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Can people be sued for liable for comments made on here? I would sue the crapper out of anyone who called me a racist or alluded to me being a member of the kkk

Phelpsy wrote:

Can people be sued for liable for comments made on here? I would sue the crapper out of anyone who called me a racist or alluded to me being a member of the kkk

Alls the while folks can be free to make prejudice, and racist comments that perpetuate the 'gap' between Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal in this country phelpsy?

I'd say your grip on the law vis a vis ethics is feeble my friend.

Get a grip phelps

Swines, your ramble was not worth quoting.

You. my fool were the first to raise you would act differently if a black man like jamal idris came into a place you worked in.

You made the difference look outstanding. YOU made it as though we should worry if there are folks of diff colour walking behind us on a street.

White supremacy is the biggest fallacy which un'educated' drones brought up in ignorant bubbles try to make us believe. Sorry but we gotta realise whether we are walking the kkk racist path, or whether we're walking an open unprejudiced path.

Maybe so, but if someone called me racist or even alluded to it... It would sue them. Of course truth is a defence I believe. Whether I am right or not a guess a magestrate would decide

King-Eliagh wrote:

Swines, your ramble was not worth quoting.

You. my fool were the first to raise you would act differently if a black man like jamal idris came into a place you worked in.

You made the difference look outstanding. YOU made it as though we should worry if there are folks of diff colour walking behind us on a street.

White supremacy is the biggest fallacy which un'educated' drones brought up in ignorant bubbles try to make us believe. Sorry but we gotta realise whether we are walking the kkk racist path, or whether we're walking an open unprejudiced path.

Answer the question have you ever meet an Aboriginal - no use ranting and trying to deflect - you make alot of grand statements and interpretations of others yet you never answer a single question - I did not say I walk across the road when I see an Aboriginal - be pretty hard for me to do my job if that was the case, I did not say all Aboriginals have bad intentions - you said that - you can put whatever label you like on things - that won't change the fact that I almost got jumped by 4 Aboriginals, race has nothing to do with that fact. Maybe if you come out of your self imposed superiority bubble and stop convincing yourself of your own greatness, you will stop placing your own misguided interpretation on things. As I said, I have worked with Aboriginals, played sport with them and represented them. I have a very good understanding of their issues and cultural background. You on the other hand clearly do not based on your wild accusations and silence! I have been around long enough to know when somethings going to happen - you clearly have been breast feed most of your life and protected by mummy, you have obviously never seen an angry man or been in a violent situation! Like I said before self preservation is not being racist - defining a group of people by one act is- which I have not! I used that as an example of an incident which I changed my behaviour not out of racism but of self preservation, if you can't understand the difference then I can't help you as you will have to experience things for yourself. Your attitude does more harm than good to the Aboriginal community - they want to be treated as others are treated not placed on a pedestal, those that do wrong are expected to be punished and those that achieve are expected to be praised. Making fanciful statements alianates their community and is racism in a different form - you are making them something they are not - you are showing pitty when what they want is respect. Anyway enough said you have turned the thread into something horrible.

swine wrote:

As for Jamar Idris be honest if you were the shop keeper what would you do?

I answered this question. What would you do?

that won't change the fact that I almost got jumped by 4 Aboriginals, race has nothing to do with that fact

Then why do you bring race into it? Why do you tell us all about your so called, perceived 'near miss' and that it was Aboriginals who were following you?

The rest of your talk is all trumped up whinging because I've called you out on some fairly prejudiced and misguided ignorant statements. You should learn from this swines. Just take a deep breath, open your mind, and realise your comments were poorly put...unless that is, if you were a shopkeeper you would treat a young jamal idris differently just because of what he looks like and his race?

King-Eliagh wrote:

swine wrote:

As for Jamar Idris be honest if you were the shop keeper what would you do?

I answered this question. What would you do?

that won't change the fact that I almost got jumped by 4 Aboriginals, race has nothing to do with that fact

Then why do you bring race into it? Why do you tell us all about your so called, perceived 'near miss' and that it was Aboriginals who were following you?

The rest of your talk is all trumped up whinging because I've called you out on some fairly prejudiced and misguided ignorant statements. You should learn from this swines. Just take a deep breath, open your mind, and realise your comments were poorly put...unless that is, if you were a shopkeeper you would treat a young jamal idris differently just because of what he looks like and his race?

In the article he talks about being kicked out of a shop in Forster when joung - a place that has a very dispproportionate crime rate for young Aboriginal's again that shop keeper could have been robbed many times we don't get their side of things. I was merely trying to say that there are often reasons for a shop keepers behaviour - one might be self preservation - thats not being racist just the same as any other high crime area where a predominate culture is over represented. I didn't bring race into it - you specifically targeted the AFL refering to aboriginals - when the AFL has many proceedures and spends alot of money on changing attitudes and education. Your thread is a peice designed to attack the AFL without reference to any of these points! You coninually try and climb up some moral high ground and look down at the rest of us, yet you have no 1st hand knowledge of the subject matter your talking about! There are some deep seated problems with the aboriginal community ignoring those problems and paying lip service to these people is worse than stating an incident as fact (which it is). Aborigines are by far over represented in the criminal justice system - I know Adam Goodes puts a lot of time and effort into trying to change this fact - something you didn't even mention. I don't know what Idris does to change this fact but pointing fingers at shop keepers is not the answer ! As for my whinging good try at deflection again I asked what should a person do if there in a situation that could turn sour - again that is not being racist. You are the worse type of racist - the type that understands little of the situation yet is willing to condem anyone who you percieve not to be PC! You are not giving these people the credit where it deserves or the criticism when warranted - you are treating them different from the rest of society - that by definition is racism!

Jamal is within his rights to point out some dipshit shopkeeper who kicks people out based on the colour of their skin. You cant go kicking people out of your shop because of some perceived self preservation thing i.e. 'i thought he might try and rob me because other Aboriginal people did'. Sorry swines this argument simply dont cut the mustard, its a prejudiced action and it is wrong.

Swines you and the shopkeeper narrowly view this as a race thing. This is why you defend what the shopkeeper did, because as you argue, there may be a disproportionate crime rate. You and the shopkeeper appear to view this as part of an "Aboriginal problem". Sorry to burst your ignorant bubble but there's thousands of white folk living in poverty who also have high crime rates. This isnt a "white problem" is it? Should our shopkeepers in poor areas of sydney start throwing out white folk willie nillie?

Look a little deeper into things swines. You're constantly making it about race and then saying it's not about race, contradicting yourself as you go. I on the other hand have just given you a more objective less prejudice way to view things like crime rates in the future. I suggest you take this view, rather than perpetuate racist stereotypes about, and fear of Australias Aboriginal people.

King-Eliagh wrote:

Jamal is within his rights to point out some dipshit shopkeeper who kicks people out based on the colour of their skin. You cant go kicking people out of your shop because of some perceived self preservation thing i.e. 'i thought he might try and rob me because other Aboriginal people did'. Sorry swines this argument simply dont cut the mustard, its a prejudiced action and it is wrong.

Swines you and the shopkeeper narrowly view this as a race thing. This is why you defend what the shopkeeper did, because as you argue, there may be a disproportionate crime rate. You and the shopkeeper appear to view this as part of an "Aboriginal problem". Sorry to burst your ignorant bubble but there's thousands of white folk living in poverty who also have high crime rates. This isnt a "white problem" is it? Should our shopkeepers in poor areas of sydney start throwing out white folk willie nillie?

Look a little deeper into things swines. You're constantly making it about race and then saying it's not about race, contradicting yourself as you go. I on the other hand have just given you a more objective less prejudice way to view things like crime rates in the future. I suggest you take this view, rather than perpetuate racist stereotypes about, and fear of Australias Aboriginal people.

You are a tool - I have said all that needs to be said. Live in your self obsessed world - you are a wanker!

Hey swines dont be so rude. To me its clear the shopkeeper made the wrong move. You dont reconcile with an Aboriginal community by kicking Aboriginal people out of your shop simply because there is a disproportionate crime rate. Your argument is woeful and offensive and I ask you take it back.

The AFL on the other hand yes does have some decent policies in place. However why no attention was paid to Goodes' comments defies me...? Putting policies in place is one thing, commitment to them and to what they are there for is another. For mine the AFL needed to show initiative and respond to Goodes' comments, otherwise the policies are token ones.

[quote="King-Eliagh"]Hey swines dont be so rude. To me its clear the shopkeeper made the wrong move. You dont reconcile with an Aboriginal community by kicking Aboriginal people out of your shop simply because there is a disproportionate crime rate. Your argument is woeful and offensive and I ask you take it back.

The AFL on the other hand yes does have some decent policies in place. However why no attention was paid to Goodes' comments defies me...? Putting policies in place is one thing, commitment to them and to what they are there for is another. quote]


exactly E

the VFL... kings of the gimmicky themed round or game
kings of the platitude
the gesture without conviction

Swinesforever is an example of the VFL only going through motions on this important issue & in reality having as large a group of overtly ... & in some cases .. covertly racist players n fans ... as its ever had
its a near weekly occurance throughout the VFL world at all levels ( as tiny as that world is ) of disgraceful racism from all involved in this game


Rugby League was the first sport in this country to appoint an indigenous person .. as captain of a national team
the Late Great Arthur Beetson given this honour in 1973
just 6 years after Aboriginals were even recognised in our nations constitution

& we have had many more follow in his foot prints to captain their state ..... & nation
this is the ultimate accolade
the ultimate show that on the field of play here are NO colours

it is a lesson the Victorian game is yet to learn

Raiderdave wrote:

exactly E

the VFL... kings of the gimmicky themed round or game
kings of the platitude
the gesture without conviction

Swinesforever is an example of the VFL only going through motions on this important issue & in reality having as large a group of overtly ... & in some cases .. covertly racist players n fans ... as its ever had
its a near weekly occurance throughout the VFL world at all levels ( as tiny as that world is ) of disgraceful racism from all involved in this game


Rugby League was the first sport in this country to appoint an indigenous person .. as captain of a national team
the Late Great Arthur Beetson given this honour in 1973
just 6 years after Aboriginals were even recognised in our nations constitution

& we have had many more follow in his foot prints to captain their state ..... & nation
this is the ultimate accolade
the ultimate show that on the field of play here are NO colours

it is a lesson the Victorian game is yet to learn

Raiderdave wrote:

King-Eliagh wrote:

Hey swines dont be so rude. To me its clear the shopkeeper made the wrong move. You dont reconcile with an Aboriginal community by kicking Aboriginal people out of your shop simply because there is a disproportionate crime rate. Your argument is woeful and offensive and I ask you take it back.

The AFL on the other hand yes does have some decent policies in place. However why no attention was paid to Goodes' comments defies me...? Putting policies in place is one thing, commitment to them and to what they are there for is another. quote]


exactly E

the VFL... kings of the gimmicky themed round or game
kings of the platitude
the gesture without conviction

Swinesforever is an example of the VFL only going through motions on this important issue & in reality having as large a group of overtly ... & in some cases .. covertly racist players n fans ... as its ever had
its a near weekly occurance throughout the VFL world at all levels ( as tiny as that world is ) of disgraceful racism from all involved in this game


Rugby League was the first sport in this country to appoint an indigenous person .. as captain of a national team
the Late Great Arthur Beetson given this honour in 1973
just 6 years after Aboriginals were even recognised in our nations constitution

& we have had many more follow in his foot prints to captain their state ..... & nation
this is the ultimate accolade
the ultimate show that on the field of play here are NO colours

it is a lesson the Victorian game is yet to learn

You are a wanker - did you even read what was written - I said before you start making accusations how about we hear the shop keppers side - one side is just that both sides of the story would tell us a lot more - what is racist about that? I like to know all the facts (unlike you) before I arbitrarily criticis someone. As for the progressive NRL - ever heard of Polly Farmer 1st Aboriginal Captain in the VFL in the 60's and 1st Aboriginal to coach the WA state side bit ahead of league there. Anyway you have no involvement with AFL - me I coach and have coached koori kids and have great respect for their culture and traditions. Unlike you and Queen-Eliagh I don't say things to belittle nor do I make stuff up - just because someone says something doesn't mean its so. As for the rest of your dribble the AFL puts its money where its mouth is koori's in AFL has risen from 5% in the 90's to now around 11% http://www.smh.com.au/news/lhqnews/broy ... 98304.html (thats about 90 players) The NRL however is just paying lip service as numbers of koori's in the NRL has fallen from 20% in the 1990's to 11% now. I suppose the NRL just doesnt value them anymore! http://www.smh.com.au/news/lhqnews/broy ... 98304.html (thats about 44 players) Wherese there is now 36% of players of a polynesian background - so before you get on you soap box ask yourself why is the NRL turning its back on young koori kids?

Ah ah ah :shame: I'm sorry swine but you showed ur hand when you responded to my empathising with jamal and his statement re racist shopkeeper kicking him outta the store for nothing with "if he walked in ur shop what would you do?" You automatically took the shopkeepers side and later referred to crime rates as some sort of excuse for the racist reaction of the shopkeeper. Your automatic response highlights your persuasion, whether you've worked with aboriginal people or not.

You sir are the prize wanker and I've shown you up good. Now is your queue to get angry with me again for doing so.

Ps I've coached marngrook and union in central aus with all aboriginal teams was way cool, they taught me lots.

King-Eliagh wrote:

Ah ah ah :shame: I'm sorry swine but you showed ur hand when you responded to my empathising with jamal and his statement re racist shopkeeper kicking him outta the store for nothing with "if he walked in ur shop what would you do?" You automatically took the shopkeepers side and later referred to crime rates as some sort of excuse for the racist reaction of the shopkeeper. Your automatic response highlights your persuasion, whether you've worked with aboriginal people or not.

You sir are the prize wanker and I've shown you up good. Now is your queue to get angry with me again for doing so.

Ps I've coached marngrook and union in central aus with all aboriginal teams was way cool, they taught me lots.

No Queenie No - no amount of deflection will change the fact that you took whatever Jamal said as fact - my comment was directed at looking at both sides, which you won't. Again we don't know what is in the shop keepers mind - to turn that to an act of racisim is wrong - we don't know if he mistook him for someone else etc etc. The point was not racist but simply don't judge too quickly - again you use this as an opportunity to infer and attack yet didnt ask more questions if you had trouble understanding the point - yet another example of ignoring content over personal agendas! As for coaching Koori kids they are spunges when it comes to football very good to coach!