter any argument. The whole point here in this particulare debate is on field.

Swans4ever wrote:

Raiderdave wrote:

Swans4ever wrote:

You are an idiot - the AFL don't sell tickets to this event !

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of course they don't
as they wouldn't sell any


meanwhile the RLWC will have sold .. that's .. sold , so people handing over money to watch
over half a million tickets by tournaments end


you couldn't drag people to that abomination you lot call a world cup

Again what an idiot - this so called WC was started in 1956! !

the VFL world cup could have been going since .... 1456
& would still only sell 500 tickets to it

for you see
the VFL world starts at the murray .... & ends in Melbourne

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has always been the tiniest sport on the planet
&

will always be :_<> :_<> :_<>

NRLCrap1 wrote:

if the growth was matching that of the AFL!

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the tiddlywinx world cup has got the VFL one covered ...... seriously

matched growth
what fucking growth ? >

in useless amatuers who can afford a plane ticket to Australia on a sight seeing holiday ?

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the VFL world cup is about on par with the synchronised farting world cup :_<> :_<>

NRLCrap1 wrote:

pHyR3 wrote:

The only pros are Aus, NZ and UK? how about all those fantastic islander players like petero civonoceva, marika koroibete, akuila uate, lote tuqiri the list goes on and on. What have AFL got to show in that regard? after a discussion with someone, mighta been you or swans, the best you could name is a couple of AFL players that were born elsewehere and moved here at 10. One of em hadn't played the game in years

I could list all of them updated and you'd have your foot in your mouth! And please do tell me the name of the professional competition that runs on any of the Pacific Islands. Or even a professional club like New Zealand have with the Warriors. Can't can you? So my argument stands - the only pros are Australia, New Zealand and England.

pHyR3 wrote:

It should get a MILLION? what with capacities of 70k that's literally not even physcically possible you dropkick. The maximum i believe is 500,000 which will likely be hit, or close to it by the end of the tournament.

It would if more countries were playing - as they should be if the growth was matching that of the AFL! Want to try again on that score?

pHyR3 wrote:

Haha, what's happening on the field. So obviously changing the point of argument as it suits you. You're more than happy to talk about AFL crowds when it benefits your argument, why don't we talk about the shit house onfield aspect of AFL and how it's a fumblathon with few highlights to show for the SEASON let alone in a game. One or two shots from the sideline in a season, maybe a long goal nothing that compares to Michael Jennings in origin and the GF or Koroibete's blinding speed or Simona's numerous 100m efforts or Nofoaluma's leap into the air the came in at NUMBER ONE on ESPN AMERICA'S plays of the week.

Plays of the week? Big deal! Where were they in plays of the YEAR? You think we don't have highlights? You're biased against AFL so you are in no position to judge AFL highlights. You have no appreciation of the game and you should just up and admit it. I've always said I have no appreciation for rugby league and I have the balls to set out to prove it by showing it's weaknesses where relevant against AFL - or any other point as appropriate (what I said about soccer in England for instance). Blinding speed? Wonder how Koroibete would go against Lewis Jetta or Cyril Rioli? Or Michael Conlon in his prime?

I don't alter any argument. The whole point here in this particulare debate is on field.

Okay. all very wrong but whatever.

1) Does the AFL have any professional comp outside of Australia? no. RL has included NZ in the NRL and has another one in England which includes a french team.

2) HAHAHA dude, don't even try to claim AFL internationally > rl internationally. There are plenty more countries that play the sport, but we don't just give entry to any team that can get together 15 or 20 people in singlets and shorts they actually have to qualify and many teams didnt.

3) Big deal? did AFL make it on the show throughout the entire year? this is rugby league highlights being played on the biggest sporting network in america in primetime and being voted as no. 1. Why would it suddenly beat NFL plays which are probably even better given the explosive nature of the sport and since it's america its obviously gonna be biased. I dont even know if they have plays of the year in any case.

Look i've approached AFL in the past with an open mind and couldnt bare to watch more fumbling after a couple of games. I've watched many highlight packages after arguing with you lot on this forum recently and....a couple of sideline shots which were nice some good marks but nothing that compares to what RL produces in a week, let alone a year.

4) Marika koroibete ran a 10.51 100m AS A SCHOOLBOY. he would smash jetta or whoever cyril rioli is.

OH also, you want a professional club from an island? PNG literally just got accepted into the 2nd grade RL competition in Australia. Which is a professional competition and many of them train with the first grade boys.

pHyR3 wrote:

OH also, you want a professional club from an island? PNG literally just got accepted into the 2nd grade RL competition in Australia. Which is a professional competition and many of them train with the first grade boys.

AFL PNG has a team in the Cairns AFL league which is semi professional - so whats your point?

Semi professional =/= professional.

2nd grade in NRL is a full time committment, i'm sure it's the same in AFL but I'm not even sure if the cairns AFL league is 2nd grade, is it?

Also, PNG has a domestic tournament that's been going for 10-20 years.

pHyR3 wrote:

Semi professional =/= professional.

2nd grade in NRL is a full time committment, i'm sure it's the same in AFL but I'm not even sure if the cairns AFL league is 2nd grade, is it?

Also, PNG has a domestic tournament that's been going for 10-20 years.

Look - the development of PNG AFL has come along way - considering that in the 80's the sport almost went into liquidation due to only RL being televised into PNG. Now it is the 2nd most popular sport in the country and has built good grass roots - so for a comp almost extinguished 30 yrs ago to now have a side in the cairns AFL league is pretty good!

yea it's decent, as long as they are all true PNGans, can't find much info on the team at all...

pHyR3 wrote:

1) Does the AFL have any professional comp outside of Australia? no. RL has included NZ in the NRL and has another one in England which includes a french team.

You would expect one in England because that's where the game was born!! Note that you agree that the ONLY pro presence in NZ is the Warriors! So in fact RL is in a similar position to AFL. Note I said similar, not the same.

pHyR3 wrote:

2) HAHAHA dude, don't even try to claim AFL internationally > rl internationally. There are plenty more countries that play the sport, but we don't just give entry to any team that can get together 15 or 20 people in singlets and shorts they actually have to qualify and many teams didnt.

So where's your second tier? Where's the chance for these countries to play? Are you REALLY serious about growing the game? Obviously not! And don't tell me that any country that has a maximum of twenty players could fill a spot in the AFL IC! Every country knows that you have to have 25 at minimum to cover for any injuries that may occur! More importantly - unlike teams that are AT your WC - ours aren't propped up with unqualified immigrants!!

pHyR3 wrote:

3) Big deal? did AFL make it on the show throughout the entire year? this is rugby league highlights being played on the biggest sporting network in america in primetime and being voted as no. 1. Why would it suddenly beat NFL plays which are probably even better given the explosive nature of the sport and since it's america its obviously gonna be biased. I dont even know if they have plays of the year in any case.

I know they have in the past so it stands to reason that they would still have it now. And no it doesn't feature NFL most of time. I've seen a lot of baseball and basketball highlights make the cut. It's not about hits or big runs. It's about athletic ability and some amazing luck (buzzer beaters in big games almost always make the cut somehow). And good news stories.

pHyR3 wrote:

Look i've approached AFL in the past with an open mind and couldnt bare to watch more fumbling after a couple of games. I've watched many highlight packages after arguing with you lot on this forum recently and....a couple of sideline shots which were nice some good marks but nothing that compares to what RL produces in a week, let alone a year.

You have a closed mind you lying goose. You have no appreciation of true all round athletic ability.

pHyR3 wrote:

4) Marika koroibete ran a 10.51 100m AS A SCHOOLBOY. he would smash jetta or whoever cyril rioli is.

You don't know Cyril Rioli?? There's ignorance right there. The name "Rioli" is synonomous with AFL, right up there with Lewis in NRL. I don't believe you with that time, because if that was true he wouldn't be playing RL. He'd be training for the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow.

You have no idea of any of the clubs playing anywhere and what systems of payment they have in regards players.

Yes dimwit, just because a comp isn't fully pro, doesn't mean it hasn't got any money involved.

For a start, you mention the Warriors from NZ in the NRL as if that is all they have got. Well it's the same thing in France then in regards to the SL and Les Catalans huh?

I mean, there's no way in the world that France could only have 1 SL club yet have many many other clubs below them?

Toulouse Olympique XIII, they have a budget of over 1 million Euro each season and they are a division 3 club compared to Les Catalans. There's also another 9 clubs in with Toulouse who pay their players with the lowest in the comp being around 350,000 Euros with another 10 clubs in the French 2nd division going right down to the 4th tier.

You honestly think the semi pro clubs in England and Wales don't pay their players? For goodness sake, PNG's local comp is semi pro with a salary cap in place too.

ParraEelsNRL wrote:

You have no idea of any of the clubs playing anywhere and what systems of payment they have in regards players.

Yes dimwit, just because a comp isn't fully pro, doesn't mean it hasn't got any money involved.

For a start, you mention the Warriors from NZ in the NRL as if that is all they have got. Well it's the same thing in France then in regards to the SL and Les Catalans huh?

I mean, there's no way in the world that France could only have 1 SL club yet have many many other clubs below them?

Toulouse Olympique XIII, they have a budget of over 1 million Euro each season and they are a division 3 club compared to Les Catalans. There's also another 9 clubs in with Toulouse who pay their players with the lowest in the comp being around 350,000 Euros with another 10 clubs in the French 2nd division going right down to the 4th tier.

You honestly think the semi pro clubs in England and Wales don't pay their players? For goodness sake, PNG's local comp is semi pro with a salary cap in place too.

Which is the same for AFL in the BARFL (English AFL) and AFL PNG where they get regular crowds of 2000 - 6000. But we don't have to prop up those sides to make them competitive - USA doesn't have semi pro players but came 3rd in IC11.

1) So, you think that having a pro team and bucket loads of players coming from NZ in RL is even similar to AFL? With a team that beat australia in the RLWC and a 4 nations comp. Alright bro

2) Where is their chance, in the qualifying stages. And like I've said there are other semipro leagues around like the two in america.

Oh I'm so sorry man, i meant, "any country with twenty FIVE players, some singlets and shorts can compete =D> =D> =D> can't believe i cocked up and said 20. What a massive difference to the legitmacy of your sport internationally.

3) Okay, I have a closed mind man... whatever. another nice place to see highlights from many sports (american dominated) is reddit.com/r/highlightgifs

Lot of cool stuff from soccer, NFL, hockey, and a decent amount from rugby league. nothing from AFL though how sad. not definitive before you chuck a hissy fit, just interesting.

I've had a similar argument with a friend, and by the end he was just like you essentially telling me to piss off.

4) Sorry, I'm wrong. He clocked 1.75 on the 100m at 17 years old. Was very poor and with little professional training/dieting though. Do you want a source?

1) They won with Aussies in their team under your stupid rules. With proper rules that would never have happened.

2) There should be no qualifying stages because your sport is supposed to be expanding!

3) Nice to see you admit to having a closed mind. Good. Now stop commenting on stuff you know nothing about (ie the real effects of AFL across the world on a wider scale in it's early stages of development). And admit that your appreciation of all round athletic ability is stunted badly.

4) Yes I want a source for that 10.51! And it had better be reliable (I know how hard that is - I'm still trying to find the winning time for the Grand Final sprint)